It never made sense anyway. Next MxO canon weirdness to clarify: the Matrix is only Megacity and everywhere else on the planet is a big blur.
Harpalos-mxo wrote:It never made sense anyway. Next MxO canon weirdness to clarify: the Matrix is only Megacity and everywhere else on the planet is a big blur.On Neo's computer in The Matrix, an article says something about Morpheus almost being caught in London (Heathrow, I think). The Matrix is all over, isn't it?
zeroone506 wrote:Is there a definite conception of whether the Matrix is the Globe or just MegaCity, or whether it's stuck in 1999 or not, and how everything of this works in the simulation so the bluepills don't get the brainz?Or is it planned to be elaborated in any way?Maybe you happened to read it, LostProphet, and most recently, Paperghost, had quite good arguments, both logical and factual ones, that it's not stuck in 1999 and the Matrix is more than Mega City.One of the things Paul said came out of his talk with them about the proposed chapter 7-9 storyline was them saying that the Matrix is bigger than just the city and the mountains. But they didn't say how much bigger.
Is there a definite conception of whether the Matrix is the Globe or just MegaCity, or whether it's stuck in 1999 or not, and how everything of this works in the simulation so the bluepills don't get the brainz?Or is it planned to be elaborated in any way?Maybe you happened to read it, LostProphet, and most recently, Paperghost, had quite good arguments, both logical and factual ones, that it's not stuck in 1999 and the Matrix is more than Mega City.
ShiXinFeng wrote:ZippyTheSquirrel wrote: The plain, sad truth is that the world of the Matrix Online was poorly prepared for actual war, which has been proven by the oh-so-coincidental appearance and distraction of the Intruder. Call me a skeptic, but if the Intruder never popped up, the war thing probably would have gotten really really old rather rapidly. After all, it's clear that the Machines could quickly win a war if they pooled all their resources and tactical abilities. And then there's the question of why we're even fighting. But that's not really a story question, now, is it?But Zip, you're assuming that the Intruder has nothing to do with the war. . .Recent events have led me to believe that he is here because of the war, and that we better start warming up to him real quick. . .No, of course, he has everything to do with the war, which only supports my statement in that Rarebit cannot, CANNOT, write good plot twists. Face it, almost every single twist after Anome's death has alienated a large portion of the player population. Reinsertion and the entire Cypherite Org; the Truce breaking and certain factions created solely for keeping the peace - I don't think I've even seen any McDoE members around lately anymore. I'm sure there's more, but I haven't had any sleep in the past 28 hours and I can't think clearly enough to label them here. What's the deal with the Intruder? A man made entirely out of glowing wires? Even the Assassin's fly-based body was just humanoid enough, but this is ridiculous.I don't want to call Rarebit a bad writer, per se, but I find myself with limited choices in describing his controversially poor plot path decisions. Besides, there's always Chadwick to put the blame on. That's easier, considering the only interaction we get out of him is (was?) the Sentinel and the occasional interview that someone picks up and someone else extremely over-reacts to. I think the real problem is that, when it comes to the Matrix, I am a hardcore conservative, and when twists happen along that wouldn't even have been thought of in the movies, it ruffles my fur.When you really think about it, it doesn't even matter what all the movies say about the date. Rarebit's already set in stone our fate. Truthfully, before the stupid mess with the date, I had always assumed the date was generically unimportant, and everyone was pushed to believe that it was "around the modern 21st century time period", much like in the Real, it's assumed to be "da future." But eh, what can you do? Go back in time? Rig an event with Tick Tock and force the Matrix to adapt? But wait! Before we can do any of that, remember, we're at war-- but wait! Some big guy with glowing white wires is tearing up the city-- but wait! [insert next chapter's stunning discovery that distracts from everything else "conveniently"]
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote: The plain, sad truth is that the world of the Matrix Online was poorly prepared for actual war, which has been proven by the oh-so-coincidental appearance and distraction of the Intruder. Call me a skeptic, but if the Intruder never popped up, the war thing probably would have gotten really really old rather rapidly. After all, it's clear that the Machines could quickly win a war if they pooled all their resources and tactical abilities. And then there's the question of why we're even fighting. But that's not really a story question, now, is it?But Zip, you're assuming that the Intruder has nothing to do with the war. . .Recent events have led me to believe that he is here because of the war, and that we better start warming up to him real quick. . .
