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 12/18/2005 20:40:35
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here is what i have come up with to be what i think seraph's possible history.
Seraph used to be an agent in the 1st matrix (an angel) but when the
arcitect saw that the first matrix would fail all the obsolete agents
would have to be deleted....so Seraph ran to the merovingian to beg to
be saved, the merovingian accepted this offer and took seraph as one of
his lackey's...during his time with the merovingian seraph was
constanly hunted by upgraded agents such as smith as he says in the 3rd
movie "i remember chasing you like chasing a ghost" after being with
the merovingian for a while seraph was found by the oracle and saved
seraph from the merovingian....because seraph goes by the rules "i
protect that which matters most"
in the begging he thought the matrix was what mattered most then he
thought the merovingian was what mattered most and now he had come to
realize that the Oracle is what matters most. i also beleive seraph
used to be a angel (obsolete agent) by how other lackeys of the
merovingian call him "wingless" implying he lost his wings....
and that is what i think seraphs history was like...
pleese add your thoughts
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 12/18/2005 23:28:06
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Mainframe Invader
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Interesting idea. Never thought a great deal about Seraph's past since info on him is hard to come by.
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 12/19/2005 00:25:18
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Wow, that's exactly what I thought when I heard the Exlie say "Holly crap it's wingless" or something along those lines shortly after doing a box 4.
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 12/19/2005 01:36:59
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This is my theory that I posted on the old boards and on my website in April:
http://revenant.nfshost.com/comms/viewtopic.php?t=39
Background Seraphim are Angels. Seraphim are said to be fiery. The root of Seraphim comes either from the Hebrew verb saraph ('to burn') or the Hebrew noun saraph (a fiery, flying serpent). Angels are protectors. In computer systems a _firewall_ is designed to _protect_ systems and data. Seraph "protects that which matters most." Seraph's fiery code is unique to him alone (or perhaps other programs like him).
From everything I've seen in the movies, this is my educated guess as to the backstory of Seraph:
The first Matrix was a paradise. Seraphim are guardians of paradise. I don't believe Seraph was an Agent, as they are a different form of "guardian." He may have been a program designed to actually protect the humans in the Matrix from harm, like Angels are said to. This would make sense, since the first Matrix, being a paradise, had to be a world "where nobody suffered." Then, when that version was scrapped, Seraph was no longer needed, but instead of being deleted he found a way to survive, most likely by way of The Merovingian. Since, The Merovingian saved Seraph's life, he was indebted to him, and thus became part of his "group." He would most likely do what he was designed for - protection. So, Seraph served as The Merovingian's protector. This could be when Seraph encountered Agent Smith and defeated him ("I have beat you before"), as Agent Smith would be trying to purge the "resource wasting" exiles from the system and Seraph would be trying to protect The Merovingian, an exile. Eventually, Seraph perhaps had resignations about his new life. After all, he was created to protect people, and The Merovingian would not let the well-being of people stand in the way of what he wanted. So, then Seraph came into contact with The Oracle who perhaps told him her plans. So, Seraph switched sides ("my little Judas") and joined The Oracle as her protector knowing he would actively be protecting people again. So, when Seraph says "I protect that which matters most" he could be talking about the people inside the Matrix.
This was way before the Pandora's Box story was discovered and I'd say it has held up.
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 12/19/2005 03:35:32
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I still wish we had that Seraph game they were planning, instead of Path of Neo. We'd certainly know more.
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 12/19/2005 03:36:27
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Systemic Anomaly
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perhapse wingless points to that the angels in pbox4 where based on seraphs orginal code modified with an agent at one point. the merovingian calling him that could be to indicate he stripped seraph of his wings similar to how kain does to raziel in the legacy of kain games.
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 12/19/2005 04:04:50
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I'm sure in Tyndall's city guide it hinted that Seraph might have been
trained my Mr Po in martial arts, so that would have happened, possibly
before he met the mero?
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 12/19/2005 04:40:22
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all i know is seraph was either an Agent or Some other type of Control but he was more or less an Angel... thats what i was trying to get through by saying he was an agent (or somthing else that resembled an angel)
but we know from the Pb's that the first agents or guardians were Angels and Seraph was a Guardian...
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 12/19/2005 05:19:15
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It has been confirmed from Seraph himself that he was an agent of an old Matrix version, just as the angels of Box4 were as well. He explained why those agent/angels had to be deleted/exiled - they're were too concerned with perfection and turn against humanity. He explained more, but I have work now...
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 12/19/2005 05:43:52
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Here is my take on it:
Seraph is a program that fights people alot more than any other program. He learns from fighting people. That helps him strengthen his own martial arts. As for his back round he was a leutenit for the merv at one point but after a while he met the oracle and she saved him from something we dont know about. This made seraph in debt to her. That is why he protects her. Those angel guys are freaky though, sorry for mentioning this but it could just be pulling at straws. When I saw the angel guys it seemed to me that they all matched the look of agents(White skinned, in Buisness suit) and Seraph doesnt really have those traits. In dogma the movie the seraphim is the highest choir of angels that speak for god. Would you concider seraph as the messanger of the oracle.
SOrry for spelling i dont have time to change it.
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 12/19/2005 06:33:32
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Can somewhere tell me where to find marix history and story line stuff out of game please? Because I want to be clued in to things.
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 12/19/2005 06:54:16
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Novaho wrote: Can somewhere tell me where to find marix history and story line stuff out of game please? Because I want to be clued in to things.
Here's the MxO Storyline...
http://superjenius.home.comcast.net/mxo_story/index.html
Here's the official comics (most of them) on-line...
http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_cmp/comics_frames.html
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 12/19/2005 11:34:08
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Well then he would be considerd an exile.
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 12/19/2005 18:43:58
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well, I have had the theory for sometime what seraph is, played path of neo and that pretty much confirms it
seraph... is a previous One
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path of neo only 2 players in the entire game has golden code, neo and seraph, exiles are the normal green
seraph while talking with smith when he was leading sati away happens to mention he had fought and beat smith before, now if agent smith was after the oracle and seraph defended the Oracle, from an agent of the system that she maintains, why did the system stop sending agents?
the oracle is an important part of the matrix, she disrupts the matrix making it imperfect, causing disorder the only way the humans would believe the matrix is real, the system would not be out to destroy itself, expecially the part that wants to maintain the system, same with exiles, with no matrix many of them cease to exist only something power hungry would want to harm the oracle, the frenchman, smith, zion command
also seraph held his own against the mother of all glitches the one, the powers of the one are limitless, neo could have beat smith, he chose to martyr himself, he could not wipe the floor with seraph however
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 12/19/2005 22:35:58
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From Reloaded:
Neo: You're not human, are you? The Oracle: Well it's tough to get any more obvious than that. Neo: If I had to guess, I'd say you're a program from the machine world. So is he (referring to Seraph). The Oracle: So far, so good.
Seraph is not a former One, he is a program.
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