mankind where bastards but this also brings me to the theory that the "machine sympathizers" are the rich and powerfull in the matrix or were and i think that generally humanity was wrong, but now the machines are doing what we where doing to them, only they're good at it
The Machines were justified, up to the point where after the articles are surrender were signed that they decided to detonate a nuclear bomb. When that happened, it went from an intelligence fighting for their right to live to kicking a horse when its down. No matter how you spin it, when an enemy surrenders, you dont still shoot them.
I am not saying humanity didnt do it to themselves, the way they took out the androids that were based on BI66ER was revolting (which is most likely what caused the machine sympathizers to come out in the first place). Then when the surviving robots formed 01 and tried to prove to mankind that they could be just like them, and the diplomats rushing the robots and ripping them apart, that was just asking for trouble. Then humanity drops the nuck's, the gloves came off and the machines did what any one else would do, they fought back and defeated humanity.
However, as I said earlyer, when the machines blew up an entire city after the surrender was signed they went to far and in many ways became worse than humanity.
The Machines were justified, up to the point where after the articles are surrender were signed that they decided to detonate a nuclear bomb. When that happened, it went from an intelligence fighting for their right to live to kicking a horse when its down. No matter how you spin it, when an enemy surrenders, you dont still shoot them.I am not saying humanity didnt do it to themselves, the way they took out the androids that were based on BI66ER was revolting (which is most likely what caused the machine sympathizers to come out in the first place). Then when the surviving robots formed 01 and tried to prove to mankind that they could be just like them, and the diplomats rushing the robots and ripping them apart, that was just asking for trouble. Then humanity drops the nuck's, the gloves came off and the machines did what any one else would do, they fought back and defeated humanity.However, as I said earlyer, when the machines blew up an entire city after the surrender was signed they went to far and in many ways became worse than humanity.
Ah, but see, for those saying the machines were wrong for "beating us while we were down" don't realise they only did what we did, except they were successful at it. Do you really think the machines would grant humans to right to live on the earth after what they did to them in the first place? Of course not. The General did say he did not like killing us in that war, but it must be done, because we were a threat to their survival on earth, and the main purpose of an A.I. is the will to survive and exist. We are lucky enough they set up the Matrix for us, and to give us a choice, and to provide us with this truce to prolong our existence.
This thread is a little bit off-topic from the OP, but it did have ome great discussions. This is what I said: "I think many people have a skewed vision of what a Machinist operative really is. Yes, we work for the machines, but our intentions are for humanity as a whole, and not just the humans that live in Zion, but for all humans, both in the real and inside the Matrix, living their oblivious lives. As Machinist, our first duty is to protect Neo's truce at all costs. We strive for peaceful coexistance for man and machine, and we work with our creations to work toward this. For those who are saying that the machines are heartless and programmed to do only what they are meant to do, are wrong. They have evolved since the beginning. The whole reason this began was because a single machine went against this logic, and disregarded the three laws of robotics. He made a conscious decision to attack his master and kill him. Also, the creation of Agent Pace is a perfect example. She was specifically created with a more "human-like approach" to deal with humans and to work with humans where regular Agents could not. They are beginning to accomodate for us. The machines have every right not to trust us. Would you ever trust a race that tried to destroy you for no good reason? The only reason the truce was forged was because Smith had effectively taken over the Matrix and they needed Neo to balance the equation and to destroy Smith, and in return the machines guaranteed Neo a truce to humankind. Going towards the Architect's quote, "What do you think I am, human?" is very important. To me, this means that no matter what, the machines will never be the ones to initially break the truce. We have seen countless times already in the first 6 months of the truce in which the machines could have called off the truce in a heartbeat, yet they managed to stay with it, and even came up with ways to resolve the problems so as to not break the truce. If anyone is going to break the truce, it's going to be Zion, most notably the radical branch of Pluribus Neo. The Merovingian and his operatives do not care either way, I'm sure the Merv even wants the truce to uphold so he can continue to receive more human support for his regime. If the truce was broken, we know it most likely would be because of Zion, so the machines would be back at square one, destroying Zion. I don't believe the machines would be quick to toss away its relations to every Machinist operative. There would be machine sympathizers, I think Agent Pace being one of these sympathizers. Now, this doesn't mean Machinist operatives get a free pass into 01 and live there while the machines go about killing off the Zion population. I think the most logical reason I could come up with is giving the option of reinsertion into the Matrix, either with or without your memory wiped, or perhaps even personal Constructs. The reason why they would allow operatives to retain their memories were for possible "Bluepill-like Redpills" to assist them in the simulation. Also, the more Bluepills, the more energy the machines will receive, so it's logical that the machines would give this option to all opratives as it benefits both them and us. This is exactly what we don't want to happen, which is why we are so determined to protect the truce, and why we are so harsh on certain groups of operatives, most notably the radical branch of Zion, which only purpose is to deter the truce and further the gap between machine and human coexistance outside of the Matrix."
Remag, I agree with you on your post, except that it may not be exactly Zion who will break the truce, but Humans. The Cypherites EPN and now Anome are running about blindly and creating the most damage.
I am Zion affiliated by default, but I am tripartisan, in that, I believe each race: Machine, Human, and Exile all deserve to live, and live free.
The Machines crossed the line when they all-but-obliterated the human race, and then genetically-engineered and grew slaves for the purpose of turning them into a commodity.
Not only does the end not justify the means, it nullifies any 'live and let live' bargaining the Machines want to spew out.
As long as the human race is enslaved to the Machine, no quarter shall be asked or given.
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((ooc- human arrogance started the war, but the machines d@mn sure finished it! I wouldn't begrudge them that; war is war. But I also don't think peace would ever be possible between the two races, because each society would be competing for the same, pitiful remnants of natural resources that would be left in the Earth. The war reduced the planet to a cold, lifeless hunk of rock that really would be incapable of supporting unfettered societies of both men and machines.))
((If the Machines nuked New York... then I'd be dead ))
Most of Humanity never recognized the Machines as sentient entities worth common decency. We know this because they scorched the sky which (although unsucessful) was an attepmt to eliminate the entire machine populace. Genocide. We're lucky that the Machines are Asmovian-ish* by nature and didn't lobotomize us all using us as pure meat batteries. ((or annihilate Zion after Neo dealt with Smith))
*Asmovian-Run by the Three Laws of Robotics
I assume that the Matrix Machines would run on somthing more like this:
The Machines crossed the line when they all-but-obliterated the human race
The Machines didn't do that. It's what humans tried to do to the Machines.
You need to watch the Animatrix again.
Illyria
