Storyline rant

**ZippyTheSquirrel** · 04/07/2008 06:31:31

[19:13] [Masked]MetaLogic: I hate this mission so much
[19:14] Zippy the Squirrel: Which one? I've likely done them all at this point.
[19:15] [Masked]MetaLogic: 5.3.4
[19:15] Zippy the Squirrel: Sounds like .. Unlimit?
[19:15] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yep, and Im trying to kill them all in an ambush
[19:16] Zippy the Squirrel: Effectuator pop in to say something when it happened?
[19:16] [Masked]MetaLogic: No
[19:16] Zippy the Squirrel: Ah, hm, so it's a generic Too Many Unlimit mission.
[19:16] Zippy the Squirrel: Yeah, those are **CENSORED**.
[19:17] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yea
[19:17] [Masked]MetaLogic: Dont these missions have timers?
[19:20] [Masked]MetaLogic: Well i got it down to one....I hope
[19:24] Zippy the Squirrel: Each phase has a timer, I think.
[19:24] [Masked]MetaLogic: Well I got done with this mission
[19:28] Zippy the Squirrel: I think my virus scanner crashed.
[19:28] Zippy the Squirrel: But I don't want to try to turn it off to test it..
[19:28] [Masked]MetaLogic: yea
[19:36] [Masked]MetaLogic: I hate the unlimits so *CENSORED* much.....
[19:37] Zippy the Squirrel: Ah, the good ol' days, back when the game had challenge, the Orgs would compete, and.. there were more players.
[19:38] [Masked]MetaLogic: and pew pew lasers
[19:42] Zippy the Squirrel: You can mock Pew Pew all you want, but you turn right around and stare at the fact that the Machines and Zion haven't actually fought in a war since Locke disappeared and that multiple people made of GLOWING NEON WIRES are current rampaging across the city -- and yet nobody's drowned in their pods *just* yet.
[19:42] Zippy the Squirrel: Anome had skin. You can't beat that.
[19:42] [Masked]MetaLogic: Hmmm.....
[19:42] [Masked]MetaLogic: That is strange
[19:42] Zippy the Squirrel: By the way, put Dr. Cox's voice in that rant.
[19:42] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yea, I think re-starting the war was a great start, but they didnt follow through on it.
[19:43] Zippy the Squirrel: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
[19:43] Zippy the Squirrel: When do they EVER?!
[19:43] Zippy the Squirrel: MxO's story has been one plot twist after another. Seriously. Look it up.
[19:43] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yep
[19:43] [Masked]MetaLogic: They need to hire real writers
[19:45] [Masked]MetaLogic: Paul and Rarebit do not know how to write! >.<
[19:46] Zippy the Squirrel: They do fine on their own, only they have serious flaws that were never corrected.
[19:47] Zippy the Squirrel: Chadwick made the story into a comic-book-like thing. Pew pew, wireframe, etc.
[19:47] [Masked]MetaLogic: I thought Rarebit was responsible for wireframe man.
[19:48] Zippy the Squirrel: Whereas Rarebit doesn't actually care about the storyline, and has actually admitted to that on numerous occasions. He's also the personal author of some PlayerRP ball kicks / Major Plotholes. [NOTE: The beginning of every rant I come up with starts out with angry half-truths spouted as a warm-up. Most of the time I know when I'm being ignorant, so I'm only highlighting things I hold my convictions to.]
[19:48] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yea, Reinsertion being a lie was a HUGE ball kick.
[19:49] Zippy the Squirrel: Rarebit "sidewinded" Chadwick (knowing the story about his contract not being renewed casts another light on that) at some point in the story (probably around when Unlimit was cut), and that did help the storyline.. for a while.
[19:50] [Masked]MetaLogic: Hmm, how much do you want to bet that more than just The W Brothers worked on the Matrix Script.
