Bioshock 2: Sea of Dreams

**odj**

Rumors are that it is going to be a prequel and a sequel all in one, which would explain the older little sister.

Also, has anyone even considered that this person on the beach might not be a little sister? Seriously, hear me out here...

We know at the end of Bioshock that one of the endings was that you saved them, they grew up, found love, married... and had kids...

What if the person we see is not a little sister but a daughter of one?

KanoR

Hellie wrote:

I thought there were rumours a few months ago that it was indeed a prequel.

I haven't heard anything.

But I am a psychic? SMILEY

**byond**

lol i havent even played the first one yet

Hellie

KanoR wrote:

Hellie wrote:
I thought there were rumours a few months ago that it was indeed a prequel.
I haven't heard anything.

But I am a psychic?

I did a news story on this a month or so ago, sources could have been wrong at that given point.

I loved the two endings, was an odd thing to rescue them. More ADAM, MORE.. Harvest them I say.

KanoR

Procurator wrote:

Let us see where this goes.
The original BioShock was pretty good. Way, way overhyped though, and the last couple of levels I kinda skimmed my way through and sadly never felt compelled to go back and do properly. I may play it again while I wait for GTA IV or Mirror's Edge, now that I can see it in DX10 mode.
I sincerely hope they fix the console dumbed-down-ness of the first.

This makes me think you're an idiot.

Dumbed-down-ness?

Bioshock is one of the best games I've played in 20 years. Just because you prefer PC to console, doesn't mean conosles are dumbed down. Don't be ignorant. Bioshock was more indepth than 90% of the PC games I played last year. Actually all console titles are more indepth than most PC titles coming out.

(And pssst, it came out for PC too)

**Bruinz** · 10/18/2008 07:15:20

KanoR wrote:

Procurator wrote:
Let us see where this goes.
The original BioShock was pretty good. Way, way overhyped though, and the last couple of levels I kinda skimmed my way through and sadly never felt compelled to go back and do properly. I may play it again while I wait for GTA IV or Mirror's Edge, now that I can see it in DX10 mode.
I sincerely hope they fix the console dumbed-down-ness of the first.
This makes me think you're an idiot.

Dumbed-down-ness?

Bioshock is one of the best games I've played in 20 years. Just because you prefer PC to console, doesn't mean conosles are dumbed down. Don't be ignorant. Bioshock was more indepth than 90% of the PC games I played last year. Actually all console titles are more indepth than most PC titles coming out.

(And pssst, it came out for PC too)

+1 Forum CQ point.

I don't get console haters. And most of their arguments of not beable to be as accurate on a console is 100% pure farmgrown BS. Only difference for a console, is I get to play it on my 42'' LCD 1080i HDTV SMILEY

**Procurator**

KanoR wrote:

This makes me think you're an idiot.

Dumbed-down-ness?

Bioshock is one of the best games I've played in 20 years. Just because you prefer PC to console, doesn't mean conosles are dumbed down. Don't be ignorant. Bioshock was more indepth than 90% of the PC games I played last year. Actually all console titles are more indepth than most PC titles coming out.

(And pssst, it came out for PC too)

Yeees, I know it came out on PC. I played it on PC. /facepalm

My point is that it was too simple. Everything was too simple. No inventory management, few stats, eating food as soon as you picked it up, Vita-Chambers... everything. Compare that to a PC original like Deus Ex or System Shock 2 (to which BioShock is often compared, never favourably). Deus Ex 2 got the same treatment: they brought it out for consoles, and in the process removed half the features so the poor console gamers didn't get confused. As Yahtzee puts it: 'If you got the Xbox version where they're used to insipid boom-fests like Halo then BioShock will seem [awesome], but if you're a long-time PC gamer spoiled by more complex FPSRPGs then you're in for a kick in the [mivonks].'

It's only very recently that developers have realised they don't need to make things too simple for console gamers and have started to be a bit more clever in their approach.

Tell me, what were these 90% of PC games you played last year? Remember, they have to be a similar genre to BioShock or they don't merit comparison. If they were just plain FPSs (which aren't meant to be complicated) then I'll laugh.

