I'd be having to cut myself a break at the same time Maybe the tone of the original post was a little inflammatory, but this is - in terms of MxO - a contentious topic. There's been plenty of good, solid discussion on the matter, but then someone had to petition for it to be closed, probably because they RP a vamp and their sensibilities were tingling. (Maybe that didn't happen, but given the timespan of the thread, all moderators saw it and didn't see anything wrong, and when Walrus intervenes it's usually down to a report somewhere) What piddles me off on this board (going by past experiences) is that anything remotely contentious that has a relatively large backing gets shot down (by means of lobbying the Big Boss) in double-quick time. It's almost as if people are *scared* of having a serious discussion that will inevitably throw up a flame or three. This place would scare the hell out of them
You really don't get it do you?
Walrus is the Community Relations guy. It's his job to weigh in on issues like this.
Nor does this thread appear to be closed ... yet ...
Get your facts straight.
P.S. Due to a lack of an edit button I'd like to add this.
That arstechnica place is full of carebears.
Try http://www.firesofheaven.com/ instead.
Where real flamers live and erupt ...
well, basically. the only one around here that doesnt take themselves seriously is.. me =D
many in this thread are getting their panties tied in a square over what.. opinions? i just wanted to share mine and see how many, if any, agree. its funny how almost all the anti-something-or-other opinions i have find plenty of sympathy ingame, but when its time to step up to the plate on forum, im the lone voice of dissent on certain issues.
some ppl in this thread really need to get over themselves. if anyone has anything else to say on the subject of rp, im still willing to listen.
another thing i think alot about lately is some sort of standard convention for rp pvp, near a populated area. in the middle of some rp, its not like everyone can say k time out lets all hardline out to (somewhere) so that the usual jackasses dont jump on us just cuz we're flagged.
how to come up with a standard, universal way to let ppl in the area know that the ongoing pvp between certain ppl is rp? one problem many have is that most factions have a pvp policy citing that red = dead. this just isnt practical in some cases.
..and ill wrap this up tonite, im late for work. crap. haha i suck =D
I have to admit that I don't understand what's so cool about vampires, since my first exposure to the idea of vampires was the original legends that Bram Stoker spun/twisted into the modern vampire: the vampires of legend were elemental entities that passed as ordinary people, except that they drew off the lifeforce from people, animals, crops, etc. causing plagues and crop failure and famines.
I'd like it if more people chose to think outside the coffin -- er, box and try RPing some other kind of mythological/supernatural critter. I know one gal who RPed a ghost. What about an angel? I haven't played "The Path of Neo" yet, but I've read through the strategy guide and I seem to remember a sidebar where the Wachowski Brothers mentioned there being things like elves/faeries in the Merovingian's realm. How about a sphinx in human form, who speaks in riddles? I'd do it myself, but I've been playing my character as a straight human and I don't see how I could turn her into anything like that. ...Though she *is* fond of mucking around in the water, so it's possible I could turn her into a water nymph. I just don't know how that could happen, at least at this point.
Anytime I see someone RPing a vampire or other supernatural entity, I always just see him/her as a Redpill who has embraced the culture of a myth and decided to dedicate him or herself to mimicking the superstitions and traditions set up by the mythology. Perhaps people encounter a blooddrunk or whatever and are so captivated by its lifestyle that they're inspired to make themselves in that image - say people who love a legend like Star Wars so much they dress as closely as they can to Luke Skywalker and actually try to harness the power of the Force (Oh, they're out there.) Even today, in this day and age, people are enamored by the vampire mythos. A myriad of movies and shows are produced based on the old tales of blood-drinking undeads, and there's a growing subculture of people who go to clubs and such in the fashion of vampires. Hell, there have been cults that carry out grotesque acts in the name of "vampiredom", such as sacrificing innocent victims and drinking their blood. So for me, it's not hard at all to believe a Redpill who is into the whole scene would desire to carry out his virtual life in this manner. Perhaps for intimidation; perhaps for a sense of mystery; perhaps to just fulfill a fantasy. Whatever the reason, it's their prerogative.Now, far be it for me to say that an Awakened couldn't somehow have his or her RSI corrupted in such a way that they exhibit actual properties of a vampire or lupine when jacked into the System. I can't find a concrete reason to dismiss it completely. I just don't think it's proper to the story - or decent roleplay - to pass yourself off as an actual blooddrunk or Succubus, who adheres strictly to the rules of the superstitions (i.e., must be killed by wooden stakes, are here to devour my soul). It is because of this I try to observe supernatural RPers in the way I explained, not as Stoker's Dracula.
