ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
monkeymanx8 wrote:ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:Likewise, we can't pretend that everyone blacked out for a year and all the Oligarch mess has been resolved and we're back into a shaky Cold War truce, because it's also extremely unbelievable, and there's too many plot holes that cannot be resolved by a thin recap.Says who? Rare's notes on the end of the Oligarchy story seem pretty conclusive to me. With that whole issue out of the way, everybody could get back to the fighting they were doing beforehand.You cannot just dump the storyline we're in now and skip ahead. You just can't. Few people are gonna go for it. Jacking in one day to see a MOTD "Welcome to Chapter 15. It's been several months since blah blah blah and this has happened and now we're doing this" will definitely p*ss people off. Or is it just me? Am I the only one who wouldn't want to see this thing brought to an end in its entirety?It just seems stupid to me. But hey, if I'm the only one thinking this, I'll back off, completely.
monkeymanx8 wrote:
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:Likewise, we can't pretend that everyone blacked out for a year and all the Oligarch mess has been resolved and we're back into a shaky Cold War truce, because it's also extremely unbelievable, and there's too many plot holes that cannot be resolved by a thin recap.Says who? Rare's notes on the end of the Oligarchy story seem pretty conclusive to me. With that whole issue out of the way, everybody could get back to the fighting they were doing beforehand.
Likewise, we can't pretend that everyone blacked out for a year and all the Oligarch mess has been resolved and we're back into a shaky Cold War truce, because it's also extremely unbelievable, and there's too many plot holes that cannot be resolved by a thin recap.
Says who? Rare's notes on the end of the Oligarchy story seem pretty conclusive to me. With that whole issue out of the way, everybody could get back to the fighting they were doing beforehand.
You cannot just dump the storyline we're in now and skip ahead. You just can't. Few people are gonna go for it. Jacking in one day to see a MOTD "Welcome to Chapter 15. It's been several months since blah blah blah and this has happened and now we're doing this" will definitely p*ss people off. Or is it just me? Am I the only one who wouldn't want to see this thing brought to an end in its entirety?
It just seems stupid to me. But hey, if I'm the only one thinking this, I'll back off, completely.
1. Remember Rare is the one who threw a complete storyline dump at us and bailed. Its not our fault we're in the situation we're in.
2. A good storyteller(s) can provide closure from one era (Chadwick, Chaimberlain) to bring us to another. For example, provide runthroughs of Chapters 12.2 through 14 via The Sentinal, at a brisk pace; and/or other mechanisms for getting us from here to there fairly quickly.
As far as I see it, everything that's happened post chapter 8 is side story and can be summed up fairly simply. I've done it in my own notes.
The state of war between humanity and the machines, I do not see going away without a considerable deal of grief, agony, and conflict.
I accept that 9-12.1 happened, because it was put into the game. I don't like it, but it happened.
12.2 and beyond never happened, and in my eyes, are disgusting. Gold hallways? Blah. Trinity-Player super fusion-ha super saiyan power go? No. Two Matrices? No way in hell. Peace? I don't buy it.
You wanna know what I want? I want Rarebit to stay onboard MxO. I want him to stay with the direction the story is going now, and go with that all the way to the end of Chapter 14, because I want to experience the Oligarchy story as best as possible.
Wanting is a wonderful thing, but the reality is that Rarebit's leaving, the story has already been dropped right infront of us, and sh1t is hitting the fan. If we ever want to do anything more with the MxO story, we either need to be given the resources to continue from 12.1 (extremely unlikely), or work with what we have. I don't like the idea of abandoning the story where it is now much more than you do, but I don't think there's much more we can do with it on our own at this point. You're most definitely not the only one thinking the way you are, but we just aren't capable of bringing a proper ending to the Oligarchy story.
Phrack wrote:
- Everything that happened before and leading up to 12.1, has actually happened (whether we like it or not).- Everything that happens beginning at and following 12.2 hasn't happened, and therefore has not been written in stone. What Rarebit posted was essentially an "Alternate Ending" to what could happen now... which could very well be much more epic, for all we know.- Discussion settled.
- Everything that happened before and leading up to 12.1, has actually happened (whether we like it or not).
- Everything that happens beginning at and following 12.2 hasn't happened, and therefore has not been written in stone. What Rarebit posted was essentially an "Alternate Ending" to what could happen now... which could very well be much more epic, for all we know.
- Discussion settled.
