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Ascendent Logic

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So, what are y'alls opinion on dreams?  Do they hold any significant meaning, do they predict future events, or is it just the unconscious mind projecting it's thought?  I've been pondering some dreams that I've been having lately.  They all shared a common theme and I've dreamed about this theme about five nights in a row now.  The last time I had several dreams in a row that has a common theme to it, later on that theme carried out in real life.  So, I'm just wondering if maybe I'm having these dreams five nights in a row for a reason, or am I just projecting what I want to happen in my dreams in hope that they do happen in real life.

So, MxO Players, what do you think of dreams, do they predict future events, do they hold any meanings, or are they just nothing more than movies we watch while we're asleep.  Also, have you ever had several dreams in a row that has a common theme?



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Mine do, always. They summarize the last day or two's events for me and point out interesting things that I should've focused on more when they actually happened. Sometimes they also help me whenever I get writer's block. In fact, for the past several weeks all I've been dreaming about is what I'm writing, and it's been doing wonders according to my test readers.



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The dreams I've been having for the past four or five days all have to do with me and my ex being together again.  I dunno if it's just my own wants and desired being projected into my dreams, or if my dreams are telling me that this will happen soon.  The last time I dreamed about her like this was right before I started talking to her in High School.



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I don't see dreams being anything more than our minds shifting things about a bit, organising our thoughts from the past few days and putting them in order. Not very efficiently either if we're forced to watch a lot of it.

I can trace every element of my dreams to something said, seen or thought about in the last week. Doesn't mean they're boring, mind.



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I dreamt last night that I had a sister named, Raeli. Which is strange, because I don't have a sister nor a brother. That's about all I remeber from it though. I tend not to dream that often.



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I have mediums in the family, so I grew up with opinions on that SMILEY

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Well my opinion has varied over the years. Most notable when I have a dream about say a vocal conversation and a snippet of that conversation plays out word for word. It kind of freaks me out it's happened about six times in my life.


Also as someone who has experimented slightly with certain reality altering things I also feel we know very little about the human reality as a species. The brain is a very complicated machine and mankind and it's technology have only started to move forward with finding out the secrets of it. Alot of people describe K Holes third eyes and other effects which most people simply dis regard as an induced negative reaction. I think sometimes it's rewiring especially when many doctors believe certain things don't leave any lingering physical side effects yet cause flash backs and other interesting results.

Now another thing to ask is if there are other species out there what is their reality like? We get so tied up on air breathing blood type skin tone when we think about these things we forget about how a brain might be wired on a totally different level than ours.  It could be inferior or superior or simply different.  For all we know the dream could be a exclusive thing to certain mammals and such as an instinctual self defense mechanism for their thought process. Dog's dream dolphins dream cold blooded animals dream but do they dream the same? Is it the same dream process?

Another avenue that must be explored are the first hand effects seen on the human mind when under the care of a skilled hypnotist. These types of "Dreams" if you call them that can pre condition the mind in a very powerful negative or positive manner. They can help people quit smoking and other addictions forget periods of time on the fly and many other questionable things if the dream is simply a human reaction to life. Hypnotism and its practice suggest in itself that the dream process is a healing avenue and should not be dis regarded.

Right now as far as I'm concerned mankind is in the very first stages of unlocking it's secrets. The biggest mistake we could make as a truth seeking species by nature would be to take a dogmatic and archaic approach to anything regarding this until we can come up with medical proof otherwise that dream's are meaningless. I mean it makes sense right? If everyone in the United States was born with a debilitating dis associative mental dis order the government would obviously expend resources to investigate such a phenom.What makes you think they may not already be doing so with dreams? What makes you think me and you know the truth? They said the world was flat Nixon was a good man and Bill Clinton didn't like under oathe.. I don't know about dream's but I'll tell you one thing Ill stick with the safe political and scientific bet.


Were not being told everything and our leaders don't know anything.





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privaron0 wrote:
Well my opinion has varied over the years. Most notable when I have a dream about say a vocal conversation and a snippet of that conversation plays out word for word. It kind of freaks me out it's happened about six times in my life.


Also as someone who has experimented slightly with certain reality altering things I also feel we know very little about the human reality as a species. The brain is a very complicated machine and mankind and it's technology have only started to move forward with finding out the secrets of it. Alot of people describe K Holes third eyes and other effects which most people simply dis regard as an induced negative reaction. I think sometimes it's rewiring especially when many doctors believe certain things don't leave any lingering physical side effects yet cause flash backs and other interesting results.

Now another thing to ask is if there are other species out there what is their reality like? We get so tied up on air breathing blood type skin tone when we think about these things we forget about how a brain might be wired on a totally different level than ours.  It could be inferior or superior or simply different.  For all we know the dream could be a exclusive thing to certain mammals and such as an instinctual self defense mechanism for their thought process. Dog's dream dolphins dream cold blooded animals dream but do they dream the same? Is it the same dream process?

Another avenue that must be explored are the first hand effects seen on the human mind when under the care of a skilled hypnotist. These types of "Dreams" if you call them that can pre condition the mind in a very powerful negative or positive manner. They can help people quit smoking and other addictions forget periods of time on the fly and many other questionable things if the dream is simply a human reaction to life. Hypnotism and its practice suggest in itself that the dream process is a healing avenue and should not be dis regarded.

