Neo eventually attained another level of awarness by extending his powers into the real world. This put him at a significant advantage. Not only could Neo alter the code of the matrix, but he could also control the machines in the real world. It was necessary for Smith to then overwrite himself onto the Oracle's code to gain a new level of awareness.
Paraphrasing Smith, in Reloaded:
"I don't know exactly what happened. Something copied, overwritten... I'm not sure what happened, but I had to come to you."
I've always read that as:
"Guess what, the Architect coded me some new abilities!"
Message Edited by TheRedeemed on 07.06.2006 07:50 PM
I don't believe that Smith was programmed to be Neo's opposite or that he, specifically, was intended to be the one to balance the equation. The anomoly was inevitable due to the nature of the Matrix, but that didn't mean that Neo had, specifically to be the one who would become the Anomaly. Neo still had a choice, and didn't become the Anomoly until he believed and started choosing to be the Anomaly. When Neo said to the Oracle, "I'm not the One", note her response, in effect, was "You're not the one (yet). You're waiting for something." Until Neo chose to accept his "fate" and begin acting as the Anomoly, he was just another coppertop. However, if he had not chosen to fulfill this role, someone else inevitably would have.
However, the role that Smith played was not inevitable. I don't see any indication that there was a counter-part to Smith in the other iterations of the Matrix. I'm not saying that there could not have been, just that there wasn't. Indeed, if there had been, then the Matrix would have been destroyed, since the past Anomolies all made the choice to save the Matrix by returning to the source, then choosing 15 others to re-populate Zion. If a Smith had arisen in those instances of the Matrix, there would have been no one to keep him from taking it over and, in the end, destroying it.
Had he not given in to the compulsion to stay in the Matrix, Smith would have been deleted. I believe that, just as Neo had to make a choice, so Smith made a choice to hide in the Matrix. If his was not a choice, he would not truly have been the balancing factor to the Anomoly. Thus, he was a program who stayed in the Matrix rather than accept his fate (to be deleted). As such, he fits the definition of an Exile.
ConfederateXP wrote:In the second and third movie, we see Agent Smith (now simply Smith) coming back into the Matrix. After he fails to destory Neo, he was susspose to report for deletion, but a part of Neo copied on over to Smith, and as a result, Smith felt compelled to disobey, compelled to stay. Since in The Matrix world, when a program wants to hide from deletion, they go through the Merovingian and hide in The Matrix as an exile. Would Smith qualify as an exile?
It is my understanding that Smith does not go through the merovingan and therefore would have only been allowed to remain in the matrix via the Architect. As far as I'm concerned any program that remains inside the matrix after it has been assigned for deletion is an exile by definition.
So... Neo gets an exploited rez from trinity in the loading area to come back to life, so the Architect says ok, that is fine, I see what you are doing, guess what...
I can esploit as well & then gives Smith an Auto-Recon.
omg guys just because smith said it doesnt make it through, the oracle explains how smiths was revived and given the powers he had.
if you havent figured it out yet she said and i quote " its the system trying to balance itself out" hmm i wonder who is in charge of that " his job is to balance the equation" yes thats right you figured it out it was the architect, using the idea that for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction what i am telling you would make perfect sense. as see throughout the films Smith is more of an individual than the other agents as you see in the first film where he removes his earpiece to talk to morpheus.
By now you will realize that smiths had 2 purposes one of which was to serve the system as an agent while he waited for the time to fulfill his other purpose, you know what i am going t osay here, yes thats right the destruction of the one, smith states in the second film "its going exactly as before." "well not exactly."
can you see my logic here
so to summerize what i have said the architect modified smith to be the opposite of the one t obalance the equation, neo was not like the other ones there was something different, therefor there was something different with smith after his ressurection.
The answer is very simple. Smith is an exile.
An exile is any program that has deviated from its original design and is no longer able to carry out its designed purpose.
Smith was created to be an Agent. As he evolved, he began to bend his programming and eventually rebelled against the system when he faced deletion. Why did he face deletion? Simple, as the Oracle says:
"Maybe it breaks down. Maybe a better program is created to replace it - happens all the time, and when it does, a program can either choose to hide here, or return to The Source." Smith choose to hide. After Neo destroyed him, his imprint gave Smith the power to choose exile. Neo gave him the gift of choice. As a result, Smith became an anomaly in his own right.
Regardless of what Smith became, his original purpose was just supposed to be an Agent. He evolved and grew, thus leading to his exile and eventual ascension to being the "Many".
IMHO.
Garu
you do not get it do you, perhaps you need ot watch the films again, or atleast read the posts before you reply isntead of just the Subject
The oracle told Neo that smiths new form was the System trying to balance itself out, yes thats right both smith and Neo are variables in an equation to the architect because neo was a variable that was unbalanced he modified smith in an attempt to create the balance.
Just because smith says "perhaps something was passed over to me, soemthing overwritten." doesnt mean it is so as from the rest of the dialogue in that scene you can see that smith really doesnt understand why he is still alive and why he can do the things he can do.
He could not of chosen exil because he was ressurected to fulfill a new purpose which he clearly states, the destruction of the one not the one as in the anomaly but the one as in the individual, Neo.
Ok, I'd like to address the fact that I don't appreciate you insulting me.
Secondly, I don't care if the system decided to make Smith come back as a pop-tart. An exile is any machine program that has deviated from his original design and hides rather than returning to the Source.
"You destroyed me, Mister Anderson. Afterward, I knew the rules, I understood what I was supposed to do but I didn't. I couldn't. I was compelled to stay, compelled to disobey. And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed - I'm unplugged - a new man, so to speak, like you, apparently free."