**Procurator**

Bruinz wrote:

I don't get console haters. And most of their arguments of not beable to be as accurate on a console is 100% pure farmgrown BS. Only difference for a console, is I get to play it on my 42'' LCD 1080i HDTV

I hope you're ranting (somewhat off-topic) about console haters in general and not me, 'cos I said nothing about aiming accuracy. And I reckon my 24" 1920x1200 LCD monitor outdoes most TVs, however big they are. The bigger the telly, the bigger the pixels (which is a bad thing) and the further you have to sit back from it. I never saw the point, not when my seat is more comfortable than any sofa and I have surround sound anyway. SMILEY

>_>

I'll put it away.

Hellie

I choose... Rapture!

The first time your sphere hovers over the city while a brilliant score pounds away through your speakers... it never stopped to amaze me. The atmosphere in the game, the over-the-top use of the neon signs, every room just breathing out that 50's-era. I never got why people found the game to be scary, but when it comes to atmosphere I have yet to find a game that impressed me that much. Combine that with music from artists like The Inkspots, Bing Crosby, Perry Como and Coel Porter and it made Bioshock into the stuff legends were made of. Yes it was hyped, so hyped... but it lived up to it.

**Procurator**

Hellie wrote:

I never got why people found the game to be scary

Fort Frolic, that's why. Made by the same level designer that did the Shalebridge Cradle in Thief 3. *Shudders.*

KanoR · 10/18/2008 08:26:33

Procurator wrote:

KanoR wrote:
This makes me think you're an idiot.

Dumbed-down-ness?

Bioshock is one of the best games I've played in 20 years. Just because you prefer PC to console, doesn't mean conosles are dumbed down. Don't be ignorant. Bioshock was more indepth than 90% of the PC games I played last year. Actually all console titles are more indepth than most PC titles coming out.

(And pssst, it came out for PC too)

Tell me, what were these 90% of PC games you played last year? Remember, they have to be a similar genre to BioShock or they don't merit comparison. If they were just plain FPSs (which aren't meant to be complicated) then I'll laugh.

Crysis.

Not just a plain FPS.
Not an RPG FPS by any means, but PC gets few of those.

I also never said anything about genre. I said PC games. You're running out of reasons to argue and simply saying that they have to be the same genre. I laugh at you.

Mass Effect, 360 then to PC, beat any game that was purely a PC game.
Assassin's Creed, Console THEN PC.
EA skate. One of the best control systems in any game to date.

Some older ones.

Halo, sure it's full of 'BOOM HEADSHOT' kids, but guess what - console game ported to PC where the console game was still better.
Gears of War. Console game ported to PC in which it's still played more on console and beats a TON of PC only FPS story lines.

Your arguments lack sustenance, your sentiments are perfectly precise in their simplicity.

**Procurator**

Diddums, read carefully. I know you said PC games, but I'm talking exclusively about FPSRPGs and their ilk. We're not comparing console games to PC games, we're comparing console FPSRPGs to PC FPSRPGs. You can't justify the argument that BioShock isn't dumbed down to cater for consoles by talking about completely unrelated games. As I said, they do not merit comparison.

But no, let's run with it anyway. You mention Mass Effect and Assassin's Creed. These are covered by what I've already said: 'It's only very recently that developers have realised they don't need to make things too simple for console gamers and have started to be a bit more clever in their approach.' Got it this time?

You and Bruinz seem to want to turn this into yet another console vs PC thread. Stop it. That was never what I was getting at. I said they dumbed down BioShock for consoles. They did. Just like they dumbed down Deus Ex 2. They did not, however, necessarily dumb down other games, e.g. Mass Effect.

**odj**

Guys if you want to talk about Bioshock I suggest moving to this thread. At the moment you are just cluttering up this one with off-topic discussion.

**GreyMountain**

If it is a prequel as I have heard most sources say it will be, I can't wait. I'm looking forward to exploring Rapture in its prime and marvelling at the atmosphere. And then slowly watching its demise.

That may seem sinister but hey.

**Roukan**

Or it could be someone with the intellectual intregrity of Ryan wanting to rebuild Rapture.