Rarebit said his "alternate ending" was approved by the Wachowski Bros. Regardless of whether it was truly executed, it's really a matter of opinion on whether you consider 12.2 and on to be canon. A lot of people would consider the W Bros' say-so to be absolute regarding The Matrix's story.
It would seem a bit short-changed and little rushed, but that's just me saying it. I like the outline that we have for Chapters 12.2-14, and while it might be a bit spoilery, I'd still like to see it fleshed out. I'd be a litte "huh? What happened? where are we going now?" if we glossed over the next six months or so of storyline. Blacking out for that long is a bit unrealistic (even for science fiction), since that would have to cover the whereabouts of the entire playerbase for that amount of time...
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Well first off, don't repeat what I've been saying back to me as an argument.
Secondly, "work with what we have" does not equal "ditch what we have and make something new."
psilody wrote:
Did you miss the part where the Bro's approved of this overall storyline? Get over it. Just because it doesn't interest YOU, doesn't mean it isn't interesting.
Guess what? That was a lie. The Brothers haven't had anything to do with this game since they gave Chadwick an ok on a brief overview. And then Chadwick hasn't had anything to do with the story since he "left." Most of this recent stuff has just been Rarebit, who has a mediocre grasp of the Trilogy at best, making things up, with the occasional input from us in LESIG.
The Bros approve of this storyline as much as Philip K. D1ck(YES SOMEONE HAS THE LAST NAME D1CK STUPID WORD CENSOR) approves of the Next storyline.
MatrixRefugee wrote:
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:monkeymanx8 wrote:ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:Likewise, we can't pretend that everyone blacked out for a year and all the Oligarch mess has been resolved and we're back into a shaky Cold War truce, because it's also extremely unbelievable, and there's too many plot holes that cannot be resolved by a thin recap.Says who? Rare's notes on the end of the Oligarchy story seem pretty conclusive to me. With that whole issue out of the way, everybody could get back to the fighting they were doing beforehand.You cannot just dump the storyline we're in now and skip ahead. You just can't. Few people are gonna go for it. Jacking in one day to see a MOTD "Welcome to Chapter 15. It's been several months since blah blah blah and this has happened and now we're doing this" will definitely p*ss people off. Or is it just me? Am I the only one who wouldn't want to see this thing brought to an end in its entirety?It just seems stupid to me. But hey, if I'm the only one thinking this, I'll back off, completely.It would seem a bit short-changed and little rushed, but that's just me saying it. I like the outline that we have for Chapters 12.2-14, and while it might be a bit spoilery, I'd still like to see it fleshed out. I'd be a litte "huh? What happened? where are we going now?" if we glossed over the next six months or so of storyline. Blacking out for that long is a bit unrealistic (even for science fiction), since that would have to cover the whereabouts of the entire playerbase for that amount of time...
Player Cinematics and Sentinal articles for 12.2 - 14.
Oh and I'm sure you can manage to RP that. You've probably already made up an RP story revolving around Patch Error -15.
Foxxdie wrote:
psilody wrote:Did you miss the part where the Bro's approved of this overall storyline? Get over it. Just because it doesn't interest YOU, doesn't mean it isn't interesting.Guess what? That was a lie. The Brothers haven't had anything to do with this game since they gave Chadwick an ok on a brief overview. And then Chadwick hasn't had anything to do with the story since he "left." Most of this recent stuff has just been Rarebit, who has a mediocre grasp of the Trilogy at best, making things up, with the occasional input from us in LESIG.
So Rarebit decieved us all along. And your evidence of this would be....?
I'm sorry, who are you again?
Villemar_MxO wrote:
Foxxdie wrote:psilody wrote:Did you miss the part where the Bro's approved of this overall storyline? Get over it. Just because it doesn't interest YOU, doesn't mean it isn't interesting.Guess what? That was a lie. The Brothers haven't had anything to do with this game since they gave Chadwick an ok on a brief overview. And then Chadwick hasn't had anything to do with the story since he "left." Most of this recent stuff has just been Rarebit, who has a mediocre grasp of the Trilogy at best, making things up, with the occasional input from us in LESIG.So Rarebit decieved us all along. And your evidence of this would be....? I'm sorry, who are you again?
He_Who_Knows_And_Spreads_The_Truth_All_Over_The_Ignorant_World
Neoteny wrote:
That stuff is only in Chapter 14. Are you going to dismiss everything else Rarebit planned based on just that?