Right now as far as I'm concerned mankind is in the very first stages of unlocking it's secrets. The biggest mistake we could make as a truth seeking species by nature would be to take a dogmatic and archaic approach to anything regarding this until we can come up with medical proof otherwise that dream's are meaningless. I mean it makes sense right? If everyone in the United States was born with a debilitating dis associative mental dis order the government would obviously expend resources to investigate such a phenom.What makes you think they may not already be doing so with dreams? What makes you think me and you know the truth? They said the world was flat Nixon was a good man and Bill Clinton didn't like under oathe.. I don't know about dream's but I'll tell you one thing Ill stick with the safe political and scientific bet.


Were not being told everything and our leaders don't know anything.




Very well put I must say.

Now m sure some of you know that we all have particles of matter, at the sub-atomic level, that come in and out of existance. Where they go, know one knows. But under an electron microscope the fact is there. (if you havent seen the movie "What the BLEEP! do we know?" I suggest you rent or DL it if this subject interests you).

Its MY belief that our dreams are our minds attempting to, subconciusly, tap into that other realm or an 8th dimension, so to say. I've awoke from dreams on numerous occaisions feeling the sensory perception of what was going on while I was dreaming, a chill from the cold, or the feel of a hot chick, or the wetness of the water. Whatever the scenario or place/event. I have actually awoke to these stimuli. Now I wouldnt go as far as Wes Craven did, and enable a human to grab a physical object and bring it into our plain of existence, as he did in "A Nightmare on Elm Street". But......look at what we have learned in only the past 50 years. what do the next 50 hold?

These are exciting times for humanity. But also a time where knowledge can be used in sinister ways by those that have it.

As the previous post said. "We are not being told everything".  And I dont think anyone in thoer right mind would argue that fact.

 

 

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MxO_Neopill wrote:

Now m sure some of you know that we all have particles of matter, at the sub-atomic level, that come in and out of existance. Where they go, know one knows. But under an electron microscope the fact is there.

SMILEY

Come in and out of existence? Every particle we've seen can be traced back to a reaction, each of which can be explained. There's nothing mysterious going on.

MxO_Neopill wrote:

As the previous post said. "We are not being told everything".  And I dont think anyone in thoer right mind would argue that fact.

I wouldn't, no. But it's not because 'they' are hiding things, it's because 'they' don't know everything. Sure, governments have their state secrets, corporations have their trade secrets, but the academic community isn't hiding anything. The very way it works prevents that from happening.

Everything you've mentioned about feeling sensations in your dreams or waking up with the feelings last felt in your dreams can be explained by the way our brains work. It's just neurons firing off, electrical signals running through our brains coming into contact with other neurons that have particular effects on the whole. We pretty much know how the brain works; it's a matter of mapping it out.

Don't get me wrong, the things our brains do are very significant, as are the things we can do to stimulate our brains. Hypnotism, psychiatry and the like, they're all rooted in some sort of science. They just tend to get obfuscated a bit, which leads a lot of people to think there's weird stuff going on.

Sorry if I come across as harsh, but I am a physicist. SMILEY

Message edited by Procurator on 06/08/2008 15:26:39.



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Procurator wrote:
MxO_Neopill wrote:

Now m sure some of you know that we all have particles of matter, at the sub-atomic level, that come in and out of existance. Where they go, know one knows. But under an electron microscope the fact is there.

SMILEY

Come in and out of existence? Every particle we've seen can be traced back to a reaction, each of which can be explained. There's nothing mysterious going on.



Yes sir. If you dont believe me. You may need to visit a quantum physics professor near you. Or even easier, rent the movie "What the Bleep do we know?".

http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/bleep/


Message edited by MxO_Neopill on 06/08/2008 15:32:13.



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Heh. I'd rather not, ta. From the looks of things the academic community isn't too fond of that film.

Then again, outright refusing to listen to the other side would make me look dogmatic in my own right. Meh, maybe I'll see if I can find it if I'm in the mood for a laugh, maybe see how much of it conflicts with my physics degree and what the quantum physicists I personally know are saying.



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Procurator wrote:
Heh. I'd rather not, ta. From the looks of things the academic community isn't too fond of that film.

Then again, outright refusing to listen to the other side would make me look dogmatic in my own right. Meh, maybe I'll see if I can find it if I'm in the mood for a laugh, maybe see how much of it conflicts with my physics degree and what the quantum physicists I personally know are saying.
Seen it. If you watch it it'll change the way you view everything around you, altho it has different effects on different people of course.


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I think what you're talking about, Neopill, is also explained in that movie.  In the movie, they talked about how actual happenings and memories of events work the exact same way in our brians.  It seems to me like that could be extended into dreams.  You have a dream or a memory of being in the water and maybe you could literally feel like you were in the water.

I saw the movie but it didn't change my life, although that could be because I was skeptical of the whole thing from the start.  Although I did find the stuff they said about the Indians not being able to see Columbus' boat interesting.

It's all a bunch of gypsy magic is what it is!  SMILEY




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Hmm Neopill when your in game send me an email or tell with the name of that movie without the filter blocking it out and the director etc. I want to get ahold of it asap.


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privaron0 wrote:
Hmm Neopill when your in game send me an email or tell with the name of that movie without the filter blocking it out and the director etc. I want to get ahold of it asap.


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The title isn't filtered on my part. The actual title bleeps itself, for commercial purposes and rating I imagine.

The the title of the movie is , What the (bleep) do we know, it stars the deaf actress marly matlyn. (forgive my poor spelling of her name)

The film is alot do do with common sense. And quantum physics is mostly theory, or else we would be learning of String theory in school.

 


 
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