Diddums, read carefully. I know you said PC games, but I'm talking exclusively about FPSRPGs and their ilk. We're not comparing console games to PC games, we're comparing console FPSRPGs to PC FPSRPGs. You can't justify the argument that BioShock isn't dumbed down to cater for consoles by talking about completely unrelated games. As I said, they do not merit comparison.But no, let's run with it anyway. You mention Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed. These are covered by what I've already said: 'It's only very recently that developers have realised they don't need to make things too simple for console gamers and have started to be a bit more clever in their approach.' Got it this time?You and Bruinz seem to want to turn this into yet another console vs PC thread. Stop it. That was never what I was getting at. I said they dumbed down BioShock for consoles. They did. Just like they dumbed down Deus Ex 2. They did not, however, necessarily dumb down other games, e.g. Mass Effect.Ok, since you don't care to think, I'll put this in plain terms.
Firstly - Bioshock is not a FPSRPG. It has elements of gameplay such as upgrading your weapon and abilities, but that does not make it a RPG. Where do you roleplay in the game? It is a first person shooter, pure and straight up. It is not dumbed down in any form. It was never meant to be a game such as S.T.A.L.K.E.R with inventory management or anything similar to that. If anything, talking about Mass Effect is a direct comparison to the genre YOU believe Bioshock to be in. Regardless, I never once said I was talking ONLY about FPSRPG, you cannot put words in my mouth and expect me to not call you out on it.
Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed are new games which are not dumbed down at all, correct. You forget that there have been games since NES which are to this day some of the most in depth games around via story and gameplay. Let's make a list, shall we?
Final Fantasy VII.Grand Theft Auto series. (Incredibly in depth for a simplistic 'Shoot 'em up.')Legend of Mana.Secrets of Mana.Final Fantasy IV.Let's just go ahead and say nearly every RPG(RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG ) on the market since NES.
In all actuality I could sit here for days comprising a list to suite your needs, but it would be such a waste of my time.
Also, they didn't dumb down Bioshock for consoles, and have a superior version released for PC.
IT CAME OUT ON 360 FIRST. It was meant to be the way it was. IT WAS A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER, NOT A RPG.
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Procurator wrote:Diddums, read carefully. I know you said PC games, but I'm talking exclusively about FPSRPGs and their ilk. We're not comparing console games to PC games, we're comparing console FPSRPGs to PC FPSRPGs. You can't justify the argument that BioShock isn't dumbed down to cater for consoles by talking about completely unrelated games. As I said, they do not merit comparison.But no, let's run with it anyway. You mention Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed. These are covered by what I've already said: 'It's only very recently that developers have realised they don't need to make things too simple for console gamers and have started to be a bit more clever in their approach.' Got it this time?You and Bruinz seem to want to turn this into yet another console vs PC thread. Stop it. That was never what I was getting at. I said they dumbed down BioShock for consoles. They did. Just like they dumbed down Deus Ex 2. They did not, however, necessarily dumb down other games, e.g. Mass Effect.Ok, since you don't care to think, I'll put this in plain terms.Firstly - Bioshock is not a FPSRPG. It has elements of gameplay such as upgrading your weapon and abilities, but that does not make it a RPG. Where do you roleplay in the game? It is a first person shooter, pure and straight up. It is not dumbed down in any form. It was never meant to be a game such as S.T.A.L.K.E.R with inventory management or anything similar to that. If anything, talking about Mass Effect is a direct comparison to the genre YOU believe Bioshock to be in. Regardless, I never once said I was talking ONLY about FPSRPG, you cannot put words in my mouth and expect me to not call you out on it.Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed are new games which are not dumbed down at all, correct. You forget that there have been games since NES which are to this day some of the most in depth games around via story and gameplay. Let's make a list, shall we?Final Fantasy VII.Grand Theft Auto series. (Incredibly in depth for a simplistic 'Shoot 'em up.')Legend of Mana.Secrets of Mana.Final Fantasy IV.Let's just go ahead and say nearly every RPG(RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG RPG ) on the market since NES.In all actuality I could sit here for days comprising a list to suite your needs, but it would be such a waste of my time.Also, they didn't dumb down Bioshock for consoles, and have a superior version released for PC.IT CAME OUT ON 360 FIRST. It was meant to be the way it was. IT WAS A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER, NOT A RPG.I'm done with replying to you in this thread, if you don't understand it by now - you're wrong, and you've been a giant waste of my time.
I'm done with replying to you in this thread, if you don't understand it by now - you're wrong, and you've been a giant waste of my time.
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Was it really necessary to turn this into a fight?
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It truly is sunday. *cough*Also, is Bioshock 2 merely an "expasion" or a complete new followup with new engine and stuff?
GoDGiVeR wrote:It truly is sunday. *cough*Also, is Bioshock 2 merely an "expasion" or a complete new followup with new engine and stuff?Complete new game, I've heard that they are making 2 new games (Bioshock 2 and 3) with the 3rd in the serise being lined up to be released arround the time that the movie is being made.
odj wrote:GoDGiVeR wrote:It truly is sunday. *cough*Also, is Bioshock 2 merely an "expasion" or a complete new followup with new engine and stuff?Complete new game, I've heard that they are making 2 new games (Bioshock 2 and 3) with the 3rd in the serise being lined up to be released arround the time that the movie is being made.MOVIE?
KanoR wrote:odj wrote:GoDGiVeR wrote:It truly is sunday. *cough*Also, is Bioshock 2 merely an "expasion" or a complete new followup with new engine and stuff?Complete new game, I've heard that they are making 2 new games (Bioshock 2 and 3) with the 3rd in the serise being lined up to be released arround the time that the movie is being made.MOVIE?Yes, movie. They are making a movie based on the Bioshock universe.
HD version of trailer.
Im hoping you play as a grown up Little Sister. Im also hoping for a sequel Im not a fan of prequels very often.
KanoR wrote:
Procurator wrote:Diddums, read carefully. I know you said PC games, but I'm talking exclusively about FPSRPGs and their ilk. We're not comparing console games to PC games, we're comparing console FPSRPGs to PC FPSRPGs. You can't justify the argument that BioShock isn't dumbed down to cater for consoles by talking about completely unrelated games. As I said, they do not merit comparison.But no, let's run with it anyway. You mention Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed. These are covered by what I've already said: 'It's only very recently that developers have realised they don't need to make things too simple for console gamers and have started to be a bit more clever in their approach.' Got it this time?You and Bruinz seem to want to turn this into yet another console vs PC thread. Stop it. That was never what I was getting at. I said they dumbed down BioShock for consoles. They did. Just like they dumbed down Deus Ex 2. They did not, however, necessarily dumb down other games, e.g. Mass Effect.Ok, since you don't care to think, I'll put this in plain terms.Firstly - Bioshock is not a FPSRPG. It has elements of gameplay such as upgrading your weapon and abilities, but that does not make it a RPG. Where do you roleplay in the game?
Firstly - Bioshock is not a FPSRPG. It has elements of gameplay such as upgrading your weapon and abilities, but that does not make it a RPG. Where do you roleplay in the game?
Where do you *not* play your role in this game? lol
Woot!We play as Big Daddy...
yea, that looked pretty good. I love the idea of playing as a big daddy.
