Well, it's time this discussion took place in earnest.

After the Morpheus sim rebelled against the General, it appeared as though the program might pick up where ol' Baldy left off. After all, the General himself said "I think I made you too well. Or too badly. . ." I didn't understand that fully until I started to ponder these questions.

In a world where nothing is real, not even the air we breathe, what is the difference between a human RSI and simulation program?

If each are programmed with the same thought and speech patterns, is one any more real than the other?

Can Morpheus return to the Matrix this way? And if so, will any of us follow him?

Now, let it be known that I think this is a terrible way to bring him back, but only because it will inevitably have to end. They can't run Morpheus as a sim forever. But, will it further the story?

I think they wrote Morpheus out because he was too strong of a character. He easily overshadowed the rest; Niobe, Seraph, Agent Skinner, even the Merv and the Architect. Hell I remember what it was like back in the early days. When Niobe came online, it was like, "ooh, Niobe!!" but when Morpheus came on it was all "ZOMG MORPHEUSES WE DIEZ 4 YOUR SHORTS!!!!!@@!!!2211"

So, if they brought him back, does being a sim give him enough 'balance' to make him less pivotal?

EDIT: for a better title and readability.

At Remag: I think he is still struggling with the words, since he is kind of off his programming now. I bet the next time we see him, he will be much more sure of himself and confident in his speech. Not perfect, mind you, because we need to be reminded that he's still a program, but he will be a lot more like Morpheus than we might realize...

At Cesspool: Not really, didn't he have access to Zion's mainframe for a while? And if not, well, he could have found the Nab, crashed or stolen or something. . .

Personly I hope this leads to something much deeper such as "what is human?" We have a SIM that can reason and think. It is identicle to Morpheus in apperance and in speach (almost). Yet the only thing that differs between the two is that one is a SIM. Is all that defines a human just haveing a body in the real? My hope is that this leads to a larger revelation to the world of the Matrix that we all think we know and like the films blows that completly away. Thats what this game has been missing.

But going off what has happend before in the story my guess is we are looking at supper villian number 4 named "Bazaro Morpheus"

But going off what has happend before in the story my guess is we are looking at supper villian number 4 named "Bazaro Morpheus"

I'll say this just as food for thought, but don't you think it's interesting the General had Morpheus' captain beacon?

cesspool wrote:

I'll say this just as food for thought, but don't you think it's interesting the General had Morpheus' captain beacon?

Merrit actually brought that up when I was speaking with her once (I forget if this was public or private), and it's probable that the General scoured Morpheus's craft, and that if he wasn't already dead, he probably is now. But that's just the thinking we had...

Neoteny wrote:

cesspool wrote:

I'll say this just as food for thought, but don't you think it's interesting the General had Morpheus' captain beacon?

Merrit actually brought that up when I was speaking with her once (I forget if this was public or private), and it's probable that the General scoured Morpheus's craft, and that if he wasn't already dead, he probably is now. But that's just the thinking we had...

And perhaps the General was himself reprogrammed by a certain bald person? :O

Neoteny wrote:

cesspool wrote:

I'll say this just as food for thought, but don't you think it's interesting the General had Morpheus' captain beacon?

Merrit actually brought that up when I was speaking with her once (I forget if this was public or private), and it's probable that the General scoured Morpheus's craft, and that if he wasn't already dead, he probably is now. But that's just the thinking we had...

And perhaps the General was himself reprogrammed by a certain bald person? :O

Do you really want to believe that Morpheus was responsible for the kidnapping of Sati, attempts to destroy everything plugged into the Matrix, and attempts on the Oracle's life?

I really don't think attacking the Oracle and kidnapping Sati would be in line with his interests.

No one can replace Morpheus.

Morpheus was the pivot around which the original story revolved, a clearly identifyable and charismatic figure the early films were as much his story as Neo's. The net effect of the trilogy should have seen the man evolve and progress leaving him perfectly placed to lead the story of MxO. That connection is what MxO really needed and still does need today.

Sadly MxO's actual handling of him was somewhere between ill advised to devasatatingly damaging to the story as a whole and for me remains as influential as any bug/error in players losing faith in the game (worse really because it drove hardcore Matrix fanatics away).

Can that situation be recovered? Certainly not with a Sim alone, however the handling of the Sim demonstrates that a properly evolved and convincing post Neo Morpheus could have been with us and should have been with us throughout......I dont know where the Sim is headed but somewhere down the line a merging of what it is with the orginal (the general must have had some convincingly real source material....though there are those psychological tapes in the background) is the best way to try and repair the damage already done.....  hopefully then I can watch the trilogy again and feel some excitment/tension in the scenes with Morpheus involved.