ok so you need convincing well her it goes

Neo offered his life to protect those lacked in he had nothnig to lose. but the machines were about to lose everything. they sruck a deal peace in exchange for putting as stop to smith. how do you stop that which you cannot control

Simple remove it, destroy it, eradicate it. just as we try to do with pests. Just because they never said it directly does not mean it was not siad.

please read the posts from the beginning a post for i have used almost all the  quotes and scenes you throw at me, you are simply repeating what i myself have already explained

ok so you need convincing well her it goes

Neo offered his life to protect those lacked in he had nothnig to lose. but the machines were about to lose everything. they sruck a deal peace in exchange for putting as stop to smith. how do you stop that which you cannot control

Simple remove it, destroy it, eradicate it. just as we try to do with pests. Just because they never said it directly does not mean it was not siad.

Exactly.  That which the system cannot control is considered an exile.  Smith was a corrupted program.  When he could no longer be controlled, they called the exterminator, Neo.

And just because they never say they're trying to delete Smith doesn't mean they aren't right? 

"You?!"  "Me.  Me.  Me."

well put my friend but its one point i would like to make regarding your statement. in the real world smith is considered an exile as Neo was given the all clear to delete him. but in the matrix he is not for he is the only being to inhabit it. theoretically he had control over the machines due to the fact that he controled the RSI's of the blue pills. ressetting the matrix would not eradicate him because you cannot wipe the minds of those that are plugged in or they will die. the only way to eradicate him would be to destroy all those plugged in to the system. which would never of been done.

 

And laz my good man your statement "A. He can't be dead because she is in love with him."

is wrong as Trinity clearly says " Neo im not afraid any more, the oracle told me thhat i would fall in love and that man, the man that i fell in love with would be the one, so you can be dead" yes thats right she tells us that the neo died. and also smith tells us that he died by the hands of neo.

"B. In demonstrating that he can bend the rules of dying inside the Matrix, he is, or at least will become the one." 

He is told he has the gift required to be the one but was also told that even thoguh he had the gift he was waiting for something, this something could of been death, or trinity to confess her love to him. to be honest i dont think we will ever know for sure as they both happen in the same scene.

now you mus talso consider this, when morpheus took neo to see the oracle then the woman opens the door and directs neo inot the livingroom she says " you can wait here with the other potentials" meaning that neo was not the only one with the gift there as more than one there were many. this point could explain why smith was given his overwriting powers. because the Anomoly existed in more than one individual. you notice that smith does not use his flying ability until the end of the film. why is this, perhaps the assimilation of the other potentials gave him those powers.

in one way you are right Garu

but then you are also wrong.

 Smith was holding all the keys.

With control of all the rsi's in the matrix smith had control. the machines could not destroy every trace of him for they would lose their power source. but what the machines knew that smith didnt was that when you combine to opposites they cancel each other out what was why smith was recreated and the reason they struck a deal with the one. they knew that that only one of the 2 could destroy the other but must inturn sacrifice their own life. sticking to this train of thought we can go with the causality theory, for every cause there is an effect, or more precisely put for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. this theory can be applied to not only actions but objects, elements and even humans themselves. think of neo and smith as both negative and positive electrons when one touches the other the cancel each other out

taking this into account you should now better understand my logic when i tell you that smith was not considered an exile but instead a threat

if you look up exile in a dictionary even here may come to the conclusion that perhaps smith  considers himself an exile even though the facts in the film suggest otherwise 

so laz i would like to point out that those transcripts are soemones interpretation of what is being said in the film. with corrections already made i might add so the facts may not be completely accurate but i will check this against the subtitles on the DVD to make sure

Smith was holding all the keys.

With control of all the rsi's in the matrix smith had control. the machines could not destroy every trace of him for they would lose their power source. but what the machines knew that smith didnt was that when you combine to opposites they cancel each other out what was why smith was recreated and the reason they struck a deal with the one. they knew that that only one of the 2 could destroy the other but must inturn sacrifice their own life. sticking to this train of thought we can go with the causality theory, for every cause there is an effect, or more precisely put for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. this theory can be applied to not only actions but objects, elements and even humans themselves. think of neo and smith as both negative and positive electrons when one touches the other the cancel each other out

taking this into account you should now better understand my logic when i tell you that smith was not considered an exile but instead a threat

if you look up exile in a dictionary even here may come to the conclusion that perhaps smith  considers himself an exile even though the facts in the film suggest otherwise 

You're looking at it from some higher philosophical viewpoint.  I'm looking at it from a very simplistic stance:

Smith was created by the machines to be an Agent.  Smith was beaten.  He became obsolete.  Instead of accepting deletion (like the other 2 agents), he chose the Matrix.  Anderson's death meant more to him than anything else.

How he came to be that way is "irrelevant", as he said himself.  The fact is that he changed.  He exceeded his original design.  For you to imply that we was created/recreated to counter Neo is based purely on speculation because there is no undeniable proof.  There's no proof of a lot of things because like most great works, the authors left it up to interpretation. 

I applaud your standpoint and view it very respectfully because I know that you have interpreted your opinion based on what you've seen.  But just as we're different people our interpretations are also very different. 

I blame the Wachowskis and Keith.

But the great thing about it is that despite our varying observations, we both came to be machinists.  That means we have very similar beliefs but some that differ.  Which is a good thing I think. 

So you're right....I'm right and I'm wrong.  /formalbow

omg i want editing powers

...morpheus said that the body could no live without the mind yet he did not say that the mind couldnt live without the body.

There is so much in these films that is actually not said and only implied, gotta love that Japanese influence.

BTW no edit button is for *$#¥+3*... even the Hyuzu forums have edit  now...

I would really like to know from both sides of the debate why you all think it is important whichever way one is to regard the Smith.

I would really like to know from both sides of the debate why you all think it is important whichever way one is to regard the Smith.