Did they ever expand on the notion that the machines built Zion?

Paperghost

A long time ago on some other forum, I posted something along these lines:

the assistant art director for the matix (michael turner) stated that the machines actually built Zion, and the clues were all there (ie the walls full of pasted over bullet holes in reloaded that would be remnants from previous wars, or how the design of the sleeping quarters in zion are like an inverted, inside-out version of the rows of pods from the fields). if true then in effect Zion is a matrix, though not a digital one....its a real world prison as fake as anything else in the war of man v machine. I'm really intrigued by the whole idea of manipulating the humans to the extent that even the physical world and the history surrounding the Zionites is a complete phallacy. Any takers?

...has this ever been mentioned anywhere since (ie in game), or does anyone know anything else about this theory being expanded upon outside of MxO?

**Darkhorse**

i dont believe people realize it

**Illyria22**

Zion is necessary for the cycles of the Matrix -- so even if the Machines didn't build the original Zion, they must have rebuilt it after each time it was destroyed, making it suitable for its role in the cycle.

Illyria

**Darkhorse**

during that time after smith was destroyed, there was a certain understand of the two a truce if you will

**GoDGiVeR**

Already thought about this a hundred times -_-

I agree with Illyria there. I guess there was an original Zion but after the first "cycle", it wasn't a cycle yet back there, the Architect knew that if the Anomaly returns he had to be controlled. What's better than to spread hope?

Zion ... another form of ... control

**MatrixRefugee**

Papergh0st wrote:

A long time ago on some other forum, I posted something along these lines:

the assistant art director for the matix (michael turner) stated that the machines actually built Zion, and the clues were all there (ie the walls full of pasted over bullet holes in reloaded that would be remnants from previous wars, or how the design of the sleeping quarters in zion are like an inverted, inside-out version of the rows of pods from the fields). if true then in effect Zion is a matrix, though not a digital one....its a real world prison as fake as anything else in the war of man v machine. I'm really intrigued by the whole idea of manipulating the humans to the extent that even the physical world and the history surrounding the Zionites is a complete phallacy. Any takers?

Bolding mine, of course. I remember noticing this similarity when I first saw Reloaded and I kept hoping -- since I was a dedicated little Zion-fan at the time (how far I've come since then...) -- it was a simple coincidence. Now I can't help seeing it as a huge for-instance of cosmic irony in the Matrix-universe.

**ZaneZavin**

Well, I believe it was originally built by men. However, it could very well have been nothing like the Zion we have seen. Just examine the overall design of all of Zion, it is very machine like.

**BandaAncha**

i always though that Zion could be a very very old mine before of the war agaisnt the machines

**SolidRevolver**

I just though that zion was destroyed but the people that 'the one' chose would rebuild it with parts scavenged in the destruction, just repair whats left.

**Zerotolerance**

When the Architect gives Neo the choice to choose specimens from the Matrix to rebuild Zion, he also mentions that stepping through the door allows for the dissemination of the Source Code he carries. It's possible that going through the door allows Neo to actually enter the Source and from there he is no longer the same. No more 'One' as we know him; Neo would be totally stripped of his abilities and his uberness would no longer be relevant.

From the Source, it is possible that those who are selected are inserted with a code similar to the way that The One was initially inserted with a code. Only this code would be an artificial past/story to trigger their growing up within Zion, rebuilding it, etc.

The only flaw I ever saw in the storyline were the chronological facts. When Morpheus says "It's closer to 2099," I think that our True Believer is wrong. There's no way you could have six instances of fully-grown, flesh-based humans in the span of 100 years. Well, you COULD. That would mean every twenty years Zion is destroyed and that would put Tank at 20 years old in the first movie. So it sounds appropriate, but he would have had to be born directly after Zion was rebuilt. I guess I sort of answered my own question...

**GoDGiVeR**

Actually, to hide the truth, they do not know the date. I belief it's closer to the third millenium already.

**ZaneZavin**

At that time they had no idea about the cycles, if you thought there had only been 1 Zion 2099ish would sound right.

**GoDGiVeR**

Well there are 2 ways the Zion cycle is held. Seriel, parallel.

Seriel is that Zion after Zion was build, destroyed, you know the game.
Parrallel is that actually there's a second (and there could be infinitely more) Matrix around what we call "the desert of the Real". The knowledge that you have been "freed" from the Matrix automatically destroys the 1% (or 0.1% w/e) of unconsciously rejected reality. For those who were born there, the situation is way too hard to think about being caught up in a Matrix. Also, this one is build more stable so that manipulations are impossible, which is important otherwise doubts will arise. Neo is an exception of course (different theories like Cyborg theory, etc.). The virtual cycle is redone over and over.

I'll let it stand there just so, now >_>

captainerdman

here is a thought i had.. prolly gunna get shot down but..

you know how every human has a bunch of plugs. well what if the anomaly (neo) is simpoly the same only.. he has been giviin.. sum kind of.. program or..extra hardware allowing him to do what he does in bothj worlds.. i was thinking maybe an exile..like.. the oracle (maybe not literally but..) was who created the anomaly. secretly asdding information to a certain bluepill..