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<description>&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Cadsuane wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;My apologies, I forgot that subtlety is beyond the members of EPN.&amp;nbsp; As you were.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Riiiiight. &lt;img src=&quot;http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; width=&quot;15&quot; height=&quot;15&quot; /&gt;&amp;nbsp;Hnnnnnnnnnnnggghhhh!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Folks, this was an OOC thread. I really wanted to hear from&amp;nbsp;people about where the Cyph RP has gone and how we might bring it back, so to speak. I really thought the idea of&amp;nbsp;continuing to find a way&amp;nbsp;to get reinserted was a good direction to take. Just because it&apos;s not possible now, doesn&apos;t mean it&apos;s impossible to accomplish.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I guess maybe this is best left to everyone&apos;s personal RP, though, instead of the main stroyline.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are you refering to the main storyline or regular RP, cause I&apos;ll tell you right now, that out of most of the factions niether exist. No Cyph that I have seen RPs on there own, they just sit at mara. During events no one can seem to stay IC except a select few and that gets annoying real fast when you got ppl in the room loling, making stupid comments or replying to the event crashers. If you really want an answer to your reinsertion question that badly then just ask rarebit. I&apos;m still not seeing how sleepwalkers brought this up. To be honest, I don&apos;t even think you guys really know what your purpose is. You have Libertas Vertas pulling that same stuff in a sense that that Sleepwalkers were, but if you don&apos;t agree with that method then your just regular Zionites. Same as you were just saying we are machines with a different name, I would worry about your own org first instead of telling us what we are or are not.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When you say where has the cyph rp gone, what do you mean. I haven&apos;t seen any org RPing at all, and if your are then your bieng pretty secerative about it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:34:21 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:Cypherite Purpose</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Wixard wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OOC?&amp;nbsp; Okay, fine. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;First, don&apos;t point the finger at a Cypherite and call them purposeless for banking off someone else&apos;s purpose when EPN&apos;s whole motto is &amp;quot;following Neo&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; Alright?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Second, what do you think a splinter org is?&amp;nbsp; A piece of a whole.&amp;nbsp; They are not a completely different group from their parent.&amp;nbsp; There are underlining principles that both groups SHARE.&amp;nbsp; The differences are in how they operate.&amp;nbsp; Certainly you&apos;d defend EPN by agreeing that EPN functions differently than Zion, right?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cypherites are violent machinists.&amp;nbsp; As a result they don&apos;t get along with their more &amp;quot;refined&amp;quot; brothers.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Cypherites&amp;nbsp;revel in chaos and destruction.&amp;nbsp; Cypherites don&apos;t care about peace or unity.&amp;nbsp; All they want is for everyone in Zion and EPN to &lt;b&gt;die&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp; This may just be my personal stance but I can&apos;t think of another Cypherite who thinks differently.&amp;nbsp; Are we all wrong as a result?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The &amp;quot;reinsertion debunk&amp;quot; and the war really blurred the lines between cypherite and machinist.&amp;nbsp; But if there really was no point in the two groups being separated wouldn&apos;t they have already been rejoined?&amp;nbsp; Certainly it&apos;d make things easier for Rarebit, right?&amp;nbsp; So why not combine them back?&amp;nbsp; Could it be that he has the players in mind?&amp;nbsp; If so, then does that not mean that our personal RP is what gives us purpose?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am well aware of EPN&apos;s situation and similarly lack of original purpose.&amp;nbsp;Even more similarity&amp;nbsp;can be found in Zion&amp;nbsp;as Neo&apos;s purpose was all but fabricated until the end and would be impossible for EPN to recreate as we do not have a self multiplying virus that is about to take over. EPN uses Neo&apos;s beliefs as its purpose but not his purpose itself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A splinter org is an org that was apart of a larger one. They take the original purpose and put their own spin on it. Their own spin is the key. The Cypherites today do not have this. Everything they added to the machines purpose has been found to be impossible to achieve or become outdated. Thus their purpose has become nothing more then the same as the machines. EPN is following this same pattern. After the war started the goals that EPN once had alone are steadily being adopted by Zion. And if it is just on how they operate then there still is no difference. Now that we have the war the Cypherites act in the same manor as Machiens would if they had Humans leading them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;All your saying is how you perceive them and play your character when in fact they are nothing of what you&amp;nbsp;claim outside of how players want them to be. Cryptos has kept the org from just bringing about chaos and destruction since he came back to lead it. Any violence they do show&amp;nbsp;is nothing unusual to what any Machinist shows now towards the same enemies and hardly to the point of &amp;quot;Kill them all kill them all kill them all!