This isn't 1999.

**Neoteny** · 12/12/2007 09:12:21

'98 can be explained by that whole thing... From what I understood it was a matter of convincing everyone that the previous year was 1998, and the year before 1997 and so on and so forth, so that could sort of be played off.

2003, well, that's kind of odd, isn't it? Since it only says '03 maybe we can pretend it was 1903... <.<

EDIT: Because I typed "pretent." This does not give me much hope for a degree in the English department...

**Tygrius**

MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:

Vesuveus wrote:
2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version? That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

**MxO-PhanthomZtryker**

Tygrius wrote:

MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:
Vesuveus wrote:
2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version? That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

Oh. =P

/facepalm

Phrack

Tygrius wrote:

MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:
Vesuveus wrote:
2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version? That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

Feasible, but not likely.

**Roukan**

Tygrius wrote:

MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:
Vesuveus wrote:
2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version? That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.

2199 is not plausible. 7 iterations of the Matrix. Besides, 1999 is when AI was CREATED. There's the time between creation and the Matrix.

Steelle

Maybe those time stamps of 98 and 03 refer to the date in the real. 2198. 2203. I dunno, just thinking outside the box here guys.

**Neoteny**

Roukan wrote:

Tygrius wrote:
MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:
Vesuveus wrote:
2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version? That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.
2199 is not plausible. 7 iterations of the Matrix. Besides, 1999 is when AI was CREATED. There's the time between creation and the Matrix.

Right. That's what Morpheus had figured before they knew there had been previous versions of the Matrix, and previous incarnations of Zion. 6 Matrixes with "The One" plus the two failed Matrices, which, god only knows how long those were around (they can't be assumed cyclical like the others) plus the time for the war, and the time between 1999 and the creation of AI (I don't think it happened that year... or anytime too soon). It's probably around 3500 or later.

**Roukan** · 12/12/2007 09:14:01

Neoteny wrote:

Roukan wrote:
Tygrius wrote:
MxO-PhanthomZtryker wrote:
Vesuveus wrote:
2007 in The Matrix, closer to 2207 in the Real.

Don't you mean 3007?
I think he said 1999 was 2999.

actually it was said to be closer to 2199...."I cant tell you the real date because honestly, I dont know."

Also, one thing you have to ask about that scene from the animatrix....was that an event of the matrix we know? or a past version? That could very well of happened somewhere towards the end of the 4th or 5th version and merely be more of an "historical document" to show the machines methods of purging anomolies.
2199 is not plausible. 7 iterations of the Matrix. Besides, 1999 is when AI was CREATED. There's the time between creation and the Matrix.

Right. That's what Morpheus had figured before they knew there had been previous versions of the Matrix, and previous incarnations of Zion. 6 Matrixes with "The One" plus the two failed Matrices, which, god only knows how long those were around (they can't be assumed cyclical like the others) plus the time for the war, and the time between 1999 and the creation of AI (I don't think it happened that year... or anytime too soon). It's probably around 3500 or later.

I would think that gives it too much credit. A thousand years? Nah. Closer though, I'd put it around 2900.

**Procurator**

[Current date] = [End of the War] + [[Morpheus' guess] - [End of the War]]*[# of iterations] + [Some time for the first two failed versions]

So let's say:
2100 + (2199-2100)*6 + 50 = about 2750 at the very least. Using very conservative estimates, of course.

**PS10N**

BAD Ideas that are NOT in the movies but have stunk their way in to MxO canon:

1) It's always 1999 in the Matrix.
2) The Matrix is only a big city and a surrounding mountain range.
3) Morpheus found five "failed Ones" before finding Neo.

And before I get jumped (again) for #3 because "it's in the original script:" it was in the script and was not shot in to the movie because it was a BAD IDEA that they REJECTED. Going thru old movie scripts to find things that were not used in order to show that they were "real" is pretty flawed. The early scripts of "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" don't include Spock's death so, following the same logic as those who are whining "but it's in the script they didn't use!" then Spock didn't die in Wrath of Khan, either, even tho that's what everyone saw on the screen. The W Bros re-used the concept of "five previous Ones" in Reloaded, so throwing it back on top of the present cycle makes no sense and is the equivalent of eating thrown away food out of garbage bin. They threw it out because it was bad - why are you so eager to eat it up?

**Roukan**

PS10N wrote:

They threw it out because it was bad - why are you so eager to eat it up?

Because we choose to.

**PS10N**

Have a raining taco instead...

**Garu**

*CENSORED* and here I was ready to party like it was 1999. SMILEY

Anywho, it's hard to really use "Beyond" as evidence since it's part of Animatrix and not one of the shorts written by the Wachowskis. Though it was inspired like the others, they do contain things that contradict the "canon" of the Matrix universe, as envisioned by the Wachowskis.

I may be wrong but who cares what year it is in the Matrix anyway?

**Procurator**

Me.

Well, I don't care what year it is, more the system that's employed. I only hate it being 1999 if it was 1999 last year as well. The concept is so horribly flawed that it cheapens the entire Matrix universe. It's as daft as pew-pew.

**cloudwolf** · 12/12/2007 11:19:01

Neoteny wrote:

'98 can be explained by that whole thing... From what I understood it was a matter of convincing everyone that the previous year was 1998, and the year before 1997 and so on and so forth, so that could sort of be played off.

Was gonna say the same thing, that was the ticktock's (?) explaination.