So-- hacking into the Matrix from your ship at broadcast depth is...what? Safe? Unintrusive?

Oh wait, let me guess, you Machinists get 'special access' so that's it's not 'hacking' technically...

CPD's have never had any long term detrimental affect on the prison construct. Please refrain from fear-mongering in the absence of supporting evidence.

 

Well if you want to go that route, then I'd be willing to bet our broadcast signal is more welcome than yours in the Matrix.

If you're comparing such an act to a "barrage of hacks and dirty code deep into the system, uncovering and transmitting data that would otherwise not be reachable", we might as well end this debate right now.

This will only end in disaster.

Again, you have no opposing evidence to say that there is no detrimental effect over the long term.

And you have no evidence to say that there is.

To be honest, there is a far greater amount of evidence in support of the CPD, being that they have been used over the course of two years without any damaging effect. Long-term effects would generally show themselves within such a timeframe. However, you can pull that "the jury's still out" card as much as you like on the long-term - you still have no evidence that there is any impact whatsoever. What is certainly known is that there is no short-term impact which does throw support to their use.

Not that I'm opposed to leaving an impact. I just hate watching Machinists clutch at straws all the time.

Again, you have no opposing evidence to say that there is no detrimental effect over the long term. The only evidence you are willing to present is that there has been no evidence thus far.

Year One: No noticeable side effects or recordable after-effects to the simulation.

Year Two: Still nothing.

How is this not good enough for even the most scrupulous followers of the scientific method? It's like saying Santa Clause may yet be real; just because we've never seen him doesn't mean he's not!

While the code of the simulation was written by the Machines, adding a new program, one that does something that was never intended by the simulation, could have long term consequences. Deny it all you want with the same old flimsy excuse, the devices get you results so who cares what actually happens to the simulation and it's bluepill population?

ShiXinFeng wrote:

So-- hacking into the Matrix from your ship at broadcast depth is...what? Safe? Unintrusive?

Oh wait, let me guess, you Machinists get 'special access' so that's it's not 'hacking' technically...

CPD's have never had any long term detrimental affect on the prison construct. Please refrain from fear-mongering in the absence of supporting evidence.

 

Well if you want to go that route, then I'd be willing to bet our broadcast signal is more welcome than yours in the Matrix.

If you're comparing such an act to a "barrage of hacks and dirty code deep into the system, uncovering and transmitting data that would otherwise not be reachable", we might as well end this debate right now.

This will only end in disaster.

 

How is what a CPD does that much different from hacking into a tenuous, inherently-unstable simulation for the purpose of injecting into a closed system personalities that may further destabilize the Matrix simply by being there?

Vinia wrote:

Again, you have no opposing evidence to say that there is no detrimental effect over the long term.

And you have no evidence to say that there is.

To be honest, there is a far greater amount of evidence in support of the CPD, being that they have been used over the course of two years without any damaging effect. Long-term effects would generally show themselves within such a timeframe. However, you can pull that "the jury's still out" card as much as you like on the long-term - you still have no evidence that there is any impact whatsoever. What is certainly known is that there is no short-term impact which does throw support to their use.

Not that I'm opposed to leaving an impact. I just hate watching Machinists clutch at straws all the time.

While the code of the simulation was written by the Machines, adding a new program, one that does something that was never intended by the simulation, could have long term consequences. Deny it all you want with the same old flimsy excuse, the devices get you results so who cares what actually happens to the simulation and it's bluepill population?

Were the actions of the program Smith intended by the simulation? I guess we both agree that they were not. And still, after the program deletion, the system was reset in a few seconds. Completely. As if nothing happened. And the bluepills were ok. S please, do not under-estimate the flexibility of the Matrix and it's capacity to get any corruptions fixed.

For now, all you say about any harm, caused by CPD, is a pure speculation. Nothing more. 

Neoteny wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Again, you have no opposing evidence to say that there is no detrimental effect over the long term.

And you have no evidence to say that there is.

To be honest, there is a far greater amount of evidence in support of the CPD, being that they have been used over the course of two years without any damaging effect. Long-term effects would generally show themselves within such a timeframe. However, you can pull that "the jury's still out" card as much as you like on the long-term - you still have no evidence that there is any impact whatsoever. What is certainly known is that there is no short-term impact which does throw support to their use.

Not that I'm opposed to leaving an impact. I just hate watching Machinists clutch at straws all the time.

Lack of short term effects does not negate long term effects, without any apparent study you do not even know of an adequate timeframe for effects to manifest themselves. Again using the flimsy excuse that so far they don't not seem to have any apparent effect is quite ridiculous, especially when you say it's greater evidence. Using something for it's immediate benefit and not even bothering to study any possible long term effects is simply irresponsible considering where it's being done.

How do you study that which manifests no physical or psychological attributes? What is this supposed to be, a ghost hunt?

And besides, if a few of the Sleepers get the idea that what they are being force-fed here ain't exactly kosher, well...all the better for the future of humanity.

In any case, like Zu-Zu said, just try and stop us from using them.

Michael1 wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

I haven't seen EPN blow any code bombs in... years.

Well, okay, there was Taecross. And Taecross's fan club with their annual code bombings. But those guys are just crazy. ;p

And as far as I know the Code Pulse doesn't actually do any damage to the Matrix (i.e. freakin' out the code, drowning blues).

Edit: And again I haven't seen any Code Pulsing since the Morpheus Returns events.

2 weeks ago we blowed a couple code bombs to distract the Cypherites.

Code bombs have the green code effect, Code pulse devices use yellow/gold code. Are you sure it was green?

How do you study that which manifests no physical or psychological attributes? What is this supposed to be, a ghost hunt?

And besides, if a few of the Sleepers get the idea that what they are being force-fed here ain't exactly kosher, well...all the better for the future of humanity.

In any case, like Zu-Zu said, just try and stop us from using them.

Were the actions of the program Smith intended by the simulation? I guess we both agree that they were not. And still, after the program deletion, the system was reset in a few seconds. Completely. As if nothing happened. And the bluepills were ok. S please, do not under-estimate the flexibility of the Matrix and it's capacity to get any corruptions fixed.

For now, all you say about any harm, caused by CPD, is a pure speculation. Nothing more. 

Vinia, does the fact that your bosses lose a few of their energy batteries drive you so stressed?

Seriously, just go and suggest to your leaders to effectuate a research on the effects of a CPD. When you get any official info about it, we'll have something to discuss. Untill such a research is done, we have no discussion subject here. 

Vinia, does the fact that your bosses lose a few of their energy batteries drive you so stressed?

Seriously, just go and suggest to your leaders to effectuate a research on the effects of a CPD. When you get any official info about it, we'll have something to discuss. Untill such a research is done, we have no discussion subject here. 

You have no evidence that they cause any damage, longterm or shorterm.

Your point is moot.

Still prevention is better than a cure, so you'd better expect us to try stop you from using them.

Your whole argumenation, especially this quote, sounds exactly like G. W. Bush administration's one when the were preparing the Iraq war .

And anyway, you still seem to have all the excuses for not willing to suggest any research on the subject. It is quite possible EPN will discuss the question - I will do what I can to get this done. You can also try to get some solid arguments - or just stop speculating please. 

You can also try to get some solid arguments - or just stop speculating please. 

You have no evidence that they cause any damage, longterm or shorterm.

Your point is moot.