&amp;quot;. So&amp;nbsp;yes you are all wrong by the stories standards of what is and&amp;nbsp;what you claim is&amp;nbsp;not the Cypherites purpose.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The only reason they have not been rejoined is simple. The outcry from the community. Despite their purposelessness people still like playing as them. To remove them would be suicide as even more players would more then likely just end up quiting. Your personal RP has nothing to do with it. If&amp;nbsp;Rarebit was interested in how we play our characters and keeping us all happy rather than how the story is evolving,&amp;nbsp;reinsertion would still be possible and we would have a lot more happening in this game story wise than we do now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:02:42 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:Re:Cypherite Purpose</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Grace of Darkness wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Again, why&amp;nbsp;waste your time. This is just going to go back and forth about who is right and who is wrong. Just give it up and let EPN conjure up there own opinion. It&apos;s great that you want to enlighten everyone about cyph history or w/e but I seriously think your are wasting you time. Also you can&apos;t say what cyphs are and are not because not all factions are on the same page.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Because were OOC and any personal bias&amp;nbsp;my chracter&amp;nbsp;might of inserted in here was taken out, and any &amp;quot;secrets&amp;quot; you claim to have can just be found in the Mission archives and event recaps that allows anyone to see for themselves. Not to mention i put in a little less than a year in being a Cypherite when the game went live and do&amp;nbsp;have a Cyph alt&amp;nbsp;so I think I have a grasping of the Cypherite mindset.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Difference in opinions between factions are irrelevant when it comes to the story. They can have them sure, but they need to realize that it is just their opinion and that the story sooner or later may come&amp;nbsp;down and beat them over the head making it clear that their opinion was wrong. See possibility of reinsertion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, you have a cyph alt like everyone else that makes up the org(kind of obvious when you show up as gami to the event). Yet you still have no idea what your purpose is after the reinsertion idea was shot down. This is why I have problems with most cyphs in the org, and why I really don&apos;t consider you cyphs at all, you just &apos;there&apos;.&amp;nbsp;Also what I am talking about has not been mentioned in any missions to my knowlegde, nor events. You have a &amp;quot;grasping&amp;quot; of the cyph mindset but are still lost.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yes the difference in opions between faction are irrelevant a most times, but this is aplayer driven storyline. Somethings can&apos;t be changes for certain purposes of the story yes, but there is always one or two doors opens to different path if players don&apos;t always choose the default direction. The reinsertion thing is over, I don&apos;t even know why you keep bringing that up. Every cyph who&apos;s background was based of off that left the game like it was the SOE transition. Others changed there background to apdat to the shock of no reinsertion and some never wanted to be reinserted at all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Maybe your right, maybe we should just go back to the 3 orgs and continue with where we left off being bored to death. The EPN and Cyph org actually spice things up IMO. But please continue ruining the enjoyment for other just because YOU don&apos;t agree with it. I though this thread was about how to bring cyph rp back not the &amp;quot;gami come in and tell everyone that there org sucks and shouldn&apos;t exsist anymore&amp;quot; thread&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:11:55 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Grace of Darkness</author>
