Is this what it has come too?

**Garu**

ThHidden01 wrote:

What are your thoughts on this, and please think of Raz here, not only Roleplay.

TH

To be fair, I have to look at this objectively.

The event was crafted for EPN. As a member of EPN, he was invited to participate rather than just showing up like the other orgs who stumbled upon it. His participation in the event and eligibility for a prize are solely based on his organizational membership.

By leaving EPN he removes himself from the pool of players applicable for the event reward. Even if doing so afterwards because there's no grandfathering for prizes. If at the time of presentation you are suddenly a different organization, you are no longer applicable. This is similar to other contests where a runner-up receives the prize should the winner loose eligibility to retain the reward.

Ultimately, Rarebit reserves the right to issue rewards at his own discretion. Would it bother me if this happened to me? Maybe but not for too long, if at all. I participate in the events for the story progression. The prizes are incidental.

The fact that Raz hasn't launched a campaign of complaints on DN1 leads me to believe he feels as I do.

**LtCmdr_Tsusai**

Garu wrote:

ThHidden01 wrote:
What are your thoughts on this, and please think of Raz here, not only Roleplay.

TH

To be fair, I have to look at this objectively.
The event was crafted for EPN. As a member of EPN, he was invited to participate rather than just showing up like the other orgs who stumbled upon it. His participation in the event and eligibility for a prize are solely based on his organizational membership.
By leaving EPN he removes himself from the pool of players applicable for the event reward. Even if doing so afterwards because there's no grandfathering for prizes. If at the time of presentation you are suddenly a different organization, you are no longer applicable. This is similar to other contests where a runner-up receives the prize should the winner loose eligibility to retain the reward.
Ultimately, Rarebit reserves the right to issue rewards at his own discretion. Would it bother me if this happened to me? Maybe but not for too long, if at all. I participate in the events for the story progression. The prizes are incidental.
The fact that Raz hasn't launched a campaign of complaints on DN1 leads me to believe he feels as I do.

Dunno...I mean...its not like he flipped to Machines, Merovingians, or Cyphs...if he flipped orgs at all. And being rewarded even when you aren't in that organization is possible. Asamodai and I got rewards from Niobe when she was at Oroborus (I can never spell it), and we are both EPN.

Second. He was still EPN at the time of this, and left Pluribus Neo after the debreif. Leaving an EPN faction does not mean you leave EPN, regardless at what anyone may think. I'm a prime example. I'm currently faction-less, but I am highly involved with the organization.

Now...if Raz said he was planning to go to the Dragoons, its not final till he has "The Dragoon Brotherhood" above his head. Until then he's still an EPN crusader in my eyes.

**Garu**

LtCmdr_Tsusai wrote:

Dunno...I mean...its not like he flipped to Machines, Merovingians, or Cyphs...if he flipped orgs at all. And being rewarded even when you aren't in that organization is possible. Asamodai and I got rewards from Niobe when she was at Oroborus (I can never spell it), and we are both EPN.

Second. He was still EPN at the time of this, and left Pluribus Neo after the debreif. Leaving an EPN faction does not mean you leave EPN, regardless at what anyone may think. I'm a prime example. I'm currently faction-less, but I am highly involved with the organization.

Now...if Raz said he was planning to go to the Dragoons, its not final till he has "The Dragoon Brotherhood" above his head. Until then he's still an EPN crusader in my eyes.

True but despite the similarities of the splinter orgs and their parent org, they are still considered different orgs. He didn't stray far but he still left the org that the prize was intended for.

I guess it all comes down to timing. Because he left EPN prior to receiving the item, he nullified his victory. Personally, I would have waited before I left but surely he had no idea this would happen.

**imax**

I hadnt read this whole thread becasue im lazy. But...

This is what happens if your a non loyal org hopping S0B. I say *big cheer* to rarebit for not giving him the reward, Ghostpimp/wherio got an FM 1500 and shortly after switched to merv. You think that doesnt *CENSORED* off machinists?

I know Loyalty counts for as much as about an ounce of dirt in this game, but have some pride in what your doing and quit being so dependant on rewards or special items. I'd rather be respected for being a true machinst (or any other org) than get a perpetual anything.

RazuTheVampiric2

Im close to saying something ill regret .. leave it pls

TheShickle

At an Unlimit LE, I got the finishing kill on 1-2 Unlimits. Afterwars Agent Pace congradulated everyone, and I never recieved any kind of award.

I don't think that awards are given all the time.

The Leo

I remember one time (actually the last time I was on a story related LE) we were hunting for the Morpheus sim, and had code thingys and had to make calculations to get to the area. I started immediately and gave at least half the information that was needed, then a guy came and picked of where I ended (3 am I am sleepy and making too much math at that time is not really easy) and he told them the final answer. Just because it was final, he got a perp, while I did all the messy work. I never complained nor will I now, but I will note that 2 of the liasons hinted in area chat SEVERAL times I did most of the work ( thanks Novalux ). I am just posting this to show that the ways awards are given are biased, and not always accurate. This event was a long time ago and ever since I haven't been able to be in LE and stopped believing in the award system. I still have to say it was a good event and was definitely worth my time, which is why I never complained about this to any of the liasons or Rarebit.

**PS10N**

People who load a support role during a combat event will never get a reward for the total-damage-inflicted/top-damage-inflicted/killing-blow categories, yet those who do get the awards probably couldn't have done it without the buffs/heals/res that the support players gave them. When this was brought up, the next week Rarebit held an event where the goal was to get Niobe to a Hardline. She was killed and was ressed twice. Two players got thanks, though it's unsure if they got any reward item. The relevant point here is, one of those two didn't actually res her: one did and the other res was from someone else who got no credit or reward at all. When this was brought up, the next update patch included a new feature which shows clearly who used the res. (The devs do listen to our reasonable concerns!) Other goals, such as retrieving data or being the first to get somewhere or find someone, make things more fair because then it's not always about loading as a tank. It's not a perfect system; as Leo points out, someone can do all the leg work and someone else get the reward. The point here is, as players we never know what prerequisite has to be met to earn the reward. Some events had no rewards at all, even though they were 100% combat based. The EPN event earlier this week was one of those where a reward might have been available for a number of accomplishments. Ultimately, a Liason doesn't have the real authority to say who is getting a reward, as the rewards are sent out by Rarebit or another Dev. In most cases, these are based on input from the Liaison, who should be very careful in telling the participating players anything that sounds definitive or like a promise. So in this case, the oversight was when the Liason told someone that he was getting a reward. Problems like this in the future can be completely avoided by Liaisons simply not over-stepping their authority. Instead of saying "You're getting a reward for that," he could have said "I will recommend to our superiors that you get a reward for that." Then, if ANYTHING comes up (org-hopping, mistaken identity, mistake about which action is getting a reward, etc.) where the player doesn't get the reward, it does not come across as a broken promise. All that being said, it's only a "for show" item in a game! There will be plenty of opportunities in the future to "get yours."
So even if you were promised something and didn't get it, be a good sport and congratulate the winner and resolve to keep doing your best to get yours the next time the opportunity arises.

**Croesis**

Absatively!

Dupz

I want a sword.

**CheckSum**

Twice now the subject of this discussion has requested that it stop.

Locked.