[19:50] Zippy the Squirrel: I suspect he only had a hand in speeding through / skipping several otherwise too-long story chapters like Anome's death and Unlimit.
[19:51] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yea, but Wireframe seems to be going on too long, so many hints but not enough answers.
[19:51] Zippy the Squirrel: Lord knows without Rarebit's help the General would be dead, but so would some ACTUAL MAJOR CHARACTERS. Remember at the beginning, when a major character died?
[19:51] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yep, Morpheus
[19:52] Zippy the Squirrel: I'm still browsing through my unusually slow computer trying to install C&C3 so I can play Kane's Wrath, so I can't look up the post, but quite a few other people were slated to be put under the ground.
[19:52] [Masked]MetaLogic: I read about what was GOING to happen to Cryptos and the Cypherite Org after Seraph uncovered the overwriting
[19:53] [Masked]MetaLogic: I am glad we didnt go down that path.
[19:53] Zippy the Squirrel: I'm not, actually.
[19:53] Zippy the Squirrel: We need some permanent story changes.
[19:53] [Masked]MetaLogic: Why not? I mean why get rid of the Cypherite Org and keep EPN?
[19:54] Zippy the Squirrel: Sure, Cryptos is now Void Zero [Editor's note: Void Lite was already taken] (I'll get to EPN), but think about the Cyph org with Veil in charge after Cryptos defects.
[19:54] Zippy the Squirrel: EPN probably would have gone away with the breaking of the Truce.
[19:55] [Masked]MetaLogic: Cryptos was the only person keeping Veil in line
[19:55] [Masked]MetaLogic: With him out of the picture....
[19:55] Zippy the Squirrel: Exactly. [Editor's note: I love when I can make a point without actually stating the point]
[19:55] [Masked]MetaLogic: Awww man
[19:55] [Masked]MetaLogic: We couldve had a more awesome org!
[19:55] Zippy the Squirrel: *leans back with a smug sneer*
[19:55] [Masked]MetaLogic: I would LOVE to be in an org with Veil as sole leader!
[19:55] Zippy the Squirrel: Cypherites would actually live up to their evil stereotype.
[19:55] [Masked]MetaLogic: We wouldve been awesome!
[19:56] Zippy the Squirrel: EPN would fizzle into the Kid and Shimada being some Zion heroes or dead or whatever.
[19:56] [Masked]MetaLogic: *CENSORED* balance.....
[19:56] Zippy the Squirrel: Machines would maintain that they're still playing Guardians over the Human Race, without looking overly evil as they've been portrayed in the chapters before and after the Intruder intro.
[19:56] [Masked]MetaLogic: Sometimes things need to be unbalance
[19:57] Zippy the Squirrel: Because that's the second biggest thing that unsettles me in this story - Rarebit's been playing the Machines as secretive monsters.
[19:57] Zippy the Squirrel: The game should be about the Machines versus Zion with side-Orgs each claiming a piece of the action in their own unique way.
[19:57] Zippy the Squirrel: Emphasis on unique.
[19:58] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yep
[19:59] [Masked]MetaLogic: Whos idea was it to have Reinsertion be a lie?
[19:59] Zippy the Squirrel: Rarebit.
[19:59] [Masked]MetaLogic: Why? That makes no sense...
[19:59] [Masked]MetaLogic: Wasnt someone reinserted in the Matrix comic?
[19:59] Zippy the Squirrel: He did something else, too, but I can't quite remember.
[19:59] Zippy the Squirrel: ...Oh, yes, 1999.
[19:59] [Masked]MetaLogic: The movie said sometimes in the 20th century
[19:59] [Masked]MetaLogic: It never gave a specific year
[20:00] Zippy the Squirrel: Well, actually, the movies did give specic years if you paid attention.
[20:00] Zippy the Squirrel: year*s*
[20:00] [Masked]MetaLogic: Well you said YearS I said Year
[20:00] Zippy the Squirrel: Operative word. Time progressed normally in the Matrix -- Rarebit's version... uughhhh
[20:00] [Masked]MetaLogic: The Ws brothers need to come back to the franchise
[20:01] Zippy the Squirrel: You can look that up, though I think The Kid made a post about Neo's Awakening on his anniverssary somewhere.
[20:01] Zippy the Squirrel: The Wachowskis? Only to make a prequel to the Matrix movies.
[20:01] Zippy the Squirrel: It would be cool if they did a sequel based on MxO.
[20:01] [Masked]MetaLogic: Without Anome or Wireframe >.<
[20:02] Zippy the Squirrel: No, no, no, see, people with that kind of thinking irritate me. You can tweak minor details about the two and they would be okay.
[20:02] [Masked]MetaLogic: What would you tweak?
[20:02] Zippy the Squirrel: Anome - no pew pew, just more Agent/Neo-like.
[20:02] [Masked]MetaLogic: k
[20:02] Zippy the Squirrel: Wireframe - Have skin, with the wireframe as little white veins in their skin.
[20:03] [Masked]MetaLogic: That wouldve look more natural and wouldnt upset the bluepills
[20:03] [Masked]MetaLogic: as much
[20:03] Zippy the Squirrel: *doodles Halborn with a face with little lines criss-crossing it*
[20:03] Zippy the Squirrel: Like they were scars or something.
[20:03] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yea
[20:04] <metalogic stopped playing The Matrix Online>
[20:04] Zippy the Squirrel: What else... *taps pencil against snout*
[20:04] Zippy the Squirrel: I wouldn't change the Assassin.
[20:04] [Masked]MetaLogic: Hmm
[20:04] [Masked]MetaLogic: What about Reinsertion?
[20:04] Zippy the Squirrel: Come on, a man made of flies? That just screams awesome Horror-style.
[20:04] Zippy the Squirrel: Reinsertion?
[20:05] Zippy the Squirrel: I wouldn't touch it.
[20:05] [Masked]MetaLogic: The overwriting of bluepills and redpills?
[20:05] Zippy the Squirrel: Leave the Cypherites believing but never actually say if its feasible.
[20:05] Zippy the Squirrel: I would probably remove the bluepill one and say that they were programs all along.
[20:05] Zippy the Squirrel: Cryptos would be the single overwritten redpill.
[20:06] Zippy the Squirrel: But you're getting too far ahead for one sequel.
[20:06] [Masked]MetaLogic: We could get Denzel Washington to be Cryptos
[20:06] Zippy the Squirrel: You can only fit one major story element into a movie..
[20:06] Zippy the Squirrel: So the first sequel would be all about Morpheus.
[20:06] Zippy the Squirrel: Maybe a final showdown between Niobe and the Assassin, ba ba ba...
[20:07] [Masked]MetaLogic: Hehehe, that would be awesome
[20:07] Zippy the Squirrel: No insecticide, that's lame.
[20:08] Zippy the Squirrel: Although without it I can't really think of a good way to kill him off without Niobe emptying everything she had on every last fly..
[20:08] [Masked]MetaLogic: Hmm
[20:08] [Masked]MetaLogic: Electric gun?
[20:08] Zippy the Squirrel: *rubs eyebrows*
[20:09] Zippy the Squirrel: Flies can drown, she'll probably end up dumping the trash pile he's on into the river, with it landing on top of the bastard as the flies drown.
[20:09] Zippy the Squirrel: Yes.... images of a slowly spreading pool of dead flies in the Aqueduct rolling in my eyes.
[20:09] [Masked]MetaLogic: Hmmm nice
[20:10] Zippy the Squirrel: Movie would end with Morpheus's funeral...
[20:10] [Masked]MetaLogic: The assasination of Morpheus should be done in slow motion and with alot of blood....
[20:10] Zippy the Squirrel: Close in on Morpheus's eye as the mourners leave...
[20:10] Zippy the Squirrel: It opens and the pupil turns into a fly that flies away.
[20:11] [Masked]MetaLogic: Nice
[20:11] [Masked]MetaLogic: I nominate Zippy for MxO writer! :D
[20:11] Zippy the Squirrel: As you can see, I've had a stick up my bum about the story for a while. ;)