Anytime I see someone RPing a vampire or other supernatural entity, I always just see him/her as a Redpill who has embraced the culture of a myth and decided to dedicate him or herself to mimicking the superstitions and traditions set up by the mythology. Perhaps people encounter a blooddrunk or whatever and are so captivated by its lifestyle that they're inspired to make themselves in that image - say people who love a legend like Star Wars so much they dress as closely as they can to Luke Skywalker and actually try to harness the power of the Force (Oh, they're out there.) Even today, in this day and age, people are enamored by the vampire mythos. A myriad of movies and shows are produced based on the old tales of blood-drinking undeads, and there's a growing subculture of people who go to clubs and such in the fashion of vampires. Hell, there have been cults that carry out grotesque acts in the name of "vampiredom", such as sacrificing innocent victims and drinking their blood. So for me, it's not hard at all to believe a Redpill who is into the whole scene would desire to carry out his virtual life in this manner. Perhaps for intimidation; perhaps for a sense of mystery; perhaps to just fulfill a fantasy. Whatever the reason, it's their prerogative.
Now, far be it for me to say that an Awakened couldn't somehow have his or her RSI corrupted in such a way that they exhibit actual properties of a vampire or lupine when jacked into the System. I can't find a concrete reason to dismiss it completely. I just don't think it's proper to the story - or decent roleplay - to pass yourself off as an actual blooddrunk or Succubus, who adheres strictly to the rules of the superstitions (i.e., must be killed by wooden stakes, are here to devour my soul). It is because of this I try to observe supernatural RPers in the way I explained, not as Stoker's Dracula.
Ok..
Blooddrinkers and Lupinies are ok.. ((with me anyway, not for the author of this thread though)) But acting like a vampire?? Arent we supposed to be redpills from when we are awakened??? *sigh*
Keep it real guys, we are redpills, not vampires.. *sigh* dumbasses..
aye. redpill != vampire. a redpill is a human who jacks in from time to time and has no bigger fangs than i do. theoretically, the appearance and any other trait of an RSI could be modified ad infinitum.. this could explain things like fangs, long scary black capes, tophats, and various other psuedo-goth gayness.
but, it doesnt. cuz no ingame redpills have fangs or cybernet eyeballs or whatever. sorry d0odz. no blood sucking for j0o. granted, there could be something implemented in the future which would let us change at least the basics such as RSI haircolor. but, things like fangs or cybernetic stuff etc that revolve around rp depend too much on artist time for models, i guess. bottom line its just never gonna happen, at this rate.
when these guys have to recycle old missions into new content, i dont see any vampire fangs, cats claws, or robot arms in the near future for us. now if they were to take some ideas (-cough- such as weapons design/storage/retrieval, antigravity) from the so-so movie with milla jovovich called Ultraviolet, thatd suit me fine and most of it would be 'matrixy,' and whos to argue. defying physics is what the matrix is about, in part.. since its not real.
all of this would make by far more sense and be more matrixy than.. blahhh! blahhhh! *swishes cape* blahhhh!
but i understand completely, O Ye Mervs. im no typical male but hey kate beckinsale can suck my blood anytime.
Well, as of the age question... mmmight be that you're right to some extent. I'd say that generally, the maturity level does grow with the age. Big, fat zoom at "generally", because the drift from this principle can be more than significant -- as already said, there are probably (can't confirm it myself) some kids in this forum who are much more mature than some of the adults.Yeah definitely. I've been amazed in the past to find that a guy I thought was probably 25+ was actually 13 (!!!) and near enough vice versa. It's a funny old thing ... So, you could generally rather expect the young ones to do any kind of more or less immature actions ingame than the older ones. Now, in what way can you attach vampire RP to maturity? Yes, it can be immature, thoughtless vamp RP. It can also be thought out and intelligent (aside from being questionable in its "canon" aspect). Following the principle from above, older players would be rather expected to do the mature vamp RP, while younger ones would rather do the immature (childish) version. On the other hand, exile RP is just a too specific topic -- basically, RP in general. There is also a ****load of other things, ooc, that can be judged after maturity. And thus, you could say that it would be rather the teens to do the immature thing than the adult ones. Probably. And, as I said, vampire RP can be both. Is generalising really logical here? Wannabe vampires? I haven't really made experiences with such movements, or groupations. But I do think adults can very well be parts of such -- after all, it's also not only teens taking drugs and stuff. Hmm. Also, I don't think that playing a vampire in a game, be it smart or not, really says much about your real life preferences.I can only speak from personal experience, so maybe I'm wholly wrong. But anyway ... It has been my experience that a lot of the 'vampyres' in real life are disaffected teenagers. Let's be honest, it always was, is, and always will be a minefield out there for high-school people. The onus is on looking beautiful or fading into mediocrity. The whole 'Goth' movement that gained serious ground from the time I started HS to the time I finished it was the major group that you belonged to in order to "be different" and somehow stand out other than being in the 'beautiful people' group.Somehow, somewhere along the way, the whole 'vampyre' thing worked its way into the mix.Everyone I've come across that is into that kind of thing (and I'm only 21, so I don't have a huge wealth of experience) is somebody attempting to break the 'mold' of what is supposedly 'expected'.The irony is of course that now everyone is doing it, so you're leaping headlong from one faceless 'group' into another. As a friend of mine once put it "Look at me! Now I'm different, just like everybody else!"As these people have grown up, gone to University, etc., they've tended to ditch the 'lifestyle' because they realise that you don't have to be weird/wacky/'out-there' for people to notice and respect you. Mervs? Well, does your personality really influence your org affiliation in the game? If you're RPing to the extent of seriousness that you chose the org to work for after your character's personality, I guess it's likelier that you play a redpill (seriousness, canon and so). If you intend to play a vampire, I guess the most logical decision is to go to the Merv anyway -- as already said, working for any other organization would be at least questionable. IC, I also thing that it's rather those redpills working for the Merovingian with the most vampire tendences. "Most people who posted happen to be young, or merv, or wannabe vampires." (the sentence my post is about anyway). Well, I guess I could say that I've posted here. Young? Yes, but I don't do any kind of RP whatsoever -- certainly not vamp one. Merv? Well, my Syntax character is Merv, but I hardly play with that one -- only for crits. Wannabe vamp? Nah - and I can't remember any others here, personally.
