Neo

**GirlyGurl84**

ok a lot of people have said that if neo was brought back and introduced to the game, the game would end. Yet some say it wont, anyone want give me an outline on both sides? cuz there is a lot of argument about it.

**Villemar_MxO**

On the possible return of Neo and its impact on the game:

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300011004

I am in the "it would be a bad thing" camp myself SMILEY

**GlueVane**

Neo will be back and will work for the machines! He will delete the merovingian, persephone, all the agents, the oracle, the architect, niobe, locke, ghost,...

Oh! And will marry Trinity's twin!

**zeroone506**

GirlyGurl84 wrote:

ok a lot of people have said that if neo was brought back and introduced to the game, the game would end. Yet some say it wont, anyone want give me an outline on both sides? cuz there is a lot of argument about it.

Morpheus, who might not be Morpheus but a fake, has been making (broadcasted) appearences for a long time and was rambling something about Neo being alived or held prisoner in the Machine City.

Before he died, he was aiming to get Neo's body from the Machines, and collecting "fragments" of Neo, although they seemed to be a weapon he left in the Matrix, rather then pieces of himself. Although I'm not sure.

A code "RSI" of Neo was placed by the Machines hovering in an underground fight club. You can hear his heart beating there.

An old mission document and a few older hints in live events *imply* that there is some form of reincarnation of Neo, in the form of a woman with his name's anagram, Sarah Edmontons. Very vague, and not current.

Other than that, nothing tangible.

Paperghost

The_Big_V wrote:

I am in the "it would be a bad thing" camp myself

I second that Emoticon

**MetaLogic**

Papergh0st wrote:

The_Big_V wrote:
I am in the "it would be a bad thing" camp myself
I second that Emoticon

It would be a very bad thing. It'd mean that something is so big was coming our way, and the only way to confront it is to have The One return.

**zeroone506**

Some people appear to have come here with the premise that Neo is dead and gone for good, despite the, well, fact that his death in the movies was rather ambiguous. Thus, they think it's bad if he's not.
I've just come here to see what the writers are offering as a continuation of the plot, and have no particular wishes or requirements for how it should be (doesn't mean I accept and like everything, though).

Then, there are people who have more particular reasons to think it would damage the game or the storyline, but I think it's wrong to judge and speculate about it in this way before anything definite has even surfaced.

Wait until they fk up, and then let's complain and cancel, mkay? Currently, I don't see anything fked up concerning Morpheus or Neo.

**MetaLogic**

zeroone506 wrote:

Some people appear to have come here with the premise that Neo is dead and gone for good, despite the, well, fact that his death in the movies was rather ambiguous. Thus, they think it's bad if he's not.
I've just come here to see what the writers are offering as a continuation of the plot, and have no particular wishes or requirements for how it should be (doesn't mean I accept and like everything, though).

Then, there are people who have more particular reasons to think it would damage the game or the storyline, but I think it's wrong to judge and speculate about it in this way before anything definite has even surfaced.

Wait until they fk up, and then let's complain and cancel, mkay? Currently, I don't see anything fked up concerning Morpheus or Neo.

"The mind cannot live without the body." ~Morpheus

Let's look at what happened to Neo. First he is copied over by Smith. Which is done in Bane, so when Bane has his mind copied over by Smith, Bane was no longer Bane, but Smith. One would have to assume that the same thing happened to Neo. Now once Smith has copied over Neo, the machines enacted Norton Anti Virus into the system, thus destroying Smith. We also saw Neo's Smith being erased too, so if Neo's mind is gone, and if Smith overwritten copy of his mind is gone, then what is left?

**Villemar_MxO**

The best of all possible worlds would to be to have Neo remain in that ambiguous state between life and death. Thusly you can still provide hope to the fanbois that Neo is still alive and may return at some point. Keep him ambiguously dead for now. If SOE finally pulls the plug on MxO, heck bring him back on the last week of play.....who cares at that point. The Neo Card is the ultimate trump card.......the one card that you do not want to pull out lightly.

**MetaLogic**

The_Big_V wrote:

The best of all possible worlds would to be to have Neo remain in that ambiguous state between life and death. Thusly you can still provide hope to the fanbois that Neo is still alive and may return at some point. Keep him ambiguously dead for now. If SOE finally pulls the plug on MxO, heck bring him back on the last week of play.....who cares at that point. The Neo Card is the ultimate trump card.......the one card that you do not want to pull out lightly.

QFT.