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

[20:11] [Masked]MetaLogic: So what do you think Chapter 10 will bring?
[20:12] Zippy the Squirrel: Someone's gotta die, though knowing Rarebit it will just be Halborn or--twist--Carlyne.
[20:12] Zippy the Squirrel: I'm hoping the Oracle will bite it.
[20:12] [Masked]MetaLogic: Me too
[20:12] [Masked]MetaLogic: I'm not a big fan of her
[20:12] Zippy the Squirrel: Let's say there's no new character introduction. The possibilities are thus:
[20:13] Zippy the Squirrel: Halborn kills the Oracle when she reveals she doesn't have the program.
[20:13] Zippy the Squirrel: Carlyne kills Halborn and takes the program from the Oracle.
[20:13] Zippy the Squirrel: Carlyne kills both and gets the program.
[20:13] Zippy the Squirrel: The Oracle kills Halborn with the program.
[20:13] Zippy the Squirrel: The Oracle kills Carlyne with the program.
[20:13] [Masked]MetaLogic: Or they do a Jonestown
[20:14] Zippy the Squirrel: Now, if there were new character introductions, the single most likely possiblity is a small army of Intruders showing up.
[20:14] [Masked]MetaLogic: Oh God...
[20:14] Zippy the Squirrel: As a mini-org of super-powerful beings and their... non-unique NPCs.
[20:14] [Masked]MetaLogic: *starts to bang haed against wall*
[20:14] Zippy the Squirrel: Another bug - no unique baddies NPCs.
[20:14] [Masked]MetaLogic: Can we just please get back to the war?
[20:14] [Masked]MetaLogic: Pleaes?
[20:14] Zippy the Squirrel: Copy paste, slap a ball of animation on it.
[20:15] Zippy the Squirrel: The war?
[20:15] [Masked]MetaLogic: That arc was going so well!
[20:15] Zippy the Squirrel: What w..
[20:15] Zippy the Squirrel: *shudder*
[20:15] Zippy the Squirrel: It was, wasn't it?
[20:15] Zippy the Squirrel: Although Rarebit realized he couldn't go any further without killing somebody off.
[20:15] [Masked]MetaLogic: and events where they had orgs facing off orgs like Recursion Cyph facing off Recursion EPN
[20:15] Zippy the Squirrel: Maybe that's what Colt's for.
[20:15] [Masked]MetaLogic: That what we should've been doing!
[20:16] Zippy the Squirrel: Lemme see, what were we doing when there was a war...
[20:16] [Masked]MetaLogic: Nothing?
[20:16] Zippy the Squirrel: Merv was investigating the possibility of multiple Machine cities.
[20:16] [Masked]MetaLogic: That went no where
[20:16] Zippy the Squirrel: Zion was buffing up defense and plotting attacks on the Machine big wire things.
[20:16] Zippy the Squirrel: That was going to go somewhere, but the Intruder interrupted.
[20:17] Zippy the Squirrel: -_-
[20:17] Zippy the Squirrel: The Machines were being bad *CENSORED* and pwning everyone in sight..
[20:17] [Masked]MetaLogic: EPN was trying to attack 01
[20:17] Zippy the Squirrel: I automatically loop EPN and Zion together, sorry.
[20:17] [Masked]MetaLogic: Which would've been hailarious if they actually carried it out
[20:17] [Masked]MetaLogic: Can we say Epic Pwnage by the machines?
[20:17] Zippy the Squirrel: Lessee, Cypherites were... uh... being...
[20:18] [Masked]MetaLogic: Half emo and half crazy?
[20:18] Zippy the Squirrel: That one.
[20:18] Zippy the Squirrel: Crazy emo.
[20:18] Zippy the Squirrel: No wonder Ebola fits in so well.
[20:18] Zippy the Squirrel: *shifty eyes*
[20:18] [Masked]MetaLogic: We should get rid of Cryptos -_-
[20:18] Zippy the Squirrel: I still don't understand how Veil could have let him back in.
[20:18] [Masked]MetaLogic: I want my crazy Veil org
[20:18] [Masked]MetaLogic: Because INS
[20:18] [Masked]MetaLogic: Its In The Script
[20:18] Zippy the Squirrel: Of course.
[20:19] [Masked]MetaLogic: Nothing has to make sense if you're the one writing the story
[20:19] Zippy the Squirrel: Black is white, up is orange, Sarah Edmotons died two years ago.
[20:19] Zippy the Squirrel: Yes!
[20:19] Zippy the Squirrel: That's it!
[20:19] Zippy the Squirrel: *brainstorm*
[20:19] Zippy the Squirrel: That's what could have been the focus of the War.
[20:20] [Masked]MetaLogic: If it was me, I would've left the "pew pew" stuff out
[20:20] [Masked]MetaLogic: from the Anome arc
[20:20] Zippy the Squirrel: EPN's attack failed
[20:20] [Masked]MetaLogic: Have Anome have a more glorious death than what he's gotten
[20:20] Zippy the Squirrel: So they go looking for Neo or Morpheus and somebody goes "Hey, what about Sarah?"
[20:20] Zippy the Squirrel: Didn't Sarah's friend get Awakened some time ago?
[20:20] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yea she did
[20:20] [Masked]MetaLogic: Apparently the promise her that she'll find Sarah in the real;
[20:20] Zippy the Squirrel: Anome should have been the cause of his own death IMO
[20:21] [Masked]MetaLogic: Drank the wrong vial?
[20:21] Zippy the Squirrel: No..
[20:21] Zippy the Squirrel: I mean the whole Mother revelation should have made him go crazy
[20:21] Zippy the Squirrel: ..ier than he was
[20:21] [Masked]MetaLogic: Oh yea
[20:21] [Masked]MetaLogic: We should've seen massive attacks on the city
[20:21] Zippy the Squirrel: We *did*
[20:21] [Masked]MetaLogic: The Matrix code going crazy
[20:21] Zippy the Squirrel: People got tired of that.
[20:22] Zippy the Squirrel: I like the idea of the Runtime Bit. Putting in NPCs that spawn other NPCs until they die? Brilliant.
[20:22] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yep

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

[20:24] Zippy the Squirrel: Looks like Agent Griffin will be the Third Agent. Finally picked someone, did they? [Editor's note, was browsing LE boards around this time]
[20:26] Zippy the Squirrel: I think I'll save this chat window and post it somewhere, see how it flies by the other forum trolls. > SMILEY

