Zen Master's Balancing

Cal

As it stands now, the most powerful ability in Zen Master is the first one... this allows builds like:

Expert Riflemen

Karate Master

Technique from Zen

With:

Solid Combat ability in/out of IL.

Max Deflection (Bandana w/ 3 Deflection Items or Ninja Mask w/ 2).

Easily Maxed Melee/Ranged Resistances

Little sacrifice for Awakened abilities.

In addition, little is dependent on attributes (although males can eliminate one Deflection item if they're Focus whores).

Of course, with Deflection being such a all or nothing issue in PvP, if
you lower Technique's buff to something like 1.5pts/level or even
1:1... it just isn't useful and we'll revert to the standard Deflection
builds. It's an odd act to balance and that's probably why they're
pulling it rather then leaving it in and then balancing it. Only thing
I can think of to make this useful is to either nerf the Resist
abilities or make a sort of Zen GM and have the bonuses split (would
take the Karate Master part away and make the person load only Zen GM's
first ability and the Expert Rifles).

aletheia

for some reason i was rolling extremely low with sweep the floor which is odd since it requires off-balance. other than that i feel like the abils were great although i'm not sure why aikido needed another move to cause powerless (spinning flower). maybe they could have given it a different debuff (blinded?).

now that i think about it, the additional 50pts of dmg to aikido attacks may be too much. when using "power" attacks i was doing insane dmg in duels.

**krytical**

The only good thing about Zen Master was Technique and its nice 100 VD, the rest is pretty much a duplicate of Aikido. It even has the same timers.

Message Edited by krytical on 08-29-2005 09:43 PM
Message edited by krytical on 08/29/2005 20:43:03.

NanoHaxiaI

Well, the truth is with more memory available from not having to load
up Hacker abilities, the only useful thing an MA can get is Gunman
abilities. To lower the VD from Technique would pretty much make the
tree useless at high levels. There's not really anything you can do
about it. Heck, if not for the roll out bugs then MAs wouldn't have
much need for Gunman. We'd have to really see what kind of effect it
would have on combat though. It's difficult to speculate on it
otherwise.

AlphaCoder

Well i was on holiday when the Zen Master got leaked or watever
happened but all i know is that it stems from Aikido, and all i have to
say is *CENSORED*?!?!?!?! why make us buy and load yet ANOTHER tree that we
may not want to load?? especially as we want to use it at lower levels
(or is it a lvl 45-50 kind of tree??)

we havent got the space to load the hacker abilities down to the ones
that increase your VD. so why wud we have room for a whole MA tree and
then a branch of it?

im sorry but wat if im a gunman?? u expect me to get aikido and run
around with that all the time if im less than about lvl 47 and want to
pvp, this really gets on my nerves, everything they have produced to
combat the pvp inbalance is aimed at high level characters, how is a
lvl 37 supposed to afford the price of those temporary pills if they
still need to upgrade the abilities they have for the insane amout of
money it cost.

this really needs to be sorted because i want to pvp at level 37 and
there shouldnt be anything that makes it impossible for me. i
understand that it is mostly level 50's that pvp, but thats for a good
reason, bacause at the moment noone else can with all the inbalances
and all the solutions aimed at level 50's.

now i love this game and have been playing it since the sneak preview
so not as long as some but i have loved every minute of it, however it
is frustrating when i see mistakes like this and ommissions being made
that deterr me and others i know from playing this much loved game SMILEY

i
want it fixed like everyone else and understand it takes times, but
this issue has been present for a long time.

sorry for going off on a tangent. this just really infuriates me as you
can see......back on track Zen Master Abilities. I dont understand why
we would need gunman loaded with MA? could you explain please?

**Ntrails**

You misunderstand. As a gunman you cannot PvP with the big boys at level 37. Only a hacker can do that. The abilities are to give 50's a shot at playing without using hacker tree for VD. the rest is a more powerful version of akido

M1ndSpore

And to balance it off they are adding trojan horse a nifty operative (ma only?) destroyer these are exciting times

Gundamblitz

Its nice to see people talking about Zen Master but I highly doubt it will ever be introduced. Seeing as half the communty is ready to quit cause their are to many bugs now to ever fix. It was nice to see Zen even for the little bit they had it in (3-4 days total), But at the rate of people leaving the game they arent going to have a good reason to add the Zen tree in.

pheyde

aletheia I LOVE YOUR SIG LOL