**zeroone506**

MetaLogic wrote:

zeroone506 wrote:
Some people appear to have come here with the premise that Neo is dead and gone for good, despite the, well, fact that his death in the movies was rather ambiguous. Thus, they think it's bad if he's not.
I've just come here to see what the writers are offering as a continuation of the plot, and have no particular wishes or requirements for how it should be (doesn't mean I accept and like everything, though).

Then, there are people who have more particular reasons to think it would damage the game or the storyline, but I think it's wrong to judge and speculate about it in this way before anything definite has even surfaced.

Wait until they fk up, and then let's complain and cancel, mkay? Currently, I don't see anything fked up concerning Morpheus or Neo.

"The mind cannot live without the body." ~Morpheus

Let's look at what happened to Neo. First he is copied over by Smith. Which is done in Bane, so when Bane has his mind copied over by Smith, Bane was no longer Bane, but Smith. One would have to assume that the same thing happened to Neo. Now once Smith has copied over Neo, the machines enacted Norton Anti Virus into the system, thus destroying Smith. We also saw Neo's Smith being erased too, so if Neo's mind is gone, and if Smith overwritten copy of his mind is gone, then what is left?

All the people Smith took over in the Matrix (or most of them?) were restored back to normal after he was gone. The Oracle, Sati, Seraph, and all the bluepills who had strange dreams about that event.

The way it looks, Smith did not overwrite or replace anyone, but merely added his code to his hosts, taking control of them and probably deactivating their consciousness.

Who said Bane's personality was gone? Or Neo's? Maybe that Symantec thingie the Machines pumped into Neo only removed Smith from Neo, and used him to track down and destroy all the other entities?
I mean, surely, they might aswell have had to destroy his mind to achieve this. But is this a fact? Why do you think it couldn't be otherwise?

As I said, ambiguous.

**zeroone506**

The_Big_V wrote:

The best of all possible worlds would to be to have Neo remain in that ambiguous state between life and death. Thusly you can still provide hope to the fanbois that Neo is still alive and may return at some point. Keep him ambiguously dead for now. If SOE finally pulls the plug on MxO, heck bring him back on the last week of play.....who cares at that point. The Neo Card is the ultimate trump card.......the one card that you do not want to pull out lightly.

Or maybe they should have kept the Unlimit thingy until the end, because who'd care then, at least we'd have some cool superhero powers. Or anything that you don't like.

You know what, how about you stop thinking about fanbois and marketing ploys when talking about the *storyline*?

QFT my... ahem.

Paperghost · 04/02/2007 03:05:15

zeroone506 wrote:

You know what, how about you stop thinking about fanbois and marketing ploys when talking about the *storyline*?

i think neos fate remaining ambiguous is more beneficial to the storyline than revealing it, if that reveal should happen to be "he's alive" as opposed "he's dead", in which case I wouldn't have a problem with it.

**zeroone506**

Okay, then why don't you approve of Neo destroying the Sentinels remaining ambiguous, if you prefer ambiguousity over clarity?

So, what, if they initially concepted "Neo hasn't died at that point and is alive", according or not according to my above post, they should by all means keep it unanswered forever? I mean, not necessarily in the first chapter probably, but I doubt they'd keep anything ambiguous forever.

Paperghost

zeroone506 wrote:

Okay, then why don't you approve of Neo destroying the Sentinels remaining ambiguous, if you prefer ambiguousity over clarity?

huh? that didn't need to "remain ambiguous", it needed to be explained better in a way that didn't suck and suggest creativity abandoned the scriptwriting office that day. "your connection extends from this world into the machine mainframe"

a) explains nothing that you can listen to and go, okay, they set up a mystery in the second film and now resolved it in a way thats logical and satifying and
b) is totally lame and probably took ten minutes or less to come up with.

So, what, if they initially concepted "Neo hasn't died at that point and is alive", according or not according to my above post, they should by all means keep it unanswered forever? I mean, not necessarily in the first chapter probably, but I doubt they'd keep anything ambiguous forever.

why not? the whole setup of the final film smacks of the ambiguity of jesus coming back or not, of king arthur coming back or not, of any other of a number of famous "verily, I shall return and kick some behind....maybe. so be good, puny mortals" individuals throughout history and myth. even the oracles "i suspect we will, someday" is reminiscent of the whole "we'll see king arthur return in englands darkest hour" thing.

thats such a potent thing. why ruin that potency and what it stands for, just so we can say we bring him back and then have him do some stuff in this game for whatever period of time this game runs for, then potentially bring his tale to a halt for a second time, presumably with a second "heroic matrix death / sacrifice / whatever" at the end of the life of the game?