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Jacked Out

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Yay for new content that replaced old free content.. that i can now no longer get.

Is it just me or does having a three mission arc that is only playable fully if your level 50 with im guessing 50 rep sound like the stupidest invention ever. Now out of the three characters that i play fully and collect items and do missions on, one can complete the arcs the other two cant get past the first mission.

Even in theory it doesnt make sense. In order to actually get the full progressive story you have to be a required level and rep? So what your saying is as a level 30 with 30 rep you can only get the first mission of each arc which while essentially give you a snipit of the story and leave you with massive gaps every month or whatever? Its utterly stupid to be honest. 

Its a great idea the static replayable story quests but that catch needs to be seriously reviewed. Feel free to point out where the good points are in this system and correct me, as it stands though: Unimpressed.

 

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It's 60 rep and no it's not a stupid idea.  If you can't put forth the effort to hit 50 then you shouldn't be rewarded with "free content".  God forbid you work for something.




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I agree wholeheartedly Dangerfrog.  High level != canon enlightenment.  I hate leveling so immesurably much, but still spent the weekend finally (3 years, give or take a day) getting to 30, just to find out that I could only do the first mission.  It makes sense for the items, not for the quests.


Message edited by Eleutherophobia on 11/10/2008 05:40:09.



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Did you guys forget this is a game?




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Garu wrote:

It's 60 rep and no it's not a stupid idea.  If you can't put forth the effort to hit 50 then you shouldn't be rewarded with "free content".  God forbid you work for something.

Its not putting forth effort to hit 50 as it stands i've "put forthe the effort" three times and going for the fourth. I've worked my butt off over the past three+ years putting sometimes more than i should into this game and now to be shunted sideways its silly.

Its not that im not receiving it i can still attain the missions fully on one side but more that i can get only the first arc of a mission every month... *That* is whats stupid. If your going to make it available to that level either make it all available to 30+ or even it out by making it a middle figure and keeping it that way for every mission arc. 



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I would never want to tell someone how to spend their $15 but hitting 50 should be a priority.  If you cannot be bothered to level, then unfortunately you're now limiting yourself not only just from the story but the other content as well.




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I told you its not just that the content is unattainable but that its partially attainable. Just so happens one of my 50's has lower rep and i have a char im leveling on recursion thats 39 either way i should either get all of the story content or none of it. Partials is just plain stupid.



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Level requirements for the items - Yes, as in almost every other game and in fact life, if you want the best stuff you have to work for it.

Level Requirements to do the missions - I think it's a bit silly when the Rep requirement and area the missions are set in can dictate levels.


Message edited by Croesis on 11/10/2008 05:58:12.



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Danger_Frog1471 wrote:

I told you its not just that the content is unattainable but that its partially attainable. Just so happens one of my 50's has lower rep and i have a char im leveling on recursion thats 39 either way i should either get all of the story content or none of it. Partials is just plain stupid.

As far as I understand your situation, you are getting all of your orgs content. The other story content is the other orgs content. Which, like in the previous system, you wouldn't be able to access other orgs story content anyway and as Vinia said, some items have to have level restrictions on them. It's normal. Otherwise the buffs would be worse, more so.


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Yea see that i can agree with but merging the two is unacceptable, they just cant be mixed fairly. I think the level requirement for the missions should be moved to the trade for the items or removed completely (remember the level requirement on the item itself will still stand)



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Yasamuu wrote:

Danger_Frog1471 wrote:

I told you its not just that the content is unattainable but that its partially attainable. Just so happens one of my 50's has lower rep and i have a char im leveling on recursion thats 39 either way i should either get all of the story content or none of it. Partials is just plain stupid.

As far as I understand your situation, you are getting all of your orgs content. The other story content is the other orgs content. Which, like in the previous system, you wouldn't be able to access other orgs story content anyway and as Vinia said, some items have to have level restrictions on them. It's normal. Otherwise the buffs would be worse, more so.

No don't get me wrong yas it was never all available in the first place, so it shouldnt be now. But a level 30 with 30 rep can only attain part of they're own orgs story every month. A little silly if you ask me...



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Danger_Frog1471 wrote:

No don't get me wrong yas it was never all available in the first place, so it shouldnt be now. But a level 30 with 30 rep can only attain part of they're own orgs story every month. A little silly if you ask me...

Just a reminder that even a lvl 50 with 30 rep couldn't do all the crits in the old system... Of course a level 20 (for example) with 60 rep could do all of them.

So yeah, as I said, it should be the area that dictates the level requirement (of course you could always tag along with a 50 to see the story) for a lone player.


Message edited by Croesis on 11/10/2008 06:09:49.



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50 rep was required to do the final critical mission in the old system.  60 is just 10 more missions, give or take.  I knocked mine out in an hour and was running the 3rd mission immediately afterwards. 




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Rarebit wants the items to be somewhat challenging to obtain so he has to make the missions difficult. The last mission requires you to defeat a non-scaling Level 55 NPC for Zionites/Machines, and two non-scaling Level 53 NPCs for Merovingians. You would have to be Level 50 anyways to do the mission and complete it.




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Mathalos wrote:

Rarebit wants the items to be somewhat challenging to obtain so he has to make the missions difficult. The last mission requires you to defeat a non-scaling Level 55 NPC for Zionites/Machines, and two non-scaling Level 53 NPCs for Merovingians. You would have to be Level 50 anyways to do the mission and complete it.

Well if it wasn't down to the fact that you could invite a lvl 50 to tear through it, then an NPC scaled to 5 levels above the mission starter's level would also be a challenge. I can see what Rarebit was wanting to do though. I love the challenge these missions bring.


 
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