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<description>The Cypherites who stayed with their organisation after the revelation are pretty noble. They keep protecting the bluepills even though they can never return to them. Sacrificing their lives for people who&apos;ll never know about their guardian angels. I guess that&apos;s the only purpose left, which I find a more noble one than all other org&apos;s purposes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&apos;s where it all comes down to I think, Cyphs choose bluepills over the system. Machinists preserve the system and choose them above the bluepills. Pretty simple.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wixard explains it well. I have nothing to add.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although I was thinking of joking: Our purpose is to misguide you from our purpose.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But that&apos;s lame.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;=P&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Still wish reinsertion would be an option. It&apos;d give the org a lot more depth.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:12:48 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>I find it ironic when an EPN op says he is a follower of Neo&apos;s Ideals by blowing sh*t up.</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:23:46 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:Re:Re:Cypherite Purpose</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Grace of Darkness wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Grace of Darkness wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Again, why waste your time. This is just going to go back and forth about who is right and who is wrong. Just give it up and let EPN conjure up there own opinion. It&apos;s great that you want to enlighten everyone about cyph history or w/e but I seriously think your are wasting you time. Also you can&apos;t say what cyphs are and are not because not all factions are on the same page.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Because were OOC and any personal bias my chracter might of inserted in here was taken out, and any &quot;secrets&quot; you claim to have can just be found in the Mission archives and event recaps that allows anyone to see for themselves. Not to mention i put in a little less than a year in being a Cypherite when the game went live and do have a Cyph alt so I think I have a grasping of the Cypherite mindset.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Difference in opinions between factions are irrelevant when it comes to the story. They can have them sure, but they need to realize that it is just their opinion and that the story sooner or later may come down and beat them over the head making it clear that their opinion was wrong. See possibility of reinsertion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, you have a cyph alt like everyone else that makes up the org(kind of obvious when you show up as gami to the event). Yet you still have no idea what your purpose is after the reinsertion idea was shot down. This is why I have problems with most cyphs in the org, and why I really don&apos;t consider you cyphs at all, you just &apos;there&apos;. Also what I am talking about has not been mentioned in any missions to my knowlegde, nor events. You have a &quot;grasping&quot; of the cyph mindset but are still lost.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yes the difference in opions between faction are irrelevant a most times, but this is aplayer driven storyline. Somethings can&apos;t be changes for certain purposes of the story yes, but there is always one or two doors opens to different path if players don&apos;t always choose the default direction. The reinsertion thing is over, I don&apos;t even know why you keep bringing that up. Every cyph who&apos;s background was based of off that left the game like it was the SOE transition. Others changed there background to apdat to the shock of no reinsertion and some never wanted to be reinserted at all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Maybe your right, maybe we should just go back to the 3 orgs and continue with where we left off being bored to death. The EPN and Cyph org actually spice things up IMO. But please continue ruining the enjoyment for other just because YOU don&apos;t agree with it. I though this thread was about how to bring cyph rp back not the &quot;gami come in and tell everyone that there org sucks and shouldn&apos;t exsist anymore&quot; thread&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br&gt; So says you, if you know something about the Cypherite purpose that clearly no one else does or we have all missed then by all means share it and show us where the Cypherites “purpose” is in anyway different than the Machines, this is after all a thread to discuss what their purpose is after all. If not then kindly stop talking as if you know something.
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&lt;br&gt; This is not a player drive story line. Player driven would mean that the players can affect the story and move it as they wish, which is not the case in what we have. What we have is a story written by Rarebit in which we all play a part in. We are merely actors in his script and play out what he allows us to play out. Any personal RP you have is just that personal. It is not part of the story; it is in no way official. You can holler and scream “I hate everyone and will kill you all”, every Cypherite can for that matter but unless Rarebit writes that into the Cypherite’s story then that mindset is NOT apart of the Cypherite’s purpose.
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&lt;br&gt; As for me ruining things, please. I am only stating my opinion on the Cypherite’s purpose and asking those that claim that there is one to show what it is. I‘ve given my side of the argument and so far all the attempts to prove a purpose have failed to do such. If this thread ruins your RP so sorry but to bad, ignorance is bliss as you say.