Not 5 minutes after the Oracle tells Neo about programs returning to the source or hiding, in comes Smith reiterating that same message. The Source scheduled him for deletion. He chose not to obey and flee back to the Matrix as stated.
So despite whatever Smith's destiny was, he deviated from his original purpose. That of being a system Agent. Therefore, he became an exile by classification. But if we're arguing semantics, then I'll compel myself to say that he became a virus.
exile = rogue program loose in the Matrix beyond the system's control.
how am insulting you man, if you took it as an insult i will apologies.
as i stated earlier the oracle mentions thats smith was the system trying to balance itslef out. Smith wsa an individual from the begining as you clearly see fro mhis talk with morpeus. if you dont want to be soemwhere and your told you have ot stay there are you going to listen, i think not smith clearly wanted out of the matrix. samith clearly did not understand why or how he was even alive so i doubt he understood that he was being manipulated. yes thats right i say manipulated because we all know you cannot control an individual. Smiths Code was rewritten so who knows what other changes may of been made, such as the desire to destroy the one perhaps
god i hate this no editing crap
Two words from your quote help state my point above "apparently free."
and like i siad earlier your are judging this mainly on smiths dialogue which is ridiculous.
how can smith be an exile when he was fulfilling is purpose.
as stated by a progam in the Mobile Ave although his name i cannot remember said " a program must have a purpose or it is deleted.
Why would the Architect ressurect Smith without giving him purpose, i know your going to say he disobeyed that purpose but what i state above explains what i am talknig about. Smith thought he was supposed to return to the source, although he was really supposed to defeat the one as he discovers at a later stage. what would compel you to stay in a place you do not want to be in
You're argument is based on a presumption that the Architect and/or the System resurrected Smith and designed him to fulfill a new purpose.
My argument is based on the idea that Smith was meant to be deleted, but was able to avoid that deletion (as all exiles do) and returned to the Matrix with a purpose of his own.
Neo created "Smith", not the system. In doing so, Smith became an anomaly like Neo. But as Neo chose to save, Smith decided to destroy...everything, starting with the Matrix.
"Perhaps some part of you imprinted onto me, something overwritten or copied. That is at this point irrelevant, what matters is that whatever happened, happened for a reason."
But as I said prior, Smith was no longer "plugged in" to the System. Therefore he was no longer subservient to the system. That in itself classifies him as an exile. I don't care what new purpose he chose for himself, he was still a rogue program.
An exile does not have to be employeed by the Merovingian, nor does he have to enter the Matrix via the Train Station. An exile can simply be a program that worked for the machines, but choose to remain inside the Matrix once they became obselete.
I think our problems lies in that we cannot agree on what constitutes a program being an exile.
Despite the fact that Neo destroyed Smith, the agent programs were upgraded. Given what we learn from the Oracle, a program faces deletion when it breaks down or a better version comes along. Taking that into consideration, Smith/Brown/Jones were replaced by Thompson/Johnson/Jackson.
When it came time to return to the Source, Smith fled while Brown/Jones accepted their deletion. Smith was consumed by rage and chose to seek out the one who took his purpose away and destroy him, Neo.
An exile chooses to hide rather than face deletion, right?
Otherwise they're not an exile, they're deleted.
Regardless of how Smith came to become a virus (whether it was Neo, the Oracle or the Architect), he was no longer an Agent, right? In the machine world there is only black and white. You are either a part of the system or not (exiled). Smith was obviously fulfilling his own agenda despite what influences the system may have had on him. Ultimately he became the "Many" in contrast to the "One". But he remained an exile, nonetheless.
If he was not an exile, the Source could have destroyed him at any time. Neo's assistance would not have been necessary.
It's been a while since I debated like this.
do you recall the part of the last film where neo talks to the architect in the machine city. there he says "the smith program has grown beyond your control".
so he was being controlled at some point since his ressurection.
also he only really discovers his purpose after converting the oracle, he could not see past the choices he had made because he didnt understand why he made them, but the architect did because he was the hand that influenced him.
your probably gonna say " yeah well thats all well and good But ........................."
but you know i already know what you are going to tell me
during the final battle between Smith and Neo, Smith reveals to us his purpose, so if he has a pupose and is fulfilling it then he is not an exile.
you are now probably going to quotte somethingg i have previously said to negitate my reply, somthing along the lines of "smith clearly did not understand why or how he was even alive so i doubt he understood that he was being manipulated. yes thats right i say manipulated because we all know you cannot control an individual. Smiths Code was rewritten so who knows what other changes may of been made, such as the desire to destroy the one perhaps"
Before you attempt that you must realise that when smith converts a person or program they the knowledge and memories of that program or person, as we clearly see just before he converts the oracle as he quotees words that only Sati heard the oracle speak.
The oracle knew why smith was alive, she knew his purpose, she even told us in her usual roundabout way.
i see where your coming from but if you notice i am using the exact pieces of information you are using and more.
I managed to nail it down to a t on the old forums, alas i am unable to find that post.
when a program dies it cannot be ressurect itself, as you can see throught the films programs are killed and they dont come back.
now you will tell me that the oracle did come back.
i will tell you this is untrue because nowhere in the films does it mention her dying only that she found herself a new shell, this does not mean her old one was destroyed it was probably just damaged beyond repair.
if they could come back why did the Merv cave when Trinity put a gun to his head.
The only way for a program t ocome back after dying is for the matrix to be restarted or the architect to to rebuild you.
who repaired the matrix after Smith was defeated, have a guess, yes thats right the architect.
Now your probably gonig to say to me "the architect could of restarted the matrix and destroyed smith if he had that much power."
What would of happened to the matrix if smith got his hands on the architect, who knows, what i do know is that the architect fled to the machine city to escape smith.
you cannot be an branded an exile in a world in which only you inhabit