[20:28] [Masked]MetaLogic: Ok, back
[20:31] [Masked]MetaLogic: Hmm Agent Griffin looks like Gray's younger brother
[20:31] [Masked]MetaLogic: You know, I don't like how quickly Gray recovered....
[20:31] [Masked]MetaLogic: I mean comon!
[20:32] Zippy the Squirrel: I was hoping for at least a return to his Smith-like ways.
[20:32] Zippy the Squirrel: I mean.. talk about Plothole / kick in the balls.
[20:32] [Masked]MetaLogic: I know
[20:32] [Masked]MetaLogic: Ebola and I were talking about that too
[20:33] [Masked]MetaLogic: It would've been awesome to see more Smith like qualities in Gray.
[20:33] Zippy the Squirrel: I think Ebola's the only player in the game who's more of a hardcore Smith fan than me SMILEY

[20:33] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yea, Smith is awesome
[20:36] Zippy the Squirrel: Did I cover all the storyline BS? I'm in a fairly ranty mood. SMILEY

[20:37] [Masked]MetaLogic: You covered Wireframe, Anome, Reinsertion, Cypherite and EPN, Gray, hmm
[20:37] [Masked]MetaLogic: the War
[20:37] [Masked]MetaLogic: a sequal based on MxO
[20:37] Zippy the Squirrel: Oh, I know... Program "BackUp Files"
[20:37] Zippy the Squirrel: **bullcrud**
[20:37] Zippy the Squirrel: *in a fairly Colbert-like manner*
[20:37] [Masked]MetaLogic: Why is it **bullcrud**?
[20:38] Zippy the Squirrel: Because, thanks to EJP and Backup files, NOBODY CAN DIE ANYMORE
[20:38] Zippy the Squirrel: Silver rebelled against the Merv. He dead now, bish.
[20:38] Zippy the Squirrel: No, wait, nvm, backup.
[20:39] Zippy the Squirrel: Agent Gray got his *CENSORED* handed to him, with no real way of backing him up if you know your Agent Gray Backstory.
[20:39] Zippy the Squirrel: No, wait, nvm.
[20:39] Zippy the Squirrel: Hypatia, backed up.
[20:39] Zippy the Squirrel: It's like everyone gets a free green mushroom.
[20:39] [Masked]MetaLogic: Who isn't back up? Beside the random NPC programs.....
[20:39] Zippy the Squirrel: The Trainman, for one.
[20:39] Zippy the Squirrel: Now *that* was a good story arc.
[20:39] [Masked]MetaLogic: I guess he's not high enough on the Merv. ladder
[20:40] [Masked]MetaLogic: They did a great job on the Trainman's look
[20:40] Zippy the Squirrel: I personally believe he's dead, but eh, nobody can really prove it.
[20:40] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yea, I see what you mean, alot of people should've died
[20:40] Zippy the Squirrel: He collapsed from mortal wounds, but in his own construct, where he is I quote "God."
[20:40] Zippy the Squirrel: It could be anyone's call.
[20:40] [Masked]MetaLogic: Silver, Hypthia, Gray....
[20:40] Zippy the Squirrel: Yes, they should all be dead or at least for Gray severely corrupted.
[20:41] Zippy the Squirrel: *wags and stabs his finger as he speaks*
[20:41] [Masked]MetaLogic: It should've been very HARD to reconstruct gray
[20:41] [Masked]MetaLogic: given his Smith codings
[20:41] Zippy the Squirrel: Yeah, it should have been left to the Players to find a way to reconstruct him.
[20:41] Zippy the Squirrel: Like with the Procurator virus.
[20:41] Zippy the Squirrel: Another good story item from the War arc.
[20:41] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yep
[20:42] [Masked]MetaLogic: and you know, it would've been awesome to see Cryptos join up with The Kid to kill The General
[20:42] [Masked]MetaLogic: Just because we would get "Veil's Crazy/Bi-Polar Org" SMILEY

[20:42] [Masked]MetaLogic: and hey, if you want to put this chat on DN1, go ahead, I have no problem with it
[20:46] [Masked]MetaLogic: SMILEY

[21:00] Zippy the Squirrel: It's gonna take a while to seperate our text to make it understandable.. SMILEY

[21:00] [Masked]MetaLogic: lol
[21:00] [Masked]MetaLogic: Sometimes I think we should contact Bill Gates
[21:01] [Masked]MetaLogic: and see if Microsoft Aces Studio will buy MxO
[21:02] Zippy the Squirrel: They're too busy working on a Halo MMO
[21:02] Zippy the Squirrel: Yay, CnC is installing! SMILEY

