Nuking of 01

**MetaLogic**

In the Animatrix, mankind nuked 01 several time to try to get rid of the machines. The narrator said that the machines weren't affected because they weren't as frail as the humans. I mean I can understand that, I can buy that. However, machines are electrical devices, and any nuclear blast will have an EMP explosion. How did the machines survive the EMP blast? I know one theory is that they have optical wiring which isn't affected by an EMP blast, but if that's true, then how come they didn't put them in the squiggy?

**Cihesh** · 07/05/2007 19:37:14

You know ive always wondered that.

And in addition i can understand the zero effect of the radiation on the machines, but a nuclear explosion also generates intense heat which would by all means melt any toasters within the initial radius i would of expected.

Zudrag

I think I've seen a thread like this pop up at least twice before. I believe either

1) The writers didn't know that their was an elecromagnetic pulse that comes with the detonation of an atmoic warhead

Or

2) Despite the nuclear assaults, the machines still managed to rebuild their city quickly enough to still be a threat.

I'm sure they had structures that were heavily shielded from EMP type attacks, it would make sense to have that on large structures.

**Vaico**

Zudrag wrote:

I think I've seen a thread like this pop up at least twice before. I believe either

1) The writers didn't know that their was an elecromagnetic pulse that comes with the detonation of an atmoic warhead

Or

2) Despite the nuclear assaults, the machines still managed to rebuild their city quickly enough to still be a threat.

I'm sure they had structures that were heavily shielded from EMP type attacks, it would make sense to have that on large structures.

It's also possible that many were sheltered from the immediate blast and the comment of them not being as frail as human referred to them surviving the after effects of the bombs.

**GoDGiVeR**

Electronic devices do not survive the continious radiation of a nuke, not speaking of the EMP. Even optic-eletronic can get destroyed by the radiation.
Also, if I had to eradicate a Machine town, I'd use an E-Bomb, not an A- or H-bomb. Although it's got the least explosive power, the power of the EMP is many times as great as that of a H-bomb.

Skill · 07/15/2007 11:52:45

Yeah.. I thought so too..

My theory is that it's a bad lie. We never nuked em.

**Signs**

Any Machines that escaped the bomb radius would be okay, wouldn't they?

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Electronic devices do not survive the continious radiation of a nuke, not speaking of the EMP. Even optic-eletronic can get destroyed by the radiation.
Also, if I had to eradicate a Machine town, I'd use an E-Bomb, not an A- or H-bomb. Although it's got the least explosive power, the power of the EMP is many times as great as that of a H-bomb.

Why would radiation effect electronic devices ? Doesn't radiation only effect organic cells ?

**GoDGiVeR**

898989 wrote:

GoDGiVeR wrote:
Electronic devices do not survive the continious radiation of a nuke, not speaking of the EMP. Even optic-eletronic can get destroyed by the radiation.
Also, if I had to eradicate a Machine town, I'd use an E-Bomb, not an A- or H-bomb. Although it's got the least explosive power, the power of the EMP is many times as great as that of a H-bomb.

Why would radiation effect electronic devices ? Doesn't radiation only effect organic cells ?

Intense radiation grills them SMILEY

So I guess, the initial radiation would have been a problem o_O

GoDGiVeR wrote:

898989 wrote:
GoDGiVeR wrote:
Electronic devices do not survive the continious radiation of a nuke, not speaking of the EMP. Even optic-eletronic can get destroyed by the radiation.
Also, if I had to eradicate a Machine town, I'd use an E-Bomb, not an A- or H-bomb. Although it's got the least explosive power, the power of the EMP is many times as great as that of a H-bomb.

Why would radiation effect electronic devices ? Doesn't radiation only effect organic cells ?

Intense radiation grills them
So I guess, the initial radiation would have been a problem o_O

Radiation does not cause heat from what I've herd Oo .... The heat from the atomic bomb, comes from the energy that is released from the splitting/fusion of the atoms, and THAT would grill the machines... But I don't think that the radiation that "flies around" in the area after the explosion exposes any heat.

**GoDGiVeR**

898989 wrote:

GoDGiVeR wrote:
898989 wrote:
GoDGiVeR wrote:
Electronic devices do not survive the continious radiation of a nuke, not speaking of the EMP. Even optic-eletronic can get destroyed by the radiation.
Also, if I had to eradicate a Machine town, I'd use an E-Bomb, not an A- or H-bomb. Although it's got the least explosive power, the power of the EMP is many times as great as that of a H-bomb.

