EPN sets off code bombs?

**Illyria22**

Morpheus himself set off code bombs, in an attempt to blackmail the Machines into returning Neo's body. He understood that this would lead to the deaths of bluepills, even admitting it to the Oracle, but he didn't care. And this was while the truce was still in effect.

Lyr

**Croesis**

Did Zion declare him renegade before or after he started his bombing campaign?

**monkeymanx8**

Archangel wrote:

Seriously, if you can't understand EPN history then why bother even being in the org if you're just going to run around with all these misconceptions.

It's not that I don't understand EPN history, it's the fact that I was never told. (( I joined this game in '06 )). I've never seen a code bomb go off, and up until very recently had never even heard of one, or a code pulse. So, I did the logical thing and actually found out so that I new the truth. Besides all that, there are other reasons to be in EPN other than just setting off code bombs and CPD's.

**Archangel** · 06/24/2008 12:17:51

monkeymanx8 wrote:

Archangel wrote:
Seriously, if you can't understand EPN history then why bother even being in the org if you're just going to run around with all these misconceptions.

It's not that I don't understand EPN history, it's the fact that I was never told. (( I joined this game in '06 )). I've never seen a code bomb go off, and up until very recently had never even heard of one, or a code pulse. So, I did the logical thing and actually found out so that I new the truth. Besides all that, there are other reasons to be in EPN other than just setting off code bombs and CPD's.

Wasn't really directed at you, more of a general statement. I've seen similar things in the past quite a bit. EPN members not knowing the difference and acting like they do or calling a CPD a bomb when it's clearly not.

But at least you did ask.

I'd suggest running the 4.2 archive missions. They'll talk alot about the birth of EPN.

**GamiSB**

Vinia wrote:

Did Zion declare him renegade before or after he started his bombing campaign?

Before, he himself left Zion and shortly after he started making threats Zion disowned him.

**Croesis**

GamiSB wrote:

Vinia wrote:
Did Zion declare him renegade before or after he started his bombing campaign?

Before, he himself left Zion and shortly after he started making threats Zion disowned him.

Ok, thanks.

Chemuel

Vinia wrote:

Did Zion declare him renegade before or after he started his bombing campaign?

Zion had identified Morpheus as a rebel even before the first film. Imagine if you were in the Army, and one of the generals said that he was going to go invade a country and look for Jesus. Yeah.

**Croesis**

Chemuel wrote:

Zion had identified Morpheus as a rebel even before the first film. Imagine if you were in the Army, and one of the generals said that he was going to go invade a country and look for Jesus. Yeah.

Yeah I realise that but there is a difference between being defiant, resisting authority, control, tradition etc... and someone who completely deserts a party or cause for another. While a rebel can turn into a renegade, it doesn't necessarily mean s/he will. Although it seems Morpheus made the transition quite easily.

**Vaico** · 06/26/2008 02:33:43

There were many that tried to stop Morpheus. I would also love to see where Morpheus told the Oracle he knew Code Bombs had the chance of killing blue pills?

**Othinn1**

Vaico wrote:

I would also love to see where Morpheus told the Oracle he knew Code Bombs had the chance of killing blue pills?

How wouldn't he know? Surely he wasn't naive enough to believe that every bluepill released by a code bomb would quickly be saved by hovercrafts. Especially when many Zionists were busy defusing his bombs.

Phrack

Personally, I've always been finicky about the concept that code bombs "kill" bluepills at all.

I've never seen a shred of evidence to suggest that this would happen, other than the RP of other players who assume that code bombs do kill bluepills. Other than that, the only other thing that would even slightly suggest that they would result in the deaths of bluepills are the scattered bluepill bodies that remain after a detonation... but we should be smarter than to believe that. Remember, Michael Popper woke up on his own, and it left a "dead body" behind too.

Death in the Matrix != Death in the Real.

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

Popper was different. He knew something was wrong, his mind was prepared to accept the shock of waking up in a pod of goo. Plus, Neo & company may have been watching him the whole time (very likely, they were the ones to call him) and quickly jacked his pod to make sure he could get out.

The other blues didn't have that luxury and were forced to flail about until they choked on their own goo.

Phrack

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Popper was different. He knew something was wrong, his mind was prepared to accept the shock of waking up in a pod of goo. Plus, Neo & company may have been watching him the whole time (very likely, they were the ones to call him) and quickly jacked his pod to make sure he could get out.

The other blues didn't have that luxury and were forced to flail about until they choked on their own goo.

Certainly possible.

But it does not mean that every bluepill body seen following a code bomb detonation is a bluepill that has died in the real.

Even the excuse of there not being enough hovercraft around to save them kind of falls apart when you look into the "cycle" of how all freeborn humans are killed by the Machines, until one wakes up and frees the first few. How the the first awakened redpill survive, without hovercraft to save him from the sewers?

I'll say it again. Death in the Matrix does not always necessarily mean death in the real, to assume it does is ignorant.

**Croesis**

Code bombs reveal the truth, forcefully, to bluepills. Those who's minds cannot accept it, i.e. completely dependant on the simulation to live, would die, those that could would stand a better chance at surviving but are likely to either drown/choke in their pods, or if they get flushed before drowning, they would be unlikely to have the energy and/or muscle power to keep from drowning for any length of time. Their location in the towers would be random so there is no possibility of predicting where a random bluepill would wake up therefore where they would end up to be saved by hovercraft. Multiple hovercraft would also be more likely to be spotted by the Machines.

So thinking about it logically, the codebombs may not cause death directly 100% of the time but unless the person was really lucky, that bomb would be the cause of their death, indirectly.

**Croesis**

Phrack wrote:

How the the first awakened redpill survive, without hovercraft to save him from the sewers?

There will be at least one hovercraft piloted by at least one of the survivors from the previous iteration.