Why not use cows?

**Praey1**

In respnse to ArthurEld, just watch what happens to the sentinals attached to the Hover Neo and Trinity are piloting when they go for max altitude. We (humans), scorched the sky. Nuclear winter, electrical storms and constant electrified cloud cover stops them from leaving the earth's atmosphere. These storms act as a superior elctro magnetic pulse. What we did to them is exactly the same as what they did to us. Scorching the sky in the way we did has forever (possibly) trapped them. They created the Matrix based on what we did to them. Trapping us, keeping us from doing any more damage that they knew we were fully capable of and controlling us as best they could.

djliquidsmoke

hey, cows need grass, no sun no grass, you can't just feed cows, liquified cows, they're herbavores... so they would get MAD COWS DISEASE and end up dying too quickly.. thats why you can't use cows....

someone get me a steak- and a glass of milk! jeez

**Vaico**

djliquidsmoke wrote:

hey, cows need grass, no sun no grass, you can't just feed cows, liquified cows, they're herbavores... so they would get MAD COWS DISEASE and end up dying too quickly.. thats why you can't use cows....

someone get me a steak- and a glass of milk! jeez

MMM Steak.

Allegri

It's a mistake to take anything the machines say to the humans at face
value.   If you look at the history as shown in the
Animatrix, there's a lot going on that never makes it into the movies;
a lot of open questions.

It seems clear to me that the purpose of the Matrix as stated to the
humans is a fiction.   There is no need for human
batteries.   A form of fusion?   That's all the
power the machines need.   The Matrix is a system for keeping
the humans around, but preventing them from harming the
machines.   The "battery" story is just a way to make it
palatable - to avoid telling the humans that they don't have to fear
being wiped out by the machines, because the machines have chosen to
keep them around.

It's also important to understand that Smith's motivations aren't the
Machine's motivations.   Smith is a renegade; he is
insane.   This is true from the very beginning - you see that
he takes pleasure in Neo's fear when he makes Neo's mouth turn to putty
and seal up.     This is not consistent with the
attitude of the other agents, nor with the attitude of the machines
that Neo later meets.

Smith's soliloquy when he's interrogating Morpheus can't be taken to be
an explanation of the Machines' motives.   Likewise, the
Architect is a tool of the Machines.   The reasons he gives
for creating the Matrix may indeed be the reasons he believes are true,
but that doesn't mean that they are in fact the reasons why the
Machines made him and instructed him to create the Matrix.

The machines aren't dangerous in the same way that humans
are.   They are alien life forms - they don't think like
humans.   Their reasons are inscrutable.   They
will attack unexpectedly, and they will refrain from attacking
unexpectedly.   Look at the intro to the first Animatrix and
you might find a clue as to the motivation that underlies the creation
of the Matrix.

TranscendantJoke

Despite that, human intelligence is partly based on logic. Machine logic and human logic are not meant to be different. I would imagine their AI by this time would have some emotional scope, at least.

You can figure anything out if you stare at it long enough. Although the information may well be false, there is not enough proof. Though machines would be better suited to scientific study, that does not mean the chemical resources we enjoyed before the war are still available by any means.

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greaterdemon07

well look at it like this machines were built by humans at first (refer to the animatrix) so im guessing like humans they need some entertainment like we watch tv they watch the matrix?:smileyindifferent:

Gnev

I believe they used humans for their overwhelming body heat which could possibly be the source of thier energy...

plus with cows theyd have to make bigger pods and that would be a hassle.

Stormeagle13

Why have a matrix?

We keep animals in cages they can't do much about it.

No code =no way to glitch urself free

more physical struggle=more body heat

JMac · 03/15/2006 23:58:55

I already posted something regarding this on another post here in the Matrix Universe, but I think it rings true regarding this post as well.

Humanity, in our perceived "infiinte" wisdom, would have put in safeguards to ensure our safety against AI. The funny thing is, these safeguards weren't so much for our safety (or so I believe) but to ensure continued slavery of the machine intelligence. To have them do what we want. To make our lives EASIER.

The reason why there was a war between Man and Machine, as well the the creation of the Matrix, is once again a problem of CHOICE. Humanity perceived machines as just that. Machines. Lifeless. Feelingless. Robotic. They felt a set of rules would confine AI to a life of servitude. But these rules, these machines, were made in our likeness. Our essensce.

So think about the word.. artifical INTELLIGENCE. It is intelligence we have supplied the machines. There are many arguments about what defines intelligence.

Intelligence is often defined as the ability to adapt to the environment. Intelligent people can better understand what goes on around them so that they can respond to it in an effective way. Intelligent people are also good at learning various kinds of information, which they then can use to their advantage or for the benefit of others.

Artificial intelligence (AI) is a branch of computer science that strives to design systems that process information in a manner similar to the way a person thinks. A computer with artificial intelligence could perform such tasks as understanding language, planning to accomplish goals, learning from experience, and perceiving the world through vision, hearing, and other senses.