[21:02] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yay!
[21:02] Zippy the Squirrel: Finally, Kane's Wrath here I come.. after I'm done with this too long post.
[21:03] [Masked]MetaLogic: lol
[21:05] [Masked]MetaLogic: I wonder if we could make a petition for Rarebit to hire at least one Cyberpunk/Futurtistic writer.....
[21:05] Zippy the Squirrel: If we had the funds.
[21:06] Zippy the Squirrel: Which we do not, if you've been follwing the recent news.
[21:06] Zippy the Squirrel: Oh, yes, I wonder how they'll work around the lack of new cinematics.
[21:06] [Masked]MetaLogic: With The Sential apparently....
[21:06] Zippy the Squirrel: It better be an Epic Event (not Live) with something massive happening across all three servers.
[21:06] Zippy the Squirrel: No.. Sentinel article is boring.
[21:06] [Masked]MetaLogic: Oh God...I'm not a big fan of the Epic Event
[21:07] [Masked]MetaLogic: my computer lagged on the Smith event Recursion had
[21:07] Zippy the Squirrel: I don't mean an epic event, it's just a title.
[21:07] [Masked]MetaLogic: and it's a top of the line machine
[21:07] Zippy the Squirrel: I mean like a bunch of NPC spawns and a mission that puts you in the action that the cinematic would normally deal with.
[21:08] [Masked]MetaLogic: It sucks that SoE didn't seem to think to give us the same budget as last year when we had Chadwick and Cinematics so that we can at least hire another writer or a programmer.
[21:08] Zippy the Squirrel: I don't think we had the budget even when we had Chadwick. That's why he was let go.
[21:09] Zippy the Squirrel: His contract expired and we didn't have the money to renew it.
[21:09] Zippy the Squirrel: It seems odd that they'd throw away the Cinematic Animator, too.
[21:09] [Masked]MetaLogic: Too bad I wasn't playing in the Monolith Days...
[21:09] Zippy the Squirrel: The only Monolithic event I ever attended was Blue Sky.
[21:09] Zippy the Squirrel: I *loved* it.
[21:10] [Masked]MetaLogic: I was there too
[21:10] [Masked]MetaLogic: It was awesome
[21:10] Zippy the Squirrel: Blue Sky's the only reason that I've stuck with MxO so long.
[21:10] Zippy the Squirrel: I know, it sounds sad.
[21:10] Zippy the Squirrel: One event buys two years? But yes, that's how awesome it was.
[21:10] [Masked]MetaLogic: I'm just here because I'm hoping the story would get better...
[21:11] [Masked]MetaLogic: and every time I see a glimmer of hope
[21:11] [Masked]MetaLogic: I get a kick in the balls
[21:12] Zippy the Squirrel: *comical shrug*
[21:12] [Masked]MetaLogic: I was hoping we'd get a Blue Sky style event this year.....
[21:12] Zippy the Squirrel: Being a Smithling I enjoyed the Anniversary.
[21:12] Zippy the Squirrel: Too bad my new work schedule prevented me from actually ATTENDING IT.
[21:13] Zippy the Squirrel: *sigh*
[21:13] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yea but it's nothing special about it, It's just like the Holiday event or the Halloween event
[21:13] Zippy the Squirrel: You're saying you didn't enjoy Winter?
[21:13] Zippy the Squirrel: I love the concept of seasonal holidays.
[21:13] [Masked]MetaLogic: No, winter is awesome
[21:13] Zippy the Squirrel: Seasonal events*
[21:13] [Masked]MetaLogic: but comon it's Anniversary
[21:13] [Masked]MetaLogic: You should always do something special on Anniversary
[21:14] Zippy the Squirrel: Yeah!
[21:14] Zippy the Squirrel: Totally!
[21:14] Zippy the Squirrel: Like make with an awesome update!
[21:14] Zippy the Squirrel: That includes... stuff like...
[21:14] Zippy the Squirrel: A new area to roam!
[21:14] Zippy the Squirrel: With a lot of new content!
[21:14] [Masked]MetaLogic: lol
[21:14] Zippy the Squirrel: Like awesome data mining!
[21:14] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yes yes, Datamine is awesome
[21:14] Zippy the Squirrel: CAN YOU TELL I'M BEING SARCASTIC?!
[21:15] Zippy the Squirrel: Datamine's your Anniverssary event. Like it or love it.
[21:15] [Masked]MetaLogic: Don't make me get the Squirrel traps, and no it's not the humane one.
[21:15] Zippy the Squirrel: I don't care, I always have to keep from ultra-flaming the DN1 posts complaining about Smithversary.
[21:15] Zippy the Squirrel: So ignorant..
[21:16] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yes yes I am ignorant SMILEY

