Why cant an agent take over a redpill?

WGAnubis1

Morpheus said that agents could take over anyone still hardwired into the system but from what we have seen in the movie a redpill dies just as easy as a blue pill. Further more, the only thing that connects a human body to the matrix is the jack, all the other cables connecting to a copper top seem to be for feeding and energy collection.

So my question is, why cant an agent save himself the trouble and just take over a redpill instead of a bluepill when they are both jacked in the same way?

**RemagDiv**

I think you just answered your own question with your first sentence. Bluepills are still permantently hardwired to the simulation, Redpills are not. The machines can pinpoint the exact location of any Coppertop in the Matrix, something they can't do with a freed mind who hacks into the Matrix.

Coer

The bluepills are wired in through the machine interface - they have total control any time they want, of every part of every bluepill.

Redpills use an interface that the machines have no control over, so they cannot manipulate it.

**Nicksie**

Yeah the redpills are on like the ships that are "broadcasting signal" when they are jacked in, but the bluepills are directly plugged in! SMILEY

vivi44

Well you gota ask yourself, If the machines were tracking Neo and they
planted a bug in him, why didn't they simply take over Neo's body when
he came face to face with Morpheus or said his name? They knew who they
were after and what he looked like, and if timed right while alone in
the room with Morph agent Smith could poped up and wasted them all
While other agents took over people in the neighboorhood and came in
and wacked the rest of the group.

**RemagDiv**

Neo was planted with the bug before he met Morpheus and it was removed by Trinity in the car before the meeting.

WGAnubis1

RemagDiv wrote:
Neo was planted with the bug before he met Morpheus and it was removed by Trinity in the car before the meeting.

Okay then why didnt they just take Neo over when he was in the car? 1 agent, in a car of 3 rebels could have taken out all three of them with no problem.

Skill

WGAnubis wrote:

RemagDiv wrote:
Neo was planted with the bug before he met Morpheus and it was removed by Trinity in the car before the meeting.

Okay then why didnt they just take Neo over when he was in the car? 1 agent, in a car of 3 rebels could have taken out all three of them with no problem.

they were probably about to. but they removed the bug and had to start all over again, and the redpills extracted him in time. if they hadnt, they wouldve had to shoot him

Message Edited by Skill on 07.11.2006 02:40 PM
Message edited by Skill on 07/11/2006 13:40:02.

**RemagDiv**

Two possibilities:

1. Perhaps the tracker only reported unusual activity, and as Neo entered the car, Trinity made sure the tracker was out as soon as possible.

2. If what you suggest happened, then there wouldn't be a movie? :p

**AqueousRei**

WGAnubis wrote:

RemagDiv wrote:
Neo was planted with the bug before he met Morpheus and it was removed by Trinity in the car before the meeting.

Okay then why didnt they just take Neo over when he was in the car? 1 agent, in a car of 3 rebels could have taken out all three of them with no problem.

At that point, he is just another potential to the agents. In the Path of Neo you can escape the arrest from the agents in the office building. Then Neo would have not been bugged in the car. The importance of that scene is the choice trinity gives him there.

The more important issue IMO with agents taking over red pills is shown in Matriculated. The humans have to hack the machine in order to "convert" it. A religious conversion? Only for a lack of a better term.

The humans have to hack back into the matrix once leaving the pods, no more direct hardwire connection. Taking the redpill... choose not to be under The Matrix control. This is the same reason they have to "hack" morpheus for the zion codes.

Message Edited by AqueousRei on 07.11.2006 02:52 PM
Message edited by AqueousRei on 07/11/2006 13:52:13.

**Nicksie**

WGAnubis wrote:

Okay then why didnt they just take Neo over when he was in the car? 1 agent, in a car of 3 rebels could have taken out all three of them with no problem.

Because the agents wouldn't know where they were going.. they were after Morpheus.

Coer

WGAnubis wrote:

RemagDiv wrote:
Neo was planted with the bug before he met Morpheus and it was removed by Trinity in the car before the meeting.

Okay then why didnt they just take Neo over when he was in the car? 1 agent, in a car of 3 rebels could have taken out all three of them with no problem.

Didn't you see the gun Switch had pointed at Neo's chest?
As soon as he started to change, they would have shot him dead. Dead Neo = no Agent = no closer to Morpheus.

See Detective Story for more of the same.

**Aquatium.**

As said, they can only take over someone hardwired into the system. Its like a network, you can only send/recieve information to a machine connected which is allowing the option. Im sure those jacked in also have some kind of block to prevent the signal being interrupted by agents from the inside.

Also the bug, however interesting it looked was simply just a tracker, if the agents wanted to take over neo they could have at that point, but they didnt know his importance. They probally knew not to do that, since it was Morpheus they wanted.

knight776

Does this take into consideration Bane, who was a redpill, jacked into the system, but taken over by Agent Smith (albeit an exiled Agent Smith)? I guess it's possible that there's code that prevents active Agents from doing this, but considering an Exiled Agent was able to, wouldn't it stand to reason that a regular Agent would be capable of the same thing?

Of course, as usual, if it could occur, there'd be no rest of the movie. SMILEY

**RemagDiv**

knight776 wrote:

Does this take into consideration Bane, who was a redpill, jacked into the system, but taken over by Agent Smith (albeit an exiled Agent Smith)? I guess it's possible that there's code that prevents active Agents from doing this, but considering an Exiled Agent was able to, wouldn't it stand to reason that a regular Agent would be capable of the same thing?

Of course, as usual, if it could occur, there'd be no rest of the movie.

No, at that point, Smith was a virus. He possesed powers that a normal Agent could not, which is why by the end he took over the Matrix, even the Agents of the system. A normal Agent would not be able to copy himself onto another redpill.