The plain, sad truth is that the world of the Matrix Online was poorly prepared for actual war, which has been proven by the oh-so-coincidental appearance and distraction of the Intruder. Call me a skeptic, but if the Intruder never popped up, the war thing probably would have gotten really really old rather rapidly. After all, it's clear that the Machines could quickly win a war if they pooled all their resources and tactical abilities. And then there's the question of why we're even fighting. But that's not really a story question, now, is it?
But Zip, you're assuming that the Intruder has nothing to do with the war. . .
Recent events have led me to believe that he is here because of the war, and that we better start warming up to him real quick. . .
All the main storyline elements are first cleared by the Wachowski brothers. So they OKed the Intruder and the no reinsertion thing. So you have to remember that. And no one ever said the story was going to make everyone happy, or even cater to the subscribers of MXO. Basically, Rarebit and Paul's job are to tell the story of the Matrix, not to adapt the story to player's likings. And if something happens like where the truce breaks and that screws up a faction, well then oh well. The faction needs to adapt and move on. We can't be afraid of change in an ever changing world.
PS- I consider the bluepills thinking it's 1999 all the time in the matrix. While the redpills know that time has advanced inside and outside of the matrix.
PSS- We know the machines can implant past memories. Because at the begging of MXO, we found out that there was an earthquake in the city. Which we have never seen, but it's something the Machines implanted in to the minds of the bluepills. So what's to say the machines couldn't hault any progress made in science and revert everyone's memory to think it's 1999. And that still wouldn't mess with the notion of bluepills becoming aware of the Matrix. Because those are just memories, but feelings and choice would still remain no matter what happened. (Just my thoughts.)
The date loops needed because of how short of a time they give. Replaceing all the 99s with 98s is the last step, I think, in this processs. The Machines apparently froze technology at a point where it's on the verge of AI but just short enough where there is still a long way ago. If they allowed time to continue but froze technology we would be looking at a 1999 world with a 2099 lable. 100 years where technology just froze? Sure thats unnoticalbe at 2003, 2004, but around 2010 you start to wonder and by 2020 it's getting ridiculous that no one can come up with anything.
GamiSB wrote:The date loops needed because of how short of a time they give. Replaceing all the 99s with 98s is the last step, I think, in this processs. The Machines apparently froze technology at a point where it's on the verge of AI but just short enough where there is still a long way ago. If they allowed time to continue but froze technology we would be looking at a 1999 world with a 2099 lable. 100 years where technology just froze? Sure thats unnoticalbe at 2003, 2004, but around 2010 you start to wonder and by 2020 it's getting ridiculous that no one can come up with anything.I've highlighted the issue. The Bluepills are going to see a lifetime (we're not sure a cycle is 100 years, but it's probably close) where nothing changed. Nothing changes from year to year, and their past doesn't get altered because their memories aren't changed. So they're going to see a lifetime of no progress no matter what the year is.Instead of seeing a 1999 world in 2099 if time advanced normally, the loop makes them see a 1899 world in 1999.
Procurator wrote:
But see its not an issue and Tick Tock's event explaind how its possible. As time does get shoved down yes you would think that people would notice that nothings getting done for 100+ years. But as the time moves on people forget things. The Machines froze the world and keep nothing happening. To blues 1999 is a boring year, and 1998 was borning and so on. No one dies of imporance, nothing major happens, no war, nothing that would stick out. This goes on and on untill the history leasons taught in school take over. Then all thats needed is the simple addition of recalling watching the TV when Kennedy was shot, or the lunar landing placed over the now whats just a long forgotten boring year.
With the year always progressing though this is much harder. People actully see the years going by and are aware of 100 years of bordom. When it stays the same though it is much harder to notice a never changeing pattern. And that is why the year never changes.
So basically... events of the year are just labeled as the year before? That's surprisingly less complicated and confusing than everyone else makes it out to be.
Roukan wrote:So basically... events of the year are just labeled as the year before? That's surprisingly less complicated and confusing than everyone else makes it out to be.Yeah, that's the very basic premise that I got out of that LE....
The concept is simple, but the effort involved in doing it is immense.I was going to make a point last week, but I forgot what it was. Something about what Tick Tock said about the dates getting hazy as they progress further into the past and that being a terrible cop-out. I don't know.
it may be a cop out but its a terribly good cop out that works. You can hardly say you remember every day you are alive and can list off exactly the year, month, or even day of the week your most boring of boring days were.
However one question (the hadest of them all perhaps in the 1999 theory) is exactly how do the Machines get the transition from 12/31/99 to 01/01/99 to work?
The concept is simple, but the effort involved in doing it is immense.