[21:16] [Masked]MetaLogic: Ok ok, so I admit that Datamine is awesome
[21:17] [Masked]MetaLogic: and I do appericate the work that went into it
[21:18] Zippy the Squirrel: Can you appreciate that Rarebit put so much of his time into it that he couldn't do anything about the temp-content of Aniverssary?
[21:18] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yes
[21:18] Zippy the Squirrel: Repeat after me: "Permanent content > Temporary content"
[21:18] [Masked]MetaLogic: I will if you promise not to include this portion in your DN1 post
[21:19] Zippy the Squirrel: I probably might have to... I'm highling each of our posts a different color and I'm noticing a distinct Rarebit flaming attitude in mine..
[21:19] [Masked]MetaLogic: "Pemanent Content > Temporary Content"
[21:19] Zippy the Squirrel: SMILEY

[21:19] [Masked]MetaLogic: lol
[21:19] [Masked]MetaLogic: Yay so we both get Rarebit's scorn
[21:22] Zippy the Squirrel: Normally I wouldn't care, but take note, Rarebit's in charge of the story now.
[21:22] [Masked]MetaLogic: Good or bad?
[21:24] Zippy the Squirrel: Hmm....
[21:24] Zippy the Squirrel: Good.
[21:25] Zippy the Squirrel: He's at least easy to offer criticisms of the story he writes, which I'm doing in this ranty post.
[21:25] Zippy the Squirrel: Easy = Open*
[21:25] [Masked]MetaLogic: Cool
[21:26] Zippy the Squirrel: Don't get me wrong, Chadwick's open, too. Back when he was the guy in charge of the story, Rarebit was sort of our liaison to him.
[21:26] Zippy the Squirrel: For that, Rarebit gets donuts.
[21:27] [Masked]MetaLogic: and Cheesecake
[21:27] Zippy the Squirrel: And I mean Dunk'n Donuts. None of that crappy greasy stuff Wal~Mart sells.
[21:27] Zippy the Squirrel: But that's a whole nother rant.
[21:27] [Masked]MetaLogic: Krispy Kreme is better

**ZippyTheSquirrel** · 04/01/2008 18:45:19

LONG POST IS LONG

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to go play Kane's Wrath or go lie down. Yeah, maybe lie down.

**MetaLogic**

To the Mods: ZippyTheSquirrel has my consent to post this.

**Rarebit**

Oh Zippy, you're so impatient.

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

Rarebit wrote:

Oh Zippy, you're so impatient.

I'm a squirrel, I have ADD. Plus I twitch a lot.

...and hide nuts.

...and then forget where I hid them.

**MotorZ**

Hmm...I wasn't gonna post anything more today (sub runs out tonight), but this had me intrigued. One thing I do wonder with Ch 10-12 is if any slight changes will still be made, considering nothing like cinematics have to be made long beforehand.

Also, I've always wondered why things like Sarah Edmontons or where Neo's/Morpheus's body is have never been resolved. It is difficult to put a movie storyline into a continuously moving story that has to be written as if it is never-ending (until Rarebit hears otherwise). Still, maybe it'd be better to resolve things before we take huge strides forward.

**odj**

Rarebit wrote:

...you're so impatient.

...there is cool stuffs coming with the story soon plz?

**TheUnknownShadow**

Aww you 2 are nuts (wonder how zippy will work that...)

I think there's been some very good moments in the story, however at the same time I'd have to agree with the issues you've pulled up here.

I'll reply to the problem about Sarah Edmontons story... and I hope that the response remains.... the thing before was that Sarah Edmontons was a specific character that Paul Chadwick wanted created. So the thing about that is that Rarebit wouldn't have been able to do much with that storyline while Paul was working on the game incase he'd put Sarah there for a specific reason. That's equally why when the name Sarah Edmontons was mentioned again, it was her friend and you'll notice that when you read through it her friend hardly touches on how she knows Sarah and is careful about giving out certain bits of information...

Anyway, I guess it will be Rarebit's choice now if that's developed further or not.

Danger_Frog1471

I dont even think i could comprehend most of that...