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:09:31 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;As stated in Machine critical mission 7.1.4, &amp;quot;Veils&amp;quot;, the purpose of the Cypherites is to prevent the excessive number&amp;nbsp;of awakenings that would exceed the allowed 1%.&amp;nbsp; Through sabotage and destruction they have performed to the expectations of the Machines, who established the organization.&amp;nbsp; Cypherites have been used to spy on and hinder Zion&apos;s operations.&amp;nbsp; Though the nature and purpose of the Cypherites were revealed to the public as a &amp;quot;black ops&amp;quot; of the Machines, their purpose remains unchanged.&amp;nbsp; Even with the war.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So what is their purpose, imo?&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;Mayhem.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Their purpose was not to be reinserted.&amp;nbsp; As we now know &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; That was only a dillusion they created for themselves as a means of reward for their services.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As a machinist player, I&apos;m actually baffled by claims that Cypherites are nothing more than Machinists.&amp;nbsp; That&apos;s insane and I&apos;m sure Cypherite players feel the same way.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Though both groups work for the Machines, we each have our own exclusive functions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:40:20 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Garu wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As stated in Machine critical mission 7.1.4, &amp;quot;Veils&amp;quot;, the purpose of the Cypherites is to prevent the excessive number&amp;nbsp;of awakenings that would exceed the allowed 1%.&amp;nbsp; Through sabotage and destruction they have performed to the expectations of the Machines, who established the organization.&amp;nbsp; Cypherites have been used to spy on and hinder Zion&apos;s operations.&amp;nbsp; Though the nature and purpose of the Cypherites were revealed to the public as a &amp;quot;black ops&amp;quot; of the Machines, their purpose remains unchanged.&amp;nbsp; Even with the war.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So what is their purpose, imo?&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;Mayhem.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Their purpose was not to be reinserted.&amp;nbsp; As we now know &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; That was only a dillusion they created for themselves as a means of reward for their services.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As a machinist player, I&apos;m actually baffled by claims that Cypherites are nothing more than Machinists.&amp;nbsp; That&apos;s insane and I&apos;m sure Cypherite players feel the same way.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Though both groups work for the Machines, we each have our own exclusive functions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Between your comments here, Garu, and Grace&apos;s, I think this is going IC in an OOC thread again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What I&amp;nbsp;thought would make for a good&amp;nbsp;thread is the discussion of why reinsertion&amp;nbsp;is not still a goal of the Cypherites. It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; what they were after from the beginning, from Cypher to the Masked to Cryptos before we found out he had been overwritten. My thinking is that just because the procedure doesn&apos;t exist today, doesn&apos;t mean that the Machines won&apos;t work on the issue as a reward for the Cyphs and those Machine operatives that choose it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No one is saying that the methods or modus operandi of the two groups aren&apos;t different; they obviously are. After all, the Cypherite controller is a sadistic, psychopathic murderer. What you are describing is how they function; not who they are.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here is my example: EPN differentiates itself from Zion through the use of Neo. Zion really could care less about Neo, for the most part, whereas EPN would jump at the chance to get Neo or his remains back. Now that there is a war on, the activities of both groups are similar, but there will always be that extra definition for EPN.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In that vein, my question was, what is the Cypherites Purpose? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh, and Grace, if you don&apos;t know what the Sleepwalkers have to do with Cypherites, I suggest some research into the history of your chosen affiliation.&amp;nbsp;I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot; thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:25:29 GMT</pubDate>
<author>ShiXinFeng</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Garu wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As stated in Machine critical mission 7.1.4, &amp;quot;Veils&amp;quot;, the purpose of the Cypherites is to prevent the excessive number&amp;nbsp;of awakenings that would exceed the allowed 1%.&amp;nbsp; Through sabotage and destruction they have performed to the expectations of the Machines, who established the organization.&amp;nbsp; Cypherites have been used to spy on and hinder Zion&apos;s operations.&amp;nbsp; Though the nature and purpose of the Cypherites were revealed to the public as a &amp;quot;black ops&amp;quot; of the Machines, their purpose remains unchanged.&amp;nbsp; Even with the war.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So what is their purpose, imo?&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;Mayhem.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Their purpose was not to be reinserted.&amp;nbsp; As we now know &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; That was only a dillusion they created for themselves as a means of reward for their services.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As a machinist player, I&apos;m actually baffled by claims that Cypherites are nothing more than Machinists.