Why not use cows?

**ZippyTheSquirrel**

How do we know that they didn't already try to use cows?

**Zampano1981**

And when he did so it culminated in Exile. If all machine programs were exiles....then christ....the whole universe would fall apart.

**darkhaze**

my opinion

first off machines have AI...so we have to define AI as applied to machine programs. i dont think machine AI is the same as mxo npc's of course. they are capable of basically the same functions as humans. including emotions such as anger, sadness and love. this is seen when in animatrix the machine reps bring an apple to the humans with an offering of peace. and when so many machines watched the news to see what was happening with that one bot that killed its human masters. this is also seen later with the meros desire for power, oracles desire for peace, and smiths desire for destruction. none of these are examples of pure logic without emotions. so machines are capable of human like thought.

second..the source does not represent all machines. the source represents the matrix. im sure the source is not the first machine. he was written by another machine and given the purpose in his programming to maintain the matrix. he does not use emotion because it was not written into his programming. the oracle was on the other hand written to have emotions.

so the question is why not cows. i think the answer is simple. would humans kill off an entire race of humans. no. we are cruel enough to make slaves and kill many. but history has proven that eventually the goodness of humans will come around eventually and attempt to make things right. slaves will always eventually be set free and wars will eventualy end. the same can be said for machines. humans would have gladly wiped out the machine race because we did not see them as equals. the were our inventions. our products. no different than toasters. but machines saw themselves as our equals. even our superiors. the won the war but afterwards could not completly destroy the human race because they are not evil their emotions took over and they instead made us slaves.

the matrix is designed to keep us unaware of our slavery. every aspect of its design is to hide the truth from us with as little loss to human life as possible. mostly because if we die they loose resources but in part because they want humans to live in some type of peace. do not make the mistake of thinking that the matrix was created for human benifit as this is simply not true. the machines are concerned with their own survival first. humans second.

**Tefnut**

1, Wow, I can't believe this thread is still alive.

2. Great answer Beta. It is Purpose which sustains/binds/drives/pulls/Iforgettherest.

steppenrazor

i figure its pretty simple why not cows.

Food - Cows being cows as you said eat grass. Humans can eat plants. AND meat. And as a movie noted once "Dude, Your meat." Would a bunch on machaines want to turn into farmers and grow enough grass for the cows to eat? Not to mention the energy nessary to grow the grass for them to eat.

Useing humans they get a animal able to eat its own dead and some basic nutraints/minirals tossed in. And they stay alive. A cow wouldn't.

Message Edited by steppenrazor on 05-13-2006 07:01 PM
Message edited by steppenrazor on 05/13/2006 18:01:05.

**Demedrian**

The fact that the Architect designed two entire Matrices without the capacity for human growth, i.e., real suffering, indicates that the machines have little comprehension of growth. In fact, they can't grow; they strive instead for static perfection. The only way they have "grown" so far is in response to human actions. The Oracle knows this, which is why she says "the only way forward is together" [paraphrased]. She knows that the machines will stagnate without humans to lead them forward.

[Ed: This cuts straight to the core of the whole story, and dismisses why the machines don't use cows for power. They don't want power, they want the frission of suffering. How will an immortal machine suffer, die, and grow? It can't! So they use humans to generate that kind of energy for them. THAT is what they need, not mere motivation. By the way, "electricity" in itself carries this kind of mythic quality.]

I did not come up with all of that, found it on: [LINK ]
I think everyone should read this and the one about the third movie.
(Also sorry if that above was mentioned already, way too tired to read all the pages.)

-Jay Demedrian

Message Edited by Demedrian on 05.21.2006 07:27 AM
Message edited by Demedrian on 05/21/2006 03:27:40.

Skill

[LINK ]
this pretty much sums it up.

Skill

*Apologizes for killing the thread :smileytongue:*

McShy

Zampano1981 wrote:

And when he did so it culminated in Exile. If all machine programs were exiles....then christ....the whole universe would fall apart.

There not that bad Zamp..

Anyway what i think is... Loads and loads and loads and loads of the machines got killed by the humans not cows.. So humans have the power to keep the machines and i don't suppose there is much life left on the planet. You dont see Zion eating beef burgers do you?

(( Ok i need sleep so if this makes no seance just ignore it )) :smileyvery-happy: