Systemic Anomaly
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Erythnul wrote:
What side are you on again?
The Machinists'. EPN is an embarrassment to the human race and need to be brought in line, but Cypherites are just plain evil. I may have orders to stop EPN and awakenings in general, but it's the Cypherites who I want to stop above all else.
Hmph. Not a smart idea, dearies. Guess we'll have to keep a better eye on you kids.
You can watch us all you want to, but that will not stop us...
Your all mouth Catalyn.
And what does that leave you, my friend
Someone who takes action. You know that all to well.
You take action? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, you sit on your fat *CENSORED* most the time, I have yet to see you make a difference in anything. The only thing you do is keep gasing on and on. Your are pointless and it's the wonder that the Machines put up with you, Coward.
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GamiSB wrote:
Othinn1 wrote:
It's always funny to see the Cypherites rage against an inherent function of the Matrix (the removal of people who become aware of the simulation) due to their belief that they're helping people avoid the pain of the real world. Only Cypherites receive this pain. There are plenty who clearly got past this pain (assuming they ever had it at all).
Also, doesn't it kind of kill off Cypherite recruitment? Like I said, the real world gives them pain, so they became Cypherites. But if you're not letting people experience the pain of the real world, then there's no new Cypherites, right?
The Cypherite paradox.
Not removeing blues kills the system they want to protect and their own recruitment. Allowing them to be removed defeats the purpose of being a cyph.
Whats a cyph to do?
It's not as much of a paradox as you might believe, dear.
The truth is we cannot prevent every awakening. Those who want out will always find a way, sadly. However, we do our best to filter that but it is not within our resources to prevent every single occurence. Instead, we choose to work against those who seek to disturb their slumber.
As you've already noted, it certainly does hinder the expansion of our numbers. Rest assured though, we're happy with that. We'd much rather be short-handed than overwhelmed with an army of disgruntled redpills. That would sorely imply we weren't doing our jobs.
It's a double-edged sword. There's no doubt about it. Yet here we stand, despite the disadvantage it yields, to oppose your order until the very end.
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Haigen wrote:
GamiSB wrote:
Othinn1 wrote:
It's always funny to see the Cypherites rage against an inherent function of the Matrix (the removal of people who become aware of the simulation) due to their belief that they're helping people avoid the pain of the real world. Only Cypherites receive this pain. There are plenty who clearly got past this pain (assuming they ever had it at all).
Also, doesn't it kind of kill off Cypherite recruitment? Like I said, the real world gives them pain, so they became Cypherites. But if you're not letting people experience the pain of the real world, then there's no new Cypherites, right?
The Cypherite paradox.
Not removeing blues kills the system they want to protect and their own recruitment. Allowing them to be removed defeats the purpose of being a cyph.
Whats a cyph to do?
It's not as much of a paradox as you might believe, dear.
The truth is we cannot prevent every awakening. Those who want out will always find a way, sadly. However, we do our best to filter that but it is not within our resources to prevent every single occurence. Instead, we choose to work against those who seek to disturb their slumber.
As you've already noted, it certainly does hinder the expansion of our numbers. Rest assured though, we're happy with that. We'd much rather be short-handed than overwhelmed with an army of disgruntled redpills. That would sorely imply we weren't doing our jobs.
It's a double-edged sword. There's no doubt about it. Yet here we stand, despite the disadvantage it yields, to oppose your order until the very end.
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Fuscienne wrote:
You still don't see it? However we perceive them to be, it's about giving not our wants. We're doing it so they can be given something that they are otherwise denied of their whole lives--so they can be given a choice they are without. Questioning our ethics in doing just that won't change anything.
As for what's best for them, it's just as relative to what they are being denied, nothing makes one more just than the other. We consider what's best for them more than some would think, but I don't expect you to comprehend that either.
~F
I see more than you think, so you say you're giving them a choice they've been denied, even though they make that choice every moment of their lives. You only 'give' them a something that you think affects them most, do you go up to a bluepill who can't conceive a child and 'give' her the ability to mother a child, something she has been denied her whole life? Do you go and try to 'give' a blind man his sight?
If a man who has led a happy life and who has had a family and lived how he wanted, is that a life wasted because he didn't know the truth, because you didn't give him a choice?
But please, tell me how you consider what's best for them, it'll be interesting to hear what you think is best for them and what they think is best for themselves.
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I was unaware our actions required any explanation. Ultimately, we will continue to do what we feel is right, just as you will do the same. If your preference is to endlessly rationalize and contextualize our actions, then so be it.
I guess incessant analytics from a machine shouldn't surprise me.
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xenin wrote:
Havocide wrote:
Sotirios wrote:
Havocide wrote:
Catalyn wrote:
ChloeAnn wrote:
Hmph. Not a smart idea, dearies. Guess we'll have to keep a better eye on you kids.
You can watch us all you want to, but that will not stop us...
Your all mouth Catalyn.
And what does that leave you, my friend
Someone who takes action. You know that all to well.
You take action? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, you sit on your fat *CENSORED* most the time, I have yet to see you make a difference in anything. The only thing you do is keep gasing on and on. Your are pointless and it's the wonder that the Machines put up with you, Coward.
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Sotirios wrote:
I was unaware our actions required any explanation. Ultimately, we will continue to do what we feel is right, just as you will do the same. If your preference is to endlessly rationalize and contextualize our actions, then so be it.
I guess incessant analytics from a machine shouldn't surprise me.
Apparently I'm not expected to comprehend how you consider what's best for the bluepills despite my being 'analytical', it's all too easy to say I couldn't comprehend and then not try, it simply shows apprehension in case I do. Besides I wasn't asking you, I was asking someone more articulate than you.
Still, the unremitting votary ramblings from a terrorist doesn't surprise me.
EPN operatives have made contact with Stanley Morton, a hot dog vendor from the Maribeau district. I wish to commend the operatives that were present for putting him at ease. Mr. Morton was amicable , and appears open to further discussions. However, operatives are advised to proceed with caution, as Mr. Morton needs to make the decision for himself in regards to taking the red pill.
Operatives are encouraged to continue interacting with Mr.Morton when the opportunity presents itself.
Systemic Anomaly
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Haigen wrote:
GamiSB wrote:
Othinn1 wrote:
It's always funny to see the Cypherites rage against an inherent function of the Matrix (the removal of people who become aware of the simulation) due to their belief that they're helping people avoid the pain of the real world. Only Cypherites receive this pain. There are plenty who clearly got past this pain (assuming they ever had it at all).
Also, doesn't it kind of kill off Cypherite recruitment? Like I said, the real world gives them pain, so they became Cypherites. But if you're not letting people experience the pain of the real world, then there's no new Cypherites, right?
The Cypherite paradox.
Not removeing blues kills the system they want to protect and their own recruitment. Allowing them to be removed defeats the purpose of being a cyph.
Whats a cyph to do?
It's not as much of a paradox as you might believe, dear.
The truth is we cannot prevent every awakening. Those who want out will always find a way, sadly. However, we do our best to filter that but it is not within our resources to prevent every single occurence. Instead, we choose to work against those who seek to disturb their slumber.
As you've already noted, it certainly does hinder the expansion of our numbers. Rest assured though, we're happy with that. We'd much rather be short-handed than overwhelmed with an army of disgruntled redpills. That would sorely imply we weren't doing our jobs.
It's a double-edged sword. There's no doubt about it. Yet here we stand, despite the disadvantage it yields, to oppose your order until the very end.
How good you are at compelting the objective and the nature of the objective are unrealted. Your attempt to ignore the paradox by covering it up with "well we can't get them all" does not negate the fact that hindering awakenings harms the system more then helps. Nor does going along with it cover up that one of these days you will be overly shorthanded if allowed to continue as you would like.
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Vinia wrote:
Sotirios wrote:
I was unaware our actions required any explanation. Ultimately, we will continue to do what we feel is right, just as you will do the same. If your preference is to endlessly rationalize and contextualize our actions, then so be it.
I guess incessant analytics from a machine shouldn't surprise me.
Apparently I'm not expected to comprehend how you consider what's best for the bluepills despite my being 'analytical', it's all too easy to say I couldn't comprehend and then not try, it simply shows apprehension in case I do. Besides I wasn't asking you, I was asking someone more articulate than you.
Still, the unremitting votary ramblings from a terrorist doesn't surprise me.
I expect you to do exactly what you are doing; nothing. The point I am so inarticulately making is that our actions are for a cause we believe to be right and whether condemned or adulated we will carry out that which we believe in. So, in summary, talk. Continue to speak at us with words of warning and caution. Tell us our actions are against all that your reason and logic as provided you. Assert your truth and righteousness on all who you deem wrong or incapable of comprehension. It matters not.
We will do whatever it takes to complete that which we have set out to do. We may fail, but we will never give up.
Systemic Anomaly
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Such fanatical statements should have no place in any organization yet one can hardly hear any one's view without finding such. Message edited by GamiSB on 05/08/2008 18:56:14.
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Catalyn wrote:
Status Report: Stanley Morton
EPN operatives have made contact with Stanley Morton, a hot dog vendor from the Maribeau district. I wish to commend the operatives that were present for putting him at ease. Mr. Morton was amicable , and appears open to further discussions. However, operatives are advised to proceed with caution, as Mr. Morton needs to make the decision for himself in regards to taking the red pill.
Operatives are encouraged to continue interacting with Mr.Morton when the opportunity presents itself.
Catalyn
You know, when I picked you guys up on my scan in downtown I jokingly suggested to my factionmates that we check the hot dog stands...
I am saddened to report that Stanley Morton was killed during a sniper attack tonight in Morrell. This senseless murder occurred in the presence of his wife, Theresa Morton. Theresa is devastated by her loss.. Our information is that Stanley informed her of our contact with him prior to his death. Please use discretion when contacting her. It is too late to help Stanley.. Perhaps it is not too late for his wife.
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Log Entry #3 05/10
Name: Theresa Morton
Status: Maintain contact
Yesterday, a small number of our operatives were first able to approach Theresa at the plaza in the north area of Tabor Park. After accompanying her to a nearby bar she later returned to her apartment to get some rest.
While more intel on who was responsible for her husbands killing is still needed, contact should be maintained with Theresa and her safety monitored at any opportunity.