Well, as of the age question... mmmight be that you're right to some extent. I'd say that generally, the maturity level does grow with the age. Big, fat zoom at "generally", because the drift from this principle can be more than significant -- as already said, there are probably (can't confirm it myself) some kids in this forum who are much more mature than some of the adults.
Yeah definitely. I've been amazed in the past to find that a guy I thought was probably 25+ was actually 13 (!!!) and near enough vice versa. It's a funny old thing ... So, you could generally rather expect the young ones to do any kind of more or less immature actions ingame than the older ones. Now, in what way can you attach vampire RP to maturity? Yes, it can be immature, thoughtless vamp RP. It can also be thought out and intelligent (aside from being questionable in its "canon" aspect). Following the principle from above, older players would be rather expected to do the mature vamp RP, while younger ones would rather do the immature (childish) version. On the other hand, exile RP is just a too specific topic -- basically, RP in general. There is also a ****load of other things, ooc, that can be judged after maturity. And thus, you could say that it would be rather the teens to do the immature thing than the adult ones. Probably. And, as I said, vampire RP can be both. Is generalising really logical here? Wannabe vampires? I haven't really made experiences with such movements, or groupations. But I do think adults can very well be parts of such -- after all, it's also not only teens taking drugs and stuff. Hmm. Also, I don't think that playing a vampire in a game, be it smart or not, really says much about your real life preferences.
I can only speak from personal experience, so maybe I'm wholly wrong. But anyway ... It has been my experience that a lot of the 'vampyres' in real life are disaffected teenagers. Let's be honest, it always was, is, and always will be a minefield out there for high-school people. The onus is on looking beautiful or fading into mediocrity. The whole 'Goth' movement that gained serious ground from the time I started HS to the time I finished it was the major group that you belonged to in order to "be different" and somehow stand out other than being in the 'beautiful people' group.
Somehow, somewhere along the way, the whole 'vampyre' thing worked its way into the mix.
Everyone I've come across that is into that kind of thing (and I'm only 21, so I don't have a huge wealth of experience) is somebody attempting to break the 'mold' of what is supposedly 'expected'.
The irony is of course that now everyone is doing it, so you're leaping headlong from one faceless 'group' into another. As a friend of mine once put it "Look at me! Now I'm different, just like everybody else!"
As these people have grown up, gone to University, etc., they've tended to ditch the 'lifestyle' because they realise that you don't have to be weird/wacky/'out-there' for people to notice and respect you.
Mervs? Well, does your personality really influence your org affiliation in the game? If you're RPing to the extent of seriousness that you chose the org to work for after your character's personality, I guess it's likelier that you play a redpill (seriousness, canon and so). If you intend to play a vampire, I guess the most logical decision is to go to the Merv anyway -- as already said, working for any other organization would be at least questionable. IC, I also thing that it's rather those redpills working for the Merovingian with the most vampire tendences. "Most people who posted happen to be young, or merv, or wannabe vampires." (the sentence my post is about anyway). Well, I guess I could say that I've posted here. Young? Yes, but I don't do any kind of RP whatsoever -- certainly not vamp one. Merv? Well, my Syntax character is Merv, but I hardly play with that one -- only for crits. Wannabe vamp? Nah - and I can't remember any others here, personally.
Coer wrote:I'd be having to cut myself a break at the same time Maybe the tone of the original post was a little inflammatory, but this is - in terms of MxO - a contentious topic. There's been plenty of good, solid discussion on the matter, but then someone had to petition for it to be closed, probably because they RP a vamp and their sensibilities were tingling. (Maybe that didn't happen, but given the timespan of the thread, all moderators saw it and didn't see anything wrong, and when Walrus intervenes it's usually down to a report somewhere) What piddles me off on this board (going by past experiences) is that anything remotely contentious that has a relatively large backing gets shot down (by means of lobbying the Big Boss) in double-quick time. It's almost as if people are *scared* of having a serious discussion that will inevitably throw up a flame or three. This place would scare the hell out of them You really don't get it do you?Walrus is the Community Relations guy. It's his job to weigh in on issues like this. Nor does this thread appear to be closed ... yet ...Get your facts straight.
P.S. Due to a lack of an edit button I'd like to add this.That arstechnica place is full of carebears.Try http://www.firesofheaven.com/ instead.Where real flamers live and erupt ...
