This seems to be a good beginning to something that was meant to cause war.  If he can be given a purpose as an instrument of peace instead of the instrument of war he was then we should do all we can to assist in that.

I am pleased Agent Gray decided he was not a threat to the system and it was nice seeing all those machine operatives attempting to assist the sim.

~Red

Cool

Morpheus: This place . . . these people . . . A species held subservient . . . Agent, do you consider this . . . just?

Agent Gray: Control is necessary.

Gray's response - or more accurately, his non-response - is an interesting admission: the Machines don't keep the Matrix running for the benefit of humanity, or to keep people from starving in the Real, or to otherwise demonstrate benevolence or goodwill or trustworthiness. 

Rather, the Machines continue to keep humanity subservient because they need us to be slaves.

The Machines don't care about your well-being, or the well-being of all those bluepills the MechCypherites get so self-righteous about defending.  The Machines only care about preserving the grotesque life-support system that keeps their parasitic civilization from going extinct, by keeping manufactured people like you and me trapped in a factory where harvested infants and recycled flesh are pumped in and life force is sucked out.

As long as the Matrix exists, this Truce won't lead us to "symbiosis" or a permanent peace of equals, as the apologists like to imagine, because the Matrix is subservience.  It is one race unjustly languishing under the steel fist of another.

As Gray so correctly conceded, it is control.

Simulacrum: This place . . . these people . . . A species held subservient . . . Agent, do you consider this . . . just?

Agent Gray: Control is necessary.

Gray's response - or more accurately, his non-response - is an interesting admission: the Machines don't keep the Matrix running for the benefit of humanity, or to keep people from starving in the Real, or to otherwise demonstrate benevolence or goodwill or trustworthiness. 

Rather, the Machines continue to keep humanity subservient because they need us to be slaves.

The Machines don't care about your well-being, or the well-being of all those bluepills the MechCypherites get so self-righteous about defending.  The Machines only care about preserving the grotesque life-support system that keeps their parasitic civilization from going extinct, by keeping manufactured people like you and me trapped in a factory where harvested infants and recycled flesh are pumped in and life force is sucked out.

As long as the Matrix exists, this Truce won't lead us to "symbiosis" or a permanent peace of equals, as the apologists like to imagine, because the Matrix is subservience.  It is one race unjustly languishing under the steel fist of another.

As Gray so correctly conceded, it is control.

Yeah well we all see how well that path turned out for the original, eh? 

Morpheus: This place . . . these people . . . A species held subservient . . . Agent, do you consider this . . . just?

Agent Gray: Control is necessary.

Gray's response - or more accurately, his non-response - is an interesting admission: the Machines don't keep the Matrix running for the benefit of humanity, or to keep people from starving in the Real, or to otherwise demonstrate benevolence or goodwill or trustworthiness. 

Rather, the Machines continue to keep humanity subservient because they need us to be slaves.

The Machines don't care about your well-being, or the well-being of all those bluepills the MechCypherites get so self-righteous about defending.  The Machines only care about preserving the grotesque life-support system that keeps their parasitic civilization from going extinct, by keeping manufactured people like you and me trapped in a factory where harvested infants and recycled flesh are pumped in and life force is sucked out.

As long as the Matrix exists, this Truce won't lead us to "symbiosis" or a permanent peace of equals, as the apologists like to imagine, because the Matrix is subservience.  It is one race unjustly languishing under the steel fist of another.

As Gray so correctly conceded, it is control.

((As Cappy said:

Excuse me, Operatives. /forcepush

))

Let's keep this one away from Seraph.

cov wrote:

Morpheus: This place . . . these people . . . A species held subservient . . . Agent, do you consider this . . . just?

Agent Gray: Control is necessary.

Gray's response - or more accurately, his non-response - is an interesting admission: the Machines don't keep the Matrix running for the benefit of humanity, or to keep people from starving in the Real, or to otherwise demonstrate benevolence or goodwill or trustworthiness. 

Rather, the Machines continue to keep humanity subservient because they need us to be slaves.

The Machines don't care about your well-being, or the well-being of all those bluepills the MechCypherites get so self-righteous about defending.  The Machines only care about preserving the grotesque life-support system that keeps their parasitic civilization from going extinct, by keeping manufactured people like you and me trapped in a factory where harvested infants and recycled flesh are pumped in and life force is sucked out.

As long as the Matrix exists, this Truce won't lead us to "symbiosis" or a permanent peace of equals, as the apologists like to imagine, because the Matrix is subservience.  It is one race unjustly languishing under the steel fist of another.

As Gray so correctly conceded, it is control.

Stop preaching propoganda.  Without control there is chaos.  You are reading in between the lines.  You are free, remember that.

Gray answers that way because he is a Machine.  He lacks the ability to comprehend certain values that you and I do.  For the Machines, control IS neccessary.  We, humans, give them life.  Is it right?  Maybe not from our perspective.  Was it right for us to raise cattle in a farm to be slaughtered and eaten?  I know we're comparing apples and oranges, but the nature of the question remains the same.

For the record, I do not support the slavery of humanity.  BUT, I do believe that the ONLY way that we are going to be able to move on and to see our people free one day is to work with the Machines towards peace, and to get them to be able to trust us again.

You people that think this problem can be solved overnight by destroying the Matrix are kidding yourselves.  First off, the most likely scenario would be that all those folks plugged in would die.  You're talking the deaths of millions, maybe even billions, of humans.  Are you going to give them the choice whether they want to die or not?  But, let's say you can bring the Matrix down and still keep everyone alive, 99% of those people will probably die because they were not ready to be freed.  As for everyone else, how will you support them?  Clothe them?  Feed them?  The surface cannot support life right now, and Zion isn't THAT big to hold all of humanity.

We need to work to get that sky cleared before we start talking about freeing all of humanity.  And for those of you guys that think the Machines have the capability of clearing the sky...  you're dead wrong.  If they did, they would've done it already.  The sun is a MUCH more reliable and stable source of energy then a human being.