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Jacked Out

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I think saying that any organization as a whole sets off codebombs or pulses is absurd.  It's individuals.  I know if I had codebombs, I'd set them off.


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Vinia wrote:
You have no evidence, other than the most basic visual observation of the simulation, that they don't cause damage. You point is also weak.


I'm simply attempting to prove that there is no damaging effect, which has been tried and proven true through the use of the devices. As for mere basic visual observation? The devices were tested many times during their development to ensure their function. As you have no evidence to the contrary, you have no basis for the argument that they cause damage.

By the logic you are using to argue that CPDs can cause damage, I could say that if you reply to this, that your head will explode. Oh, maybe it won't happen the first time you do it, but each time you post a message on this relay, maybe the chance that your head will explode will climb. Maybe it will happen in four years. Or five. Or eighty. Or maybe it will happen tomorrow morning. But *CENSORED* it, I'm telling you that your head might explode, so you'd better stop posting messages on this relay.

And I'm basing this all on absolutely nothing.


Message edited by Neoteny on 06/23/2008 18:50:04.



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Neoteny wrote:
By the logic you are using to argue that CPDs can cause damage, I could say that if you reply to this, that your head will explode. Oh, maybe it won't happen the first time you do it, but each time you post a message on this relay, maybe the chance that your head will explode will climb. Maybe it will happen in four years. Or five. Or eighty. Or maybe it will happen tomorrow morning. But *CENSORED* it, I'm telling you that your head might explode, so you'd better stop posting messages on this relay.

And I'm basing this all on absolutely nothing.

Now you're just being absurd. Posting does makes no physiological or psychological entry into my head, in fact information flow when I post comes from my head. Opposite to that of a CPD which introduces dirty code and hacks into the Simulation. 

You're post, other than being simply amusing, would have been better thought out with a better Air of Reality if it was the forums at risk of exploding due to my continuous posting. I may actually believe that. You may base it on nothing to try to prove a point but if you think about it a little more, continuous use and posting on these forums does have the possibility of making them unstable.

However, seeing that there aren't thousands of people dependant on the forums to survive, I take the risk.


Message edited by Croesis on 06/24/2008 00:57:04.



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This whole argument is pointless. Everyone shut up. There's no proof either way. Maybe it does damage, maybe it doesn't. Nobody knows, and until Rarebit decides to write otherwise, nobody ever will.

Now, the most annoying thing about this is all the ignorant EPN members who still after two years do NOT know the difference between a code pulse and a code bomb and insist on calling CPD's bombs. Bombs explode. CPD's inject a flow of code into the simulation that brings back information. You can argue all you want that it LOOKS and SOUNDS like a bomb, but we all know the reason for that is that its appearance in game is just more recycled content because we don't have an animator to make a different effect.

Seriously, if you can't understand EPN history then why bother even being in the org if you're just going to run around with all these misconceptions.

Aside from the very beginning in a few crits, TaeCross and his followers (and actually he received his code bombs from the Cypherites, I had a fellow faction member who found out about it and defected because of it), and Eliseus and his crew if you want to go that far, code bombs have never been used. Period.

Code pulses have been used quite often however to obtain information such as where the Morphues sim would next appear, to get into constructs, etc. etc. And I actually suggested once that Kid offer one to Pepper in exchange for information. So she still has one that to my knowledge she hasn't used yet.

So honestly, EPN, get your facts straight.




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Yeah, how many times does it need to be explained that EPN has banned Code Bombs for quite sometime.



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Morpheus himself set off code bombs, in an attempt to blackmail the Machines into returning Neo's body.  He understood that this would lead to the deaths of bluepills, even admitting it to the Oracle, but he didn't care.  And this was while the truce was still in effect.

 

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Did Zion declare him renegade before or after he started his bombing campaign?



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Archangel wrote:

Seriously, if you can't understand EPN history then why bother even being in the org if you're just going to run around with all these misconceptions.


It's not that I don't understand EPN history, it's the fact that I was never told. (( I joined this game in '06 )). I've never seen a code bomb go off, and up until very recently had never even heard of one, or a code pulse. So, I did the logical thing and actually found out so that I new the truth. Besides all that, there are other reasons to be in EPN other than just setting off code bombs and CPD's.



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monkeymanx8 wrote:
Archangel wrote:

Seriously, if you can't understand EPN history then why bother even being in the org if you're just going to run around with all these misconceptions.


It's not that I don't understand EPN history, it's the fact that I was never told. (( I joined this game in '06 )). I've never seen a code bomb go off, and up until very recently had never even heard of one, or a code pulse. So, I did the logical thing and actually found out so that I new the truth. Besides all that, there are other reasons to be in EPN other than just setting off code bombs and CPD's.
Wasn't really directed at you, more of a general statement. I've seen similar things in the past quite a bit. EPN members not knowing the difference and acting like they do or calling a CPD a bomb when it's clearly not.

But at least you did ask.

I'd suggest running the 4.2 archive missions. They'll talk alot about the birth of EPN.

Message edited by Archangel on 06/24/2008 12:17:51.



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Vinia wrote:
Did Zion declare him renegade before or after he started his bombing campaign?

Before, he himself left Zion and shortly after he started making threats Zion disowned him.



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GamiSB wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Did Zion declare him renegade before or after he started his bombing campaign?

Before, he himself left Zion and shortly after he started making threats Zion disowned him.
Ok, thanks.



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Vinia wrote:
Did Zion declare him renegade before or after he started his bombing campaign?
Zion had identified Morpheus as a rebel even before the first film.  Imagine if you were in the Army, and one of the generals said that he was going to go invade a country and look for Jesus.  Yeah.


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Chemuel wrote:
Zion had identified Morpheus as a rebel even before the first film.  Imagine if you were in the Army, and one of the generals said that he was going to go invade a country and look for Jesus.  Yeah.
Yeah I realise that but there is a difference between being defiant, resisting authority, control, tradition etc... and someone who completely deserts a party or cause for another. While a rebel can turn into a renegade, it doesn't necessarily mean s/he will. Although it seems Morpheus made the transition quite easily.



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There were many that tried to stop Morpheus. I would also love to see where Morpheus told the Oracle he knew Code Bombs had the chance of killing blue pills?

Message edited by Vaico on 06/26/2008 02:33:43.



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Vaico wrote:
I would also love to see where Morpheus told the Oracle he knew Code Bombs had the chance of killing blue pills?

   How wouldn't he know?  Surely he wasn't naive enough to believe that every bluepill released by a code bomb would quickly be saved by hovercrafts.  Especially when many Zionists were busy defusing his bombs.

 
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