Would you really take the Red-pill?

**Erythnul**

I have been wondering this for a while now ever since I held a long conversation about all of the organizations in the Matrix. Lets say this whole Matrix Franchise was real. We do live in the Matrix. Everything you know and everything around you is a simulation. If you were able to see what lies before you if you took the red pill and if you would able to not remember anything once you too took the blue pill. As a bluepill right now in your RL lives.

What pill would you take?

Think about your actually lives. Wither you be a wife or husband with kids, a teenager still living with your parents, a kid still looking up to your parents, or a college student.

Would you take the red pill or the blue pill?...

**GypsyJuggler**

I'd take the red.

**Erythnul**

GypsyJuggler wrote:

I'd take the red.

Explain why though.

**GypsyJuggler**

Because I'm the type of person that would in every way I can think of.

**CrimsonKiller01**

Depends really who is offering really but for the sake of argument I will answer yes. If my old faction leader Dukelive was to offer me the red pill I would take it as I know he would have a convincing enough argument to do it. I would also take the red pill because although I have family I would want to see more beyond this reality (and technically speaking my family isn't really my family, if we are going by the Matrix universe.)

**MotorZ**

I think it would depend on how it was presented to me. I'd think I'd probably take the red pill no matter what, because I'd be mad about living in a fake world and I'd also want to be able to bend the rules once I got out. I'd complain a lot about the Real, but I think I'd rather be out than in.

**GamiSB** · 01/27/2008 11:54:59

I got no complaints about this world. Blue pill thank ya.

*edit to further explain.

I'm blue in the since that I have no beef with the world although I do have questions and would love to have the answers. But I don't believe that these answers are to such an extreme that I would have to abandon everything in order to fully grasp them. My perspective might change but nothing to such an extreme as the awakening in the Matrix displays.

**Cervacius**

That depends. I'm not normally the type of person who takes pills from strangers so I'd probably storm out of there without taking any.

Then I'd still be in wonder about the Matrix so I'd spend my time digging into it and maybe finally coming to a red pill conclusion. But by then it might be too late.

**Erythnul** · 01/27/2008 11:18:25

GamiSB wrote:

I got no complaints about this world. Blue pill thank ya.

I am with you GamiSB. Despite me being a Cypherite in the game, I would take the blue pill anyway.

Alot of people have to take into consideration that a stranger that you have never met would be selling you what they call "Their Truth". Would you really trust a stranger out of the blue. Nevertheless, I am sure many of you don't even trust your neighbor let alone your fellow employee at work.

Really think about this because this seriously could get into a deep conversation.

I'll paint a small picture for you using my character, Erythnul a.k.a "Erin" :

    Erin Paine Thomas was a Doctor for the Morrell Hospital in Downtown. Saving people was his job. Dr. Thomas' life was a practically normal with an exceedingly balanced income from his steady professional job. He was married to Jasmine Thomas for six years with two kids. During an average dinner time with his family, Dr. Thomas received a page from the hospital about a coma patient suddenly missing.

    Dr. Thomas' mental connection stability percentage with the simulation then slowly decreased from looking at the surveillance tapes of the patient, "Sarah Edmonton," walk out of the hospital. News clippings and television broadcasts of this strange mysterious miracle affected Dr. Thomas severely. He seemed to question the world around him. However, even though Dr. Thomas wasn't fully aware of absolutely everything about this and sometimes miracles do happen in the eyes of a professional Doctor, Agents were still spawned to meet with Dr. Thomas to find out exactly how much Erin knew.

    Dr. Thomas cooperated with the Agents procedures, and they left him be. Things seemed to go back to normal for a bit. Well, the normal being the strange clans, gangs, and organized crime in the mist of all the street violence. Dr. Thomas' life wasn't in any harm and nor was his family's. Him, his wife and his two boys seemed to be well protected away from the street violence and continued to do just as they did six years ago; pay the bills.

    Dr. Thomas' job went back to its normal sick patients, ER emergencies, and some loss lives, however the evening he received a strange message on his Hospital Alert PDA was when his life changed. The message read:"Erin, the Matrix Has You. Meet me at the hospital." Late that evening as his children went to sleep and he told his wife a well thought up lie to not come to bed, he made his way out to the hospital. Therefore making the choice he soon regretted.

Now see there. My character has close to what seemed to be a perfect life. Perfect balanced income, perfect loving wife and two kids. Everything was straight.