The story has had its good points and one thing i have to say is about anome and "pew pew" Now i donno about you but i still think the best animation out there is the code eyes, maybe its patially because we know we wont see it unless berin shows his ugly mug. On top of that, meatwad... I dont know about you but the most enjoyable event i ever had was chasing Anome around downtown on vector. As shite as lazers etc is it made for a great in game event and for that it doesnt matter that its lazers (:

Sarah: The character was created and mentioned and we havent heard of her since. Now lin the movies clues to the end plot twist are shown throughout the film. As this story is as you said continuous story plot clues are given constantly... Unfortunatly not as often any more since events tend to be created in a short view point in the future. But i guess all we can do it wait for it to be resolved sometime in the future.

Reinsertion: Ouch...that has to be the worst plot twist ever. Now... i dont know where it came from... but can we point the finger at someone? ...more importantly, should we? As far as RolePlaying goes you play along with the story. As far as im aware there was reinsertions in the past matrix storyline, yet not anymore? The question i ask is really you can't include yourself as anything much different than what your told you should.

According to the matrix storyline, we are all redpills. You choose to create a different or unique background story you have to be aware of EVERY detail of the story and to do that is impossible. I mean ok its not like you shouldnt RolePlay but you must be able to accept consequences of an evolving story especially if your background is based on a branch of the Giant tree we call the Matrix Universe. Ofcourse i didnt effect me but thats partially because i tend to stick small when it comes to created characters.

**Dripping-Cheese**

**Croesis** · 04/02/2008 06:30:57

Danger_Frog1471 wrote:

Reinsertion: Ouch...that has to be the worst plot twist ever. Now... i dont know where it came from... but can we point the finger at someone? ...more importantly, should we? As far as RolePlaying goes you play along with the story. As far as im aware there was reinsertions in the past matrix storyline, yet not anymore? The question i ask is really you can't include yourself as anything much different than what your told you should.
According to the matrix storyline, we are all redpills. You choose to create a different or unique background story you have to be aware of EVERY detail of the story and to do that is impossible. I mean ok its not like you shouldnt RolePlay but you must be able to accept consequences of an evolving story especially if your background is based on a branch of the Giant tree we call the Matrix Universe. Ofcourse i didnt effect me but thats partially because i tend to stick small when it comes to created characters.

This is, I admit, a sticking point... it did interfere with a lot of peoples RP but, for someone like myself who has watched the movies, the animatrix, played the games (not read the comics or graphic stories, perhaps I should) All I 'know' is that reinsertion is talked about but never shown. Perhaps it should have continued as one of those aspects that wasn't focused on, then again the deeper you go the more you find out, doesn't mean you'll like the truth. As you said you need to play along with the storyline and with this story what you 'know' may not necessarily be correct.

**Fen**

Vinia wrote:

Danger_Frog1471 wrote:
Reinsertion: Ouch...that has to be the worst plot twist ever. Now... i dont know where it came from... but can we point the finger at someone? ...more importantly, should we? As far as RolePlaying goes you play along with the story. As far as im aware there was reinsertions in the past matrix storyline, yet not anymore? The question i ask is really you can't include yourself as anything much different than what your told you should.
According to the matrix storyline, we are all redpills. You choose to create a different or unique background story you have to be aware of EVERY detail of the story and to do that is impossible. I mean ok its not like you shouldnt RolePlay but you must be able to accept consequences of an evolving story especially if your background is based on a branch of the Giant tree we call the Matrix Universe. Ofcourse i didnt effect me but thats partially because i tend to stick small when it comes to created characters.
This is, I admit, a sticking point... it did interfere with a lot of peoples RP but, for someone like myself who has watched the movies, the animatrix, played the games (not read the comics or graphic stories, perhaps I should) All I 'know' is that reinsertion is talked about but never shown. Perhaps it should have continued as one of those aspects that wasn't focused on, then again the deeper you go the more you find out, doesn't mean you'll like the truth. As you said you need to play along with the storyline and with this story what you 'know' may not necessarily be correct.

It's shown in the Matrix comics, which the canon of was never brought into question until MxO contradicted it. In my own RP, reinsertion's possible and the fact that Gray said it isn't is just another Machine lie. I don't really consider MxO canon, though. The storyline's more like an elaborate fan fiction than it is an extension of the Matrix.

**Croesis**

Fen wrote:

It's shown in the Matrix comics, which the canon of was never brought into question until MxO contradicted it. In my own RP, reinsertion's possible and the fact that Gray said it isn't is just another Machine lie. I don't really consider MxO canon, though. The storyline's more like an elaborate fan fiction than it is an extension of the Matrix.

I've heard (from somewhere, sure it was on DN1 somewhere, and don't ask me what parts as I haven't read them myself) that some bits of the comics contradict each other or some bit contradicted the movies... Like I said, I should probably read them for myself...