&amp;nbsp; That&apos;s insane and I&apos;m sure Cypherite players feel the same way.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Though both groups work for the Machines, we each have our own exclusive functions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But see that was all before the war. Now no one is allowed to awaken blues so even the Machines are allowed to take whatever steps necessary to keep such from happening and have sot eh purpose in 7.1.4 is completely outdated.&amp;nbsp;The Machines don&apos;t need the Cyphs going behind the truce to work for them because there is no truce, they are allowed to go whatever they want against Zion. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The war killed the Cypherites purpose, the machines now cause just as much mayhem as the did Cyphs towards Zion and EPN so that&apos;s hardly some similar purpose that only the Cypherites have.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:11:27 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot; thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sleepwalkers were never reinserted. There bodies remained on the ship they broadcast from and were not plugged back into the pods. At the end of the event, the feedback caused by the shutting down of all their &amp;quot;systems&apos; and fixing the hack they were using to rob redpills of their powers rebounded onto them. Thus they were still awakened however they could not remember anything and could not do what a redpill could. They then starved to death while remaining&amp;nbsp;jacked in and the rest finshed off by opertives.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rarebit explained elsewhere in a bit more detail I think on what happened and why it wasn&apos;t &amp;quot;reinsertion&amp;quot; but can&apos;t remember the thread.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:17:30 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GamiSB</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot; thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sleepwalkers were never reinserted. There bodies remained on the ship they broadcast from and were not plugged back into the pods. At the end of the event, the feedback caused by the shutting down of all their &amp;quot;systems&apos; and fixing the hack they were using to rob redpills of their powers rebounded onto them. Thus they were still awakened however they could not remember anything and could not do what a redpill could. They then starved to death while remaining&amp;nbsp;jacked in and the rest finshed off by opertives.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rarebit explained elsewhere in a bit more detail I think on what happened and why it wasn&apos;t &amp;quot;reinsertion&amp;quot; but can&apos;t remember the thread.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I remember hearing that, but during the actual event wasn&apos;t it broadcast that the sleepwalkers had been reinserted?</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:24:04 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Between your comments here, Garu, and Grace&apos;s, I think this is going IC in an OOC thread again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What I&amp;nbsp;thought would make for a good&amp;nbsp;thread is the discussion of why reinsertion&amp;nbsp;is not still a goal of the Cypherites. It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; what they were after from the beginning, from Cypher to the Masked to Cryptos before we found out he had been overwritten. My thinking is that just because the procedure doesn&apos;t exist today, doesn&apos;t mean that the Machines won&apos;t work on the issue as a reward for the Cyphs and those Machine operatives that choose it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No one is saying that the methods or modus operandi of the two groups aren&apos;t different; they obviously are. After all, the Cypherite controller is a sadistic, psychopathic murderer. What you are describing is how they function; not who they are.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here is my example: EPN differentiates itself from Zion through the use of Neo. Zion really could care less about Neo, for the most part, whereas EPN would jump at the chance to get Neo or his remains back. Now that there is a war on, the activities of both groups are similar, but there will always be that extra definition for EPN.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In that vein, my question was, what is the Cypherites Purpose? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh, and Grace, if you don&apos;t know what the Sleepwalkers have to do with Cypherites, I suggest some research into the history of your chosen affiliation.&amp;nbsp;I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot; thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;My reply was purely OOC.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In my reply I was mainly addressing GamiSB&apos;s remarks about how indifferent Cypherites are in comparison to Machinists.&amp;nbsp; Personally I see them as &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; different groups and wished to express that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I completely agree with you that many Cypherites were after reinsertion initially.&amp;nbsp; That is because I believe it is characteristic of a Cypherite to loathe the Real and wish to return to the Matrix.&amp;nbsp; After Gray debunks that many are left wondering what to do.&amp;nbsp; However, they still loathe the Real and that&apos;s a key factor that drives them, imo.&amp;nbsp; Even without the reward of returning to the Matrix, they carry on.&amp;nbsp; Well..most of them still carry on.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And that gives you what separates a Cyph from a Mech, aside from objectives of course.&amp;nbsp; Cypherites hate the Real.&amp;nbsp; Their heaven seems to be the Matrix.&amp;nbsp; As a result they lash out, sometimes uncontrollably.&amp;nbsp; Machinists, on the other hand, are completely happy being awakened.