Therefore, of course I will definitely take the blue pill all because I wouldn't buy into anything that a stranger would say to me thus losing everything that I loved and desired in my life.

Pyraci

Although my life is nowhere near as bad as it could be, or as bad as it is for some people I know, but there was a point when I began to question the reality and the authenticity of the world around me. I hold those questions to this day, and I think they make me a wiser, more observant person because of it. I do have a problem with this world, or at the very least our understanding of it. I don't think our understanding as humans grasps what is really going on. After all, we either write off the things we don't understand, demon-ize them, or make faerie tales out of them. That's my splinter. That's what makes me lean towards red.

Also, we're (in general)taking the prospect of some guy just walking up to you one day and giving you a choice of two gel-caps as the whole story from the bluepill perspective. When Neo found Morpheus in "The Matrix", he had been researching him and seeking him out in IRC chat rooms and other places around the internet. This wasn't an accident or a fluke. This was something he wanted the answer to for a long time, years even.

Morpheus: "...you may have spent the last few years looking for me, but I have spent my entire life... looking for you."

A lot of that concept gets lost in the way the game is presented, or at least how most of the player population takes it. Another thing I would like to point out in this discussion is the fact that those of us old enough to play this game are older than what Zion would consider awakening as the original film suggests. With that said, I think the majority of us at this age and level of societal assimilation would be quicker to choose blue.

I'm still red though.

**Erythnul**

Wow that is really deep in all shapes and sizes. I did completely forget about the specific age Zion awakens people anyway. What age is it again?

Anyway, however there are of course probably a lot of "Scientist" Fiction book writers that do perhaps have the same mind set as you do Pyraci, that probably wont take the red pill.

However, one thing I would like to know though is why did Neo search for Morpheus specifically. I could understand him searching for answers but why Morpheus' answers?

**GamiSB**

Erythnul wrote:

Wow that is really deep in all shapes and sizes. I did completely forget about the specific age Zion awakens people anyway. What age is it again?

Anyway, however there are of course probably a lot of "Scientist" Fiction book writers that do perhaps have the same mind set as you do Pyraci, that probably wont take the red pill.

However, one thing I would like to know though is why did Neo search for Morpheus specifically. I could understand him searching for answers but why Morpheus' answers?

Getting off topic so I'll keep it short. Age limit is unknown thought to be 16-17. Why Neo looked for Morpheus was because Morpheus was and is the most well known redpill.

Pyraci

Yep. I think in a version of one of the scripts for the first movie, Cypher was about 9? or so when he got out. I may be off though...

What's interesting is if it is around the age of 16-17, it sounds like they stop around the time when humans start having commitments things to be accountable for in the Matrix; Much to what was said about family(spouses, children), larger material possessions, and things of that sort.

And you're right, Erythnul. Baudrillard, who was one of the biggest influences on this story, said later in Simulacra and Simulation that in the end, you can't really do anything to stop the procession of simulacra and the idea of living on the "map" and not the "territory", just find your place in the current more or less. I think that chapter was "On Nihilism", the same chapter Neo turns to when he opens that book and gets the disk for Choi. SMILEY

**Aquilae**

Depends on the situation. I don't want to wake up and have the guy say to me 'Oh forgot to tell you...We're at war with the machines and it's not going exactly well...'.

On the other hand, If there was a truce, hopefully we get some family time in the matrix. And doing kung fu and leaping across buildings sounds like fun and a chance to make a difference

**PS10N**

This is a difficult question to answer. Back in 1999, when the Matrix was released, I wouldn't have believed that there really was no hope in what I then perceived as reality. With the events between 1999-2008, it's easy to believe that all of humanity is being deluded by illusion, subjugated and controlled by mechanical maniacal oppressors. Once again the "always 1999 in the Matrix" stipulation makes the hypothetical question "would you take the red pill?" very complicated, because am I to consider myself as I am now in 2008 or look back as I was in 1999? It's especially personal for me because back in 1999 I was 31 and so only a couple years out of the still contentious tweens. (Those of you well past your Saturn Return will understand, those younger won't have the context to relate.) It happens that right now, in 2008, I'm 39 years old, the same age as Neo when he was Awakened. If the Red Pill were offered today, I'd take it and then Awaken those crucial ones who were close to be because they were ready to be Awakened type.