[9.1.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Only Human"

**GamiSB**

NiChO wrote:

Procurator wrote:
NiChO wrote:
If that was the case he would of had it even while he was a bluepill and everyone would have noticed it.
Why? He was the One from the start, but the appropriate code wasn't active. Doesn't mean it wasn't there.

He wasn't the One. The Oracle stated so. If he had the code from the start they machines would of taken extra care of him not being awakened.

No he was the One, he just didn't think he was. "Being the One is like being in love, you just know it balls to bone." Neo still doubted, he questioned himself and it wasn't untill he came to terms with his power that he fully became the One. He had to choose to accept that role.

Plus the One at that point was a key factor in the control over Zion. You can't expcet a legend like that to live on forever with nothing to prove it. So Neo had to be awoken in order for their control to be maintained.

**Nicho**

GamiSB wrote:

NiChO wrote:
Procurator wrote:
NiChO wrote:
If that was the case he would of had it even while he was a bluepill and everyone would have noticed it.
Why? He was the One from the start, but the appropriate code wasn't active. Doesn't mean it wasn't there.

He wasn't the One. The Oracle stated so. If he had the code from the start they machines would of taken extra care of him not being awakened.
No he was the One, he just didn't think he was. "Being the One is like being in love, you just know it balls to bone." Neo still doubted, he questioned himself and it wasn't untill he came to terms with his power that he fully became the One. He had to choose to accept that role.
Plus the One at that point was a key factor in the control over Zion. You can't expcet a legend like that to live on forever with nothing to prove it. So Neo had to be awoken in order for their control to be maintained.

*Put his foot in his mouth*

**GamiSB**

Dont. The truth is never discoverd by just accepting what someone tells you but by constently testing ones theory. And all I've said is just a theory.

**Nicksie**

This is really getting interesting! This mission went from just trying to control the damage the intruder has been causing, to the operator getting fed up and sending you off on his own task to find out some answers and then getting some! SMILEY

Finally they tell us the intruder was freeborn and this is his first time in the Matrix! I just want to know why there is a freeborn out there messing with the Matrix that the machines know all about SMILEY

**Wire393**

I just did this critical, and this whole chapter 9 storyline makes absolutely NO SENSE.

1) Freeborns cannot jack in.
2) Since (1), Freeborns have no access to the Matrix.
3) Humans cannot defeat Agents. Exception: Neo
4) Humans cannot change Machine programs. Exception: Neo.

These four facts have been established since the first movie. Therefore, since the plot line makes no sense, it's irritating me that someone would slaughter the basic rules of the Matrix to create a nonsensical storyline. I know this has something to do with that Algorithm Black, and I knew that THAT was idiotic when I saw it...but this chapter 9 storyline is...really getting bad.

I hope it gets better or I may decide to start skipping criticals until chapter 10. This is worse than the Unlimit storyline.

~Teh Wizire

**MatrixRefugee**

Wire393 wrote:

I just did this critical, and this whole chapter 9 storyline makes absolutely NO SENSE.

1) Freeborns cannot jack in.
2) Since (1), Freeborns have no access to the Matrix.
3) Humans cannot defeat Agents. Exception: Neo
4) Humans cannot change Machine programs. Exception: Neo.

These four facts have been established since the first movie. Therefore, since the plot line makes no sense, it's irritating me that someone would slaughter the basic rules of the Matrix to create a nonsensical storyline. I know this has something to do with that Algorithm Black, and I knew that THAT was idiotic when I saw it...but this chapter 9 storyline is...really getting bad.

I hope it gets better or I may decide to start skipping criticals until chapter 10. This is worse than the Unlimit storyline.

~Teh Wizire

Algorithim: Black is a player-created event and has no connection with Chapter 9 at all, believe me.

Also, there's been defeatable Agents popping up in some of the recent critical missions. Not sure what to make of it, but hey, could be a defective Agent.

Nowhere does it say that the freeborn might not have come up with some sort of technology to allow them to at least transmit into the Matrix. Toluca, the Merovingian liaison on Recursion, is freeborn and has an interface to allow her to access the Matrix. Ask her about it: it's quite interesting.

**Procurator**

Wire393 wrote:

1) Freeborns cannot jack in.
2) Since (1), Freeborns have no access to the Matrix.
3) Humans cannot defeat Agents. Exception: Neo
4) Humans cannot change Machine programs. Exception: Neo.

Oh, come on.

1. This is a hugely obvious thing to point out, so obviously there's a very good explanation for the Intruder managing it. He clearly has mastery over technology in the Real for one thing.
2. This is the same point as number one, so doesn't deserve its own mention.
3. We can defeat lower level Agents, and higher level Agents when we fight en masse. It's tricky, that's all.
4. Changing Machine programs is just manipulating code. Again, this is very tricky, but the Intruder has a mastery of technology, programming, and his own code is a higher version than the Matrix's. Didn't you pay attention to the mission? He uses override codes - there's your explanation right there!

Any facts in the films were only true insofar as they made sense at the time. If there's a way around them that the story writers can come up with, that's absolutely fine.

**MatrixRefugee**

http://userpic.livejournal.com/64003871/1917925

Quibbling over what's canon and what isn't always puts me in mind of the above animated GIF...

ThePigeonKing

Wire393 wrote:

4) Humans cannot change Machine programs. Exception: Neo.

And that one psuedo-Unlimit that hacked an Agent. But wasn't it explained that the Intruder is using override codes?

**MetaLogic**

ThePigeonKing wrote:

Wire393 wrote:

4) Humans cannot change Machine programs. Exception: Neo.

And that one psuedo-Unlimit that hacked an Agent. But wasn't it explained that the Intruder is using override codes?

Don't forget Trinity who said "Dodge this" before putting a bullet in an Agent's forehead.

Of course that could've just been a lucky shot.

ThePigeonKing

MetaLogic wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:
Wire393 wrote:

4) Humans cannot change Machine programs. Exception: Neo.

And that one psuedo-Unlimit that hacked an Agent. But wasn't it explained that the Intruder is using override codes?

Don't forget Trinity who said "Dodge this" before putting a bullet in an Agent's forehead.

Of course that could've just been a lucky shot.

And Morpheus kicking an Agent into the windshield of an oncoming car.

**Croesis**

The first film laid down the foundation for the story, the sequels fleshed out the story. Nowhere does anything say that you cannot build upon the story. Things change all the time, change is the spice of life, what makes it interesting.

**Wire393**

Change is good, as so far as it doesn't ruin the story. Deviating from the original Matrix idea kinda ruins the storyline. And BTW, the intruder thing still makes no sense.

**GamiSB**

Not makeing sence and not understanding are two very diffrent things. Seeing as many seem to have an idea about whats going on I think its more of an issue of you just not understanding.

**Croesis**

Also if there is no deviation from the movie storyline then the whole Matrix tale will get stale. As long as they do not break fundamental rules (as we know them at the moment) without a good, fitting and plausible explanation of how and why, then there is no problem with a divergent storyline.