&amp;nbsp; They are driven towards the desire of peace between humans and Machines.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Do Cypherites still dream of one day returning to the Matrix?&amp;nbsp; The ones I know do, in spite of everything.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It&amp;nbsp;seems to me that Reinsertion was only their personal motivation for joining the Cypherites.&amp;nbsp; The purpose of the group as a whole still remains to be a&amp;nbsp;deterent for awakenings as intended by Cryptos, who organized them at the wishes of the Machines.&amp;nbsp; How do they deter?&amp;nbsp; By being the angry, destructive, &amp;quot;kill you all&amp;quot; people who we all&amp;nbsp;know and love.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It could very well be that Reinsertion was never promised but the members assumed, just like the players, that such a procedure existed.&amp;nbsp; Who knows.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And that is my 2&amp;nbsp;cents at the two organizations as a whole based what I&apos;ve seen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:25:13 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Garu</author>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;Too many awakenings, we must monitor and take action against by all means. PERIOD&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:33:44 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot; thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sleepwalkers were never reinserted. There bodies remained on the ship they broadcast from and were not plugged back into the pods. At the end of the event, the feedback caused by the shutting down of all their &amp;quot;systems&apos; and fixing the hack they were using to rob redpills of their powers rebounded onto them. Thus they were still awakened however they could not remember anything and could not do what a redpill could. They then starved to death while remaining&amp;nbsp;jacked in and the rest finshed off by opertives.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rarebit explained elsewhere in a bit more detail I think on what happened and why it wasn&apos;t &amp;quot;reinsertion&amp;quot; but can&apos;t remember the thread.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I remember hearing that, but during the actual event wasn&apos;t it broadcast that the sleepwalkers had been reinserted?&lt;/blockquote&gt;*mumbles: &amp;quot;What the eyes read, the mind believes.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Same with the Machines intro mission. The agents in the mission say the dude is reinserted (or will be). But they&apos;re just saying it. There&apos;s no proof.&lt;br /&gt;The Architect indeed announced that the guys were reinserted. The only thing I can assume now is that the Architect is a liar. Not very surprising considering he&apos;s on the top of the foodchain in his world made of lies.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:47:30 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Syna</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Garu wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp; Though the nature and purpose of the Cypherites were revealed to the public as a &amp;quot;black ops&amp;quot; of the Machines, their purpose remains unchanged.&amp;nbsp; Even with the war.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is how I&apos;ve always viewed the Cypherite org although my character doesn&apos;t fall right into the typical Cypherite radical stereotype. To me, the Cypherites have always done what the Machines have really wanted to do, but couldn&apos;t because of the appearance that they have to maintain. We cancel out EPN&apos;s overzealous efforts by adhearing to the same lack of boundaries displayed by that organization. CTU if you will. We terrorize the terrorists.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:54:13 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Marias</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Syna wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot; thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sleepwalkers were never reinserted. There bodies remained on the ship they broadcast from and were not plugged back into the pods. At the end of the event, the feedback caused by the shutting down of all their &amp;quot;systems&apos; and fixing the hack they were using to rob redpills of their powers rebounded onto them. Thus they were still awakened however they could not remember anything and could not do what a redpill could. They then starved to death while remaining&amp;nbsp;jacked in and the rest finshed off by opertives.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rarebit explained elsewhere in a bit more detail I think on what happened and why it wasn&apos;t &amp;quot;reinsertion&amp;quot; but can&apos;t remember the thread.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I remember hearing that, but during the actual event wasn&apos;t it broadcast that the sleepwalkers had been reinserted?&lt;/blockquote&gt;*mumbles: &amp;quot;What the eyes read, the mind believes.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Same with the Machines intro mission. The agents in the mission say the dude is reinserted (or will be). But they&apos;re just saying it. There&apos;s no proof.&lt;br /&gt;The Architect indeed announced that the guys were reinserted. The only thing I can assume now is that the Architect is a liar. Not very surprising considering he&apos;s on the top of the foodchain in his world made of lies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Foun Rarebis post&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Rarebit wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Umm... Now, I may be remembering some of this wrong, but I think I may remember parts of it a little better than some of the speculation that&apos;s started in here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think the &amp;quot;canon&amp;quot; point about Sleepwalkers came up before the Blue Sky event, where we announced that we were doing a side story type of thing for fun for the anniversary, and that players shouldn&apos;t be expecting it to be part of the main story.