And for those who hate the Oligarch storyline, is it only because they appear without RSIs, or do you have a more grounded dislike based on the scenario as a whole (their interactions with the Machines since the War, their domains across the globe, etc.)?
I like the idea of the Gold Hallways and the whiteout sky, very apt. The idea of Trinity merging with a player (or all players undertaking that mission) sounds a bit iffy tbh. The dual Matrices idea is interesting but basically would seperate the story from the player which is the same problem with the 'war' and current oligarch story.
Peace? I don't think would happen just like that. Restoration of the truce.. perhaps, better relations.. possibly. Peace? Nah.
Thing is, these were just sketchy plans, an outline it was never gonna be definitive.
Procurator wrote:
Neoteny wrote:12.2 and beyond never happened, and in my eyes, are disgusting. Gold hallways? Blah. Trinity-Player super fusion-ha super saiyan power go? No. Two Matrices? No way in hell. Peace? I don't buy it.That stuff is only in Chapter 14. Are you going to dismiss everything else Rarebit planned based on just that?And for those who hate the Oligarch storyline, is it only because they appear without RSIs, or do you have a more grounded dislike based on the scenario as a whole (their interactions with the Machines since the War, their domains across the globe, etc.)?
I think they had that much power over the machines, sureley they would have just took to over throw them eventually? I just don't like the idea of yet another party involved in the war. It just all seems a bit silly and something like fan fic to me. It just all got a bit ..ya know out there...in the movies, they always made you think this could actually be true..with this storyline its a bit like sureley people would notice?(The way it has admitedly been for most of MxO's storyline.) Also about the control they had over the machines, they sureley would have wanted to know what was going out and they sort of just ignored what happend in the matrix films time line? Without knowing about it?
I no longer feel, we can forget the silly storylines but we do have to move away and let go of them.
MatrixRefugee wrote:It would seem a bit short-changed and little rushed, but that's just me saying it. I like the outline that we have for Chapters 12.2-14, and while it might be a bit spoilery, I'd still like to see it fleshed out. I'd be a litte "huh? What happened? where are we going now?" if we glossed over the next six months or so of storyline. Blacking out for that long is a bit unrealistic (even for science fiction), since that would have to cover the whereabouts of the entire playerbase for that amount of time...Player Cinematics and Sentinal articles for 12.2 - 14. Oh and I'm sure you can manage to RP that. You've probably already made up an RP story revolving around Patch Error -15.
Player Cinematics and Sentinal articles for those chapters would be nice, but it really wouldn't hold a candle to actually playing out those events, but again, that's just how I see it.
And yeah, I did have an idea in the back of my head as to what was causing the Patch Error, but I wasn't sure if people would consider it feasible or if they'd accept it. I've had my ideas laughed at, which is one reason I tend to shy away from sharing big ideas about the universe.
We can't just pick up the storyline where Rare left off, for two reasons:
1) we have no story-telling DEV that has the tools to implement the story in a real and tangible way
2) the in-game artifacts left by the end of chapter 14 (gold hallways? NPC's?) will not exist
Any attempt on our part to continue through the end of the story as Rarebit envisioned it would be only be RP. There are a few creative people out there who have grandiose ideas about how to finish Rarebit stories off. It will be entertaining, to be sure. But in the end, there won't be anything that exists in the Matrix Online that will further the story.
Anyhow, I'm breaking my own rules.
I think if we want to stand still in time, we can. In my opinion, though, it would suck in the extreme. It would be incredibly boring because it's not the Matrix that we want. Machines not fighting the war they restarted just because of the Oligarchs that no one will ever see again. Zion trying to find the Trinity/BIP that no longer exists. The Merovingian trying to make friends with one while hunting the other. It's a perpetual deadlock that we can't break because we don't have the tools.
On the other hand, since RP is pretty much the only real tool we have at our disposal, we could make up our own d*** minds (as it was so eloquently put) to consider the story to be at an end. That is, we take the broad strokes of what Rarebit gave us for the final chapters and we agree that it has happened. Because let's face it, we can't really do anything else.
Cloudwolf thinks that we may never reach an agreement amongst ourselves. He's content to step back and wait for a Dev to make the choice for us. To me, this is not in the spirit of the Matrix, nor is it the concept that the Matrix Online was built around. "The future of the Matrix is in your hands." Remember that?
I say we wash our hands of this storyline. Get back to our roots. See what we can do with it.