Knowledge representation and reasoning are two core problems in AI. There are three main approaches to these problems: (1) the logical approach, (2) the probabilistic approach, and (3) the neural network approach.

In the logical approach, programs reach conclusions based on series of "if-then" rules. A simple series of such rules might be structured as "If x is true and y is true, then z is true." The logical approach has led to the development of expert systems that solve particular problems. Such systems have been used in such fields as chemistry, geology, and medicine. However, each program requires many detailed rules and cannot reason effectively outside a narrow range of expertise.

In the probabilistic approach, knowledge is represented as numerical probabilities. Reasoning involves computing the probability of alternative conclusions given specific evidence.

In the neural network approach, knowledge is represented as a network of interconnected units that can perform certain tasks by exchanging information. This approach mimics the behavior of neurons, the cells in the brain that process information.

Boolean Logic and Statistics/Probabilities are too simplistic by themselves to help AI machines beccome self aware to understand concepts such as Life vs Death. But the Neural Network approach, combined with basic boolean logic and stats/probs to get the AI machine started, would allow them to eventually interpret information in a fashion that is more "human like" in nature. It is possible that this process would allow them to move beyond any safeguards built into the program.

So I believe, even with safeguards protecting humanity from AI, we provided the machines with the abiltiy to interpret the world around them. We provided the Machines with a way to overcome the bounds of their programing. To evolve beyond it. If you think back to Animatrix... the story about B12, or whatever it's name was, why was he the first AI program to kill a human? Because with his human designed AI, it interpreted that it was no longer going to operate and it reacted in a way to protect it's own existance.

But because machines are made in our own likeness, I do believe they have certain charactistics that pass down from generation to generation. Hence the will to survive (human characteristic) and purpose (programing - the need to serve humanity). Humanity started the war. Humanity blacked the sky. Not the machines. How did they repay us? They created a false utopia that covered both needs, survival (power harnessed from humans) and servitude.

The timeline of the Matrix is still in dispute. But based upon reserach going back to the movie Matrix, and moving forward, my feelings are that the History of the Matrix extends beyond 600 years. The survival and servitude traits are still in effect. The Machines don't have to have the Matrix to keep their own survival intact. They could have humans permamently comatosed to draw the necessary power w/o the need for the Matrix. Plus I'm sure they have come up with other means of power using fusion.

So programs the Machines have created for the Matrix may be confined to the rules that are written and therefore the rules define their reality. Which is where the Merovingian and the Trainman come in to help over turn those rules. But the Machines themselves are under no such rules, and hence they created their own reality. Serving Humanity is still a function they still feel they need to conduct due to their need for purpose. Survival is no longer a priority since they have already mapped out acceptable levels of existence in case the Matrix no longer provided a source of energy. IMHO

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betaprimus

why not just use cows

the answer

the machines need 2 things to survive

power, and purpose

a matrix full of cows feeds the power issue, however beyond maintence bots and matrix programs to grow grass, a good portion of the machines would fall into obsolecense, and when that happens you got an agent popping up to delete a machine program, or a sentinal bum rushing a robot

without the complications the humans create for the machines, many machines would lose purpose and would no longer exists

the machines need humans to serve their function

**Zampano1981**

backwards logic.

The machines do not create their function, they are designed to fulfill a function. If Cows had been used then machines would be designed with the functionality to deal with this. If a machine/Programs funtion becomes obsolete it has two choices, return to source or become an exile, it cannot go on to create itself a function as this is outside of its programming.

Machines utilise humans for two reasons. Firstly, if humanity were not enslaved then the war with the machines would still rage on, costing the machines resources. Or alternatively the human race would be wiped out.

secondly, Human beings are the most abundant source of Bio-energy. Their numbers far exceed the number of cows (especially since the nuclear war destroyed much of the real and killed off most natural life)

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

Hmmph. It's like Smith says:

"Humans are a disease. They multiply, and multiply..."

Humans have a notorious gift for....ah....expotential reproduction.....touchy subject. Hey, what's that over there?

What's in a cow litter? What's in a human litter, potentially?

Also, Machines "understand" humans a little more than cows.

Then again.......heh hehh heh....Burly Brawl, cow-style......Oh my God....think of the innocent nearby squirrels....

phaydren

well IMHO there is one program that redesignated itself a purpose

SMITH

he became obsessed with controlling the matrix - humilitaing neo and attemting to destroy him

if thats not a purpose that he came up with himself then i dont know what is.

SMILEY

betaprimus

seiphroth wrote:
well IMHO there is one program that redesignated itself a purpose
SMITH
he became obsessed with controlling the matrix - humilitaing neo and attemting to destroy him
if thats not a purpose that he came up with himself then i dont know what is.

yep... and we see the results of one program redesignating itself a purpose...