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As far as Sleepwalker &amp;quot;reinsertion&amp;quot; goes, don&apos;t forget that Sleepwalkers were themselves victims of propaganda. They made claims of forcing everyone back into the pods, or some such, but it isn&apos;t as though that actually happened (although their spotlights were beginning to drain awakened abilities away--speed, regen for instance), or that they could have had any real notion of finding everyone&apos;s ships, hauling their bodies over to the Machine pods, and plugging them in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most of the Sleepwalkers died from feedback immediately in the Real. Some didn&apos;t die, but were basically stuck since their systems were fried, and probably died when their bodies starved to death. As for what the Architect announced just after the climax of the event, I think it was this (I pulled this quote from the server logs on hm I think Recursion, where a player had reproduced the system message--or what seems to my memory to be a reasonable fascimile thereof--in chat--the server logs I can see now don&apos;t actually have the world shout itself (or I&apos;m not finding it right), which is too bad... And I didn&apos;t take good logs back then. I&apos;m sure someone here has a screenshot at least.):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Architect: Thank you, humans. The feedback effect caused by your simultaneous destruction of the Sleepwalkers&apos; lights has wiped their system, effectively returning them to bluepill status. Pity that the irony of this will be lost on them.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;Effectively returning&amp;quot; did not mean actual reinsertion into the Machine pod system. Nowhere in the appearances afterwards by the org leaders, (Pace on Vector, for instance:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:08:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Greetings, tesoros!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:02:49&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:08:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; I am so pleased to meet you here.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:02:58&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:08:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Very well, thank you.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:03:06&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:08:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Oh my. There there, Aggie.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:03:21&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:08:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; You have done splendidly, rosapillore!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:04:11&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:08:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Thanks to your efforts, the Sleepwalkers are banished from the System!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:04:39&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:01&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; KingHazaa&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 45882&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 32476&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 3&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; AGENT PACE IS AT CLUB AVALON&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:06:49&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Their drain on the power supply of the simulation has come to an end. We are out of danger once again, thanks to you!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:05:10&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Yes, they had managed to channel a significant amount of power into their spotlight generators.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:05:34&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Ah, of course, Stuza! Good question!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:05:53&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; We have already found and patched the exploit they used to achieve this power drain.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:06:10&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The Sleepwalkers will trouble us no more.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:06:35&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; There is not much more to know, it seems.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:06:45&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; They were redpills, once Cypherites.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:06:52&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Programs? You mean, problems in the code?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:07:11&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; No, not like this, thank the Source!&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:07:28&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; This was a very bad one, and we took it very seriously.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:07:41&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Any unusual elements in the simulation should, of course, be reported.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:08:03&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -5079&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; -705&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 14890&lt;br /&gt;2006-04-03 00:13:02&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 23&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Agent Pace&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 0&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Something to do with their hacked jack-in devices, Kratos.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 03-Apr-2006 00:08:29&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;or in the &amp;quot;Requiescat in Pace&amp;quot; mission (where it describes how their power drain on the system was cut, their own systems fried, death and misery, etc), is reinsertion indicated. Probably all a moot point really, but I do so hate to see misinformation about the story being spread around without being challenged.