Having level 50 guns benefits all players using guns of which only mostly lvl 45 guns were available thus (I guess) were losing out on the base damage that the other tree's had, therefore not a waste of database space. Duplicating clothing just because some people dislike the looks is a waste imo.

The fact that changing the Gi is making the game less sexy and less "Matrixy", while true, is not much of an argument. However, making an item less appealing to a large part of the player base with no apparent reason is. And that's what we should really be focusing on.

Vinia wrote:

Having level 50 guns benefits all players using guns of which only mostly lvl 45 guns were available thus (I guess) were losing out on the base damage that the other tree's had, therefore not a waste of database space. Duplicating clothing just because some people dislike the looks is a waste imo.

If it results in pleasing all the players and increasing the overall happiness of the player base then I think it is most certainly worth it.

It's the little things that people appreciate the most.

Iviera wrote:

The fact that changing the Gi is making the game less sexy and less "Matrixy", while true, is not much of an argument. However, making an item less appealing to a large part of the player base with no apparent reason is. And that's what we should really be focusing on.

Actually I'd like to know where a piece of clothing like the old Gi was worn inside the simulation and not a training construct with one other person in it who was being flirted with?

Leather, rubber, shades, pvc are all 'matrixy' items like Rocawear etc... aren't but they are still in the game. I don't see how having pants on a Gi, as Gi's do, makes it 'less Matrixy'.

Based on the argument that (even though it was a private training construct) the pantsless Gi was seen in Matrix source material and the new "with-pants" Gi was not.

But, again, the Matrixiness or lackthereof really isn't the greater issue.

Vinia wrote:

Actually I'd like to know where a piece of clothing like the old Gi was worn inside the simulation and not a training construct with one other person in it who was being flirted with?

Leather, rubber, shades, pvc are all 'matrixy' items like Rocawear etc... aren't but they are still in the game. I don't see how having pants on a Gi, as Gi's do, makes it 'less Matrixy'.

Based on the argument that (even though it was a private training construct) the pantsless Gi was seen in Matrix source material and the new "with-pants" Gi was not.

But, again, the Matrixiness or lackthereof really isn't the greater issue.

MxO is not the same as the movies or anything else in the setting, but it has its own charm and appeal.

Iviera wrote:

The fact that changing the Gi is making the game less sexy and less "Matrixy", while true, is not much of an argument. However, making an item less appealing to a large part of the player base with no apparent reason is. And that's what we should really be focusing on.

Actually I'd like to know where a piece of clothing like the old Gi was worn inside the simulation and not a training construct with one other person in it who was being flirted with?

Leather, rubber, shades, pvc are all 'matrixy' items like Rocawear etc... aren't but they are still in the game. I don't see how having pants on a Gi, as Gi's do, makes it 'less Matrixy'.

I don't see when people wore gi at all outside the dojo in any of the movies etc. Gi's are not suppsoed to be used to go out and have fun, they are for fighting and womens gi's didn't have pants since they are more comfortable for fighting like that. Then again in todays dojos women have pants on their gis so I dunno...

Women's Gi's may not have had pants in the past but they, in all likelihood, would have been longer and the woman would have worn something underneath.

And if  you'd read, I'm pulling the Uterus Card in FAVOR of the old gi, because I own a gi that short.  When fighting, I wear workout shorts under it (they're a lot like biking shots, or sliding shorts)  Also, I know this will blow your minds, but panties and a bikini cover the same area (I KNOW AMIRITE WOW!).  Fear of being seen in your underwear is a bizarre societal construct, seeing as we walk on the beach all the time in even less.

And to add on the dignity card, Ashencourte Leggings (green miniskirt) has Melee buffs encouragingyou to go out and hit Side Kicks with, so current logic dictates that pants should be added to the miniskirt too.

SolidRevolver wrote:

And to add on the dignity card, Ashencourte Leggings (green miniskirt) has Melee buffs encouragingyou to go out and hit Side Kicks with, so current logic dictates that pants should be added to the miniskirt too.

To be honest I've always preferred to have at least some visible underwear when wearing those skirts, it's like the base underwear a female rsi has just disappears when putting on a skirt etc... It may even be more provocative as at the moment people can see there's nothing, putting underwear on tells the brain that there is something to hide underneath...
Chemuel shows the point brilliantly with her argument, she wears something under her Gi, there was nothing under the Old Gi...

Oh dear... does that make me sound like a perv?

There is nothing under the old Gi, there is nothing under the current miniskirt, double standards on that reason to add pants.  And punishing players who liked the pantless version because of the idiocy of a the guy creating the clothing who thought it would be ok to remove the underwear when anything similar is put on in a game where legs a flailing all over as part of the MA tree isn't fair either.

At least leggings could have been worn before hand to cover your dignity if that does worry you, now there is not even a choice.

I don't recall tiny, tiny miniskirts either

lets have choice

its about choice, isnt it?

and the more choices we have, the more happier we are!

for the core matrix fans; keep it core with all the sexiness, goth and cyber punk they can deal with!

for the sim city knuckleheads who desire everything to be aesthetically pleasing and politically correct. give them the disney stuff to make them happy.

i just hope they dont get upset when they make some of the clothing available from the hel club line.

because i think that is crossing a path that should not be crossed.  if they complain and gripe about something being too racy or too revealing when it was in the movies. then maybe they should be put on a different server or something....

the kiddie server (lol)

just kidding; but it is an idea. children could play there without ever coming into contact with cake, guns, any kinda of violent behavior at all. u somehow have a limited pvp where it automatically stops right before u die. no moods, make the rsi's a lil more cartooninsh, even have some cute animals that they can become, puppy dogs and kittens to play with. : P

im being a lil sarcastic but ummm well u get my point

dont force the matrix online to become that by complaing to the devs because ur offended that the matrix online is kinda like the matrix!

thats all i want say

can we all get agree to let there be choices?

WHY GOD WHY?!?!?! at least they could've been like the ones the yuki chicks wear..like samurai pants to match the sword....