Why would radiation effect electronic devices ? Doesn't radiation only effect organic cells ?

Intense radiation grills them
So I guess, the initial radiation would have been a problem o_O

Radiation does not cause heat from what I've herd Oo .... The heat from the atomic bomb, comes from the energy that is released from the splitting/fusion of the atoms, and THAT would grill the machines... But I don't think that the radiation that "flies around" in the area after the explosion exposes any heat.

Dunno how to explain. Haven't had physics in years ...

**Pylat**

Yes, the EMP would own the machines, and so would the explosion. But the irradiation of the area also kills a lot of people, not machines. After the Hiroshima attacks A LOT of people died of internal bleeding cause the lining of their stomach was destroyed by the radiation (Radiation affects cells that multiply quickly the worst, hence why hair and teeth and skin gets all sorts of F*cked up) and well, their stomach acid ate away at the wall and they died. The radiation wasn't bad enough to burn people to death (I don't think radiation actually causes intense heat, it's fission and fusion reactions that do, radiation is the byproduct and catalyst of such reactions, and after detonating a nuclear device I doubt you could find much Uranium/Plutonium around for any significant reaction to occur), hence it wouldn't even be close to bad enough to destroy machines.

Farther out from the Epicenter of a nuclear explosion a lot of the people on the outskirts die a few weeks later from radiation poisoning, another thing machines wouldn't really be worried about. And yes while there is radiation flying about, Beta radiation (Electrons, which could affect circuits) doesn't get too far, heck it can't make it through a thin sheet of metal.

So yes, big explosion and EMP would kill machines, but resulting irradiation of area (Which accounts for A LOT of lives) does not.

They could also be referring to infrastructure. After a city gets nuked you probly have a couple of million survivors who need to be relocated, fed, clothed, sheltered and attended to medically. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how much of a task that would be, especially with all the people dying of radiation poisoning and the subsequent irradiation of the area making rescue attempts even worse.
Machines wouldn't have as many of those considerations. It's far easier to fix a robot than a person, and they wouldn't require as much aid as people nor would they be hampered by said irradiation of area.

I think the two above points are the main things that made us fragile compared to the machines.

**Denary**

Radiation is just waves of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum, or particle Radiation

Radiation that produces heat is called Microwaves, which is obviously what is used in a Microwave SMILEY

due to the metal structures Microwaves would easily heat the surrounding area but that all depends on how resistant the Machines are to the effects of heat.

Ionizing Radiation like X-rays, Ultraviolet and Gamma Rays would definetally not have an effect on the Machines due to the fact that they alter the form of cells which break the bonds of the DNA causing Genetic diseases and Cancer in most cases.

Alpha Particles are a group of 2 Protons and 2 Neutrons, it's a large clump of atoms that would be unable to penetrate the metal shell. Beta particles is just a single electron and would also be unable to penetrate the Shell. Neutron Radiation though is a different matter, Long term bombardment with Neutron Radiation would cause dislocations in materials and make the Machine structures become brittle.

In the Case of an EMP I'm sure that the Machines would have developed something similar to a Faraday Cage which is simply an enclosure formed by conducting material, or by a mesh of such material. Such an enclosure blocks out external static electrical fields.

**GypsyJuggler**

898989 wrote:

Radiation does not cause heat from what I've herd Oo .... The heat from the atomic bomb, comes from the energy that is released from the splitting/fusion of the atoms, and THAT would grill the machines... But I don't think that the radiation that "flies around" in the area after the explosion exposes any heat.

Radiation. Heat that 'flies around' is called radiation.

GypsyJuggler wrote:

898989 wrote:
Radiation does not cause heat from what I've herd Oo .... The heat from the atomic bomb, comes from the energy that is released from the splitting/fusion of the atoms, and THAT would grill the machines... But I don't think that the radiation that "flies around" in the area after the explosion exposes any heat.
Radiation. Heat that 'flies around' is called radiation.

eer... thank you for that but I only wanted to explain to GG that the radiation after the explosion would not have "grilled" the machines, but the HEAT that gets released from the fusion or splitting of the atoms would have.