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:57:25 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But see that was all before the war. Now no one is allowed to awaken blues so even the Machines are allowed to take whatever steps necessary to keep such from happening and have sot eh purpose in 7.1.4 is completely outdated.&amp;nbsp;The Machines don&apos;t need the Cyphs going behind the truce to work for them because there is no truce, they are allowed to go whatever they want against Zion. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The war killed the Cypherites purpose, the machines now cause just as much mayhem as the did Cyphs towards Zion and EPN so that&apos;s hardly some similar purpose that only the Cypherites have.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I agree that the war made the Cypherites &lt;i&gt;seem&lt;/i&gt; less necessary than before.&amp;nbsp; However, in war you still need spies...and meatshields. &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:57:32 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Garu</author>
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<description>So, in essence, what everyone is saying is that there really isn&apos;t much of a difference between the Machinists and the Cyphs, and everyone&apos;s cool with that?</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:08:56 GMT</pubDate>
<author>ShiXinFeng</author>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;I&apos;m&amp;nbsp;confident to say that&amp;nbsp;there isn&apos;t a significant difference in their&amp;nbsp;overall purpose(s) but the people that compose the two organizations have &lt;u&gt;very&lt;/u&gt; different outlooks and personal objectives.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:19:58 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Garu</author>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;ShiXinFeng wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Garu wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As stated in Machine critical mission 7.1.4, &amp;quot;Veils&amp;quot;, the purpose of the Cypherites is to prevent the excessive number&amp;nbsp;of awakenings that would exceed the allowed 1%.&amp;nbsp; Through sabotage and destruction they have performed to the expectations of the Machines, who established the organization.&amp;nbsp; Cypherites have been used to spy on and hinder Zion&apos;s operations.&amp;nbsp; Though the nature and purpose of the Cypherites were revealed to the public as a &amp;quot;black ops&amp;quot; of the Machines, their purpose remains unchanged.&amp;nbsp; Even with the war.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So what is their purpose, imo?&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;Mayhem.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Their purpose was not to be reinserted.&amp;nbsp; As we now know &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp; That was only a dillusion they created for themselves as a means of reward for their services.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As a machinist player, I&apos;m actually baffled by claims that Cypherites are nothing more than Machinists.&amp;nbsp; That&apos;s insane and I&apos;m sure Cypherite players feel the same way.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Though both groups work for the Machines, we each have our own exclusive functions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Between your comments here, Garu, and Grace&apos;s, I think this is going IC in an OOC thread again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What I&amp;nbsp;thought would make for a good&amp;nbsp;thread is the discussion of why reinsertion&amp;nbsp;is not still a goal of the Cypherites. It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; what they were after from the beginning, from Cypher to the Masked to Cryptos before we found out he had been overwritten. My thinking is that just because the procedure doesn&apos;t exist today, doesn&apos;t mean that the Machines won&apos;t work on the issue as a reward for the Cyphs and those Machine operatives that choose it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No one is saying that the methods or modus operandi of the two groups aren&apos;t different; they obviously are. After all, the Cypherite controller is a sadistic, psychopathic murderer. What you are describing is how they function; not who they are.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here is my example: EPN differentiates itself from Zion through the use of Neo. Zion really could care less about Neo, for the most part, whereas EPN would jump at the chance to get Neo or his remains back. Now that there is a war on, the activities of both groups are similar, but there will always be that extra definition for EPN.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In that vein, my question was, what is the Cypherites Purpose? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh, and Grace, if you don&apos;t know what the Sleepwalkers have to do with Cypherites, I suggest some research into the history of your chosen affiliation.&amp;nbsp;I do have to take the opportunity to reiterate that the whole Sleepwalker event with their reinsertions blows a huge hole through that &amp;quot;there is no such procedure&amp;quot; thing. Good thing the Piece of Blue Sky arc was non-canonical I guess.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fistly I wasn&apos;t talking IC, secondly my questionwas not about what the sleepwalkers have to do with the cypherites, I asked how YOU thinking of sleepwalkers brought up the Purpose of the Cypherites. Because the Sleepwalkers and Cypherites had completly different views. The Blue Sky concert was non-cannon, not the Sleepwalker incident</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:07:42 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Grace of Darkness</author>
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