Yeah, I'm totally obsessed with the smoothness. But, now you can see from Dezreki's screenshot what I'm talking about with the crazy shadows on the face of an RSI.
And I actually run with regular AA levels (Whatever the game decides is regular, I guess) when I have AA on. And this never happened with XP. So maybe there's something going on with that because I know that Vista's user interface is using its own AA (So that everything is smooth, which I love). Hmm...
As long as I can use FRAPS, though, I wish there was some way to fix that face-shadow/shadow-face problem as well as the various glitches with NPC textures (Civilians, Agents, the Oracle, etc).
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Sykin wrote:
Oh wow. I think we found the problem, Rarebit. I just tried taking screenshots without AA turned on on all resolutions... All of the screenshots worked.
That's why ShadowSK hasn't reported problems! He doesn't use AA.
Yeah. Maybe Vista is a little less generous about how it deals with situations where you're exceeding your card's available frame buffer memory. It might be that you can fix your trouble by bumping your AA + resolution down to a level your card can actually handle. Having your AA cranked up past that point might not be giving you a smoother image, anyway.
You might also try turning off some graphics options in MXO to see if that makes a difference--Overbright, in particular, since that adds a render pass, I think.
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Sykin wrote:
Yeah, I'm totally obsessed with the smoothness. But, now you can see from Dezreki's screenshot what I'm talking about with the crazy shadows on the face of an RSI.
And I actually run with regular AA levels (Whatever the game decides is regular, I guess) when I have AA on. And this never happened with XP. So maybe there's something going on with that because I know that Vista's user interface is using its own AA (So that everything is smooth, which I love). Hmm...
As long as I can use FRAPS, though, I wish there was some way to fix that face-shadow/shadow-face problem as well as the various glitches with NPC textures (Civilians, Agents, the Oracle, etc).
Oh, really?
<-- knows next to nothing about Vista except that it is causing this headache
Can you turn off that AA on Vista's user interface? I wonder if that would make a difference in the game.
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Sykin wrote:
Oh wow. I think we found the problem, Rarebit. I just tried taking screenshots without AA turned on on all resolutions... All of the screenshots worked.
That's why ShadowSK hasn't reported problems! He doesn't use AA.
Ah, I run AA, but also windowed most of the time. XD It all makes sense now.
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Sykin wrote:
Yeah, I'm totally obsessed with the smoothness. But, now you can see from Dezreki's screenshot what I'm talking about with the crazy shadows on the face of an RSI.
And I actually run with regular AA levels (Whatever the game decides is regular, I guess) when I have AA on. And this never happened with XP. So maybe there's something going on with that because I know that Vista's user interface is using its own AA (So that everything is smooth, which I love). Hmm...
As long as I can use FRAPS, though, I wish there was some way to fix that face-shadow/shadow-face problem as well as the various glitches with NPC textures (Civilians, Agents, the Oracle, etc).
So, just to be clear about this, are the face shadow and texture glitches affected by resolution/AA/windowed? Like, do they still happen in 800x600 with AA off, windowed/fullscreen?
Also, what level is your AA set at in your Windows Display Options? Some drivers allow AA levels to be set there that could override what MXO is trying to use. If possible, you could try lowering your Display Options AA settings to see if that makes any difference in the game.
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Not sure about anyone else but mine will glitch up If I put any of the character shadows on, high or low. I went back and checked the building shadows again It doesn't seem to effect the character's graphics. I'm not sure if it's effecting anything else but my frame rate drops bad when I turn it on, when I had XP it never did. Message edited by Nejoe on 02/15/2007 23:16:04.
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Ok here's my dxdiag info as requested:
------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 2/15/2007, 21:45:47 Machine name: MATRIXVISTA Operating System: Windows VistaTM Ultimate (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_rtm.061101-2205) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: alienware System Model: alienware BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.66GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.7GHz Memory: 2046MB RAM Page File: 1286MB used, 3038MB available Windows Dir: C:\Windows DirectX Version: DirectX 10 DX Setup Parameters: Not found DxDiag Version: 6.00.6000.16386 64bit Unicode
------------ DxDiag Notes ------------ Display Tab 1: The file nvd3dum,nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2umx.dll is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL). You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer. Sound Tab 1: No problems found. Sound Tab 2: No problems found. Input Tab: No problems found.
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------------- Sound Devices ------------- Description: Speakers (High Definition Audio Device) Default Sound Playback: Yes Default Voice Playback: Yes Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0885&SUBSYS_10ECE601&REV_1001 Manufacturer ID: 1 Product ID: 100 Type: WDM Driver Name: HdAudio.sys Driver Version: 6.00.5840.16387 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail WHQL Logo'd: Yes Date and Size: 11/2/2006 05:28:10, 273920 bytes Other Files: Driver Provider: Microsoft HW Accel Level: Basic Cap Flags: 0xF1F Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000 Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0 HW Memory: 0 Voice Management: No EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Description: Digital Output Device (SPDIF) (High Definition Audio Device) Default Sound Playback: No Default Voice Playback: No Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0885&SUBSYS_10ECE601&REV_1001 Manufacturer ID: 1 Product ID: 100 Type: WDM Driver Name: HdAudio.sys Driver Version: 6.00.5840.16387 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail WHQL Logo'd: Yes Date and Size: 11/2/2006 05:28:10, 273920 bytes Other Files: Driver Provider: Microsoft HW Accel Level: Basic Cap Flags: 0xF1F Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000 Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0 HW Memory: 0 Voice Management: No EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
--------------------- Sound Capture Devices --------------------- Description: Microphone (High Definition Audio Device) Default Sound Capture: Yes Default Voice Capture: Yes Driver Name: HdAudio.sys Driver Version: 6.00.5840.16387 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail Date and Size: 11/2/2006 05:28:10, 273920 bytes Cap Flags: 0x1 Format Flags: 0xFFFFF
Description: Line In (High Definition Audio Device) Default Sound Capture: No Default Voice Capture: No Driver Name: HdAudio.sys Driver Version: 6.00.5840.16387 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail Date and Size: 11/2/2006 05:28:10, 273920 bytes Cap Flags: 0x1 Format Flags: 0xFFFFF
Description: Line In (High Definition Audio Device) Default Sound Capture: No Default Voice Capture: No Driver Name: HdAudio.sys Driver Version: 6.00.5840.16387 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail Date and Size: 11/2/2006 05:28:10, 273920 bytes Cap Flags: 0x1 Format Flags: 0xFFFFF
Description: Microphone (High Definition Audio Device) Default Sound Capture: No Default Voice Capture: No Driver Name: HdAudio.sys Driver Version: 6.00.5840.16387 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail Date and Size: 11/2/2006 05:28:10, 273920 bytes Cap Flags: 0x1 Format Flags: 0xFFFFF
Description: Digital Input Device (SPDIF) (High Definition Audio Device) Default Sound Capture: No Default Voice Capture: No Driver Name: HdAudio.sys Driver Version: 6.00.5840.16387 (English) Driver Attributes: Final Retail Date and Size: 11/2/2006 05:28:10, 273920 bytes Cap Flags: 0x1 Format Flags: 0xFFFFF
