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<title>Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>Zion is supposed to be located down near the center of the Earth. Kinda hard to measure where it will be on the surface from there. X3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But yeah, in the movies they tend to move their hovercrafts around to get to different locations in the city without moving physically (digitally?) through the city itself, as far as I could tell.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:35:38 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>I just assumed America because a lot of people have referenced MegaCity to Chicago&apos;s skyline.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So we know for a fact MegaCity is the ONLY city in the simulation?&amp;nbsp; Does this mean there could be multiple instances of MegaCity?&amp;nbsp; I highly doubt they have billions of people in one city &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:37:48 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought they moved their Hovercraft to get the best broadcast signal they could at the time. Location in the real shouldn&apos;t affect location in the simulation. Hence Neo meeting Seraph in Int (presumably) and going through the white halls to Debir court without the hovercraft having to move.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As for the skyline, the simulation itself is meant to imitate an American city sure enough but that doesn&apos;t necessarily mean that the simulation or Zion is located on/under American soil.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:55:40 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>If the Machine City = 01, and 01 was built in the middle east (Iraq?), doesn&apos;t it follow that Zion and New Zion are somewhere beneath there? We know that they can only hack into the Matrix&apos;s signal once they reach a certain depth (&amp;quot;broadcast depth&amp;quot;)&amp;nbsp;so proximity to the real-world servers is definitely a factor.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/as&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Edit: gah, smiley attack.&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:58:47 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>Zero One was in Saudi Arabia I think and if that was the city Neo and Trinity went to in &lt;i&gt;Revolutions&lt;/i&gt;, then I&apos;m guessing Zion wasn&apos;t too far from it.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:01:40 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Gerik wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Zero One was in Saudi Arabia I think and if that was the city Neo and Trinity went to in &lt;i&gt;Revolutions&lt;/i&gt;, then I&apos;m guessing Zion wasn&apos;t too far from it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Right, cause they showed in Animatrix the Machines taking captured soldiers back to 01 to experiment on them. It makes sense that the fields would be fairly close to 01, and the tunnels leading down to Zion started there.&amp;nbsp;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was thinking Iraq cause I remember at some point they referenced 01 being built in the &amp;quot;cradle of human civilization&amp;quot; which I took to mean Mesopotamia.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/as&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:07:31 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Gerik wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Zero One was in Saudi Arabia I think and if that was the city Neo and Trinity went to in &lt;i&gt;Revolutions&lt;/i&gt;, then I&apos;m guessing Zion wasn&apos;t too far from it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yep, there&apos;s that bit in &amp;quot;The Animatrix: Second Rennaissance&amp;quot; where a workman is cleaning the brass map outside the UN building and a fly lands on the map in the middle of Saudia Arabia, whereupon the workman smooshes the fly: shivery little bit of understated symbolism there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&apos;m guessing Zion is somewhere within a hovercraft flight of a few hours from Zero-One, so... perhaps it&apos;s under Jerusalem. Would make sense, since Zion is the biblical name for the hill it&apos;s built on, and that name is also used in the Bible as an alternate name for Jerusalem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:14:54 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Asna wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Gerik wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Zero One was in Saudi Arabia I think and if that was the city Neo and Trinity went to in &lt;i&gt;Revolutions&lt;/i&gt;, then I&apos;m guessing Zion wasn&apos;t too far from it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Right, cause they showed in Animatrix the Machines taking captured soldiers back to 01 to experiment on them. It makes sense that the fields would be fairly close to 01, and the tunnels leading down to Zion started there.&amp;nbsp;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was thinking Iraq cause I remember at some point they referenced 01 being built in the &amp;quot;cradle of human civilization&amp;quot; which I took to mean Mesopotamia.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/as&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeah, you&apos;re right Asna.&amp;nbsp; Also, in &lt;i&gt;The Second Renaissance&lt;/i&gt; there is a scene where a fly (symbolizing the fledgeling Machine civilization) lands on the UN map and a janitor (representing Man&apos;s intentions) squashes it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe 01 is there, and that Zion is probably dozens of miles away and very deep below the surface.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But to answer OP&apos;s question, we don&apos;t know.&amp;nbsp; We only truly know what the Machines have told us and what little we&apos;ve stolen from their mainframes.&amp;nbsp; The revelation of the Oligarch settlement threw me for a loop.&amp;nbsp; I think it&apos;s very likely the Machines have other locations where they keep humans alive, possibly controlled by another iteration of the Matrix entirely.&amp;nbsp; Also, it&apos;s possible some humans could&apos;ve survived the war and established colonies underground.&amp;nbsp; We won&apos;t know for sure until Rarebit decides to explore that option.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:25:28 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Vinia wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I thought they moved their Hovercraft to get the best broadcast signal they could at the time.&lt;b&gt; Location in the real shouldn&apos;t affect location in the simulation.&lt;/b&gt; Hence Neo meeting Seraph in Int (presumably) and going through the white halls to Debir court without the hovercraft having to move.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;It was a much better reception from the hovercraft at certain spots. They must have been using T-Mobile.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:15:08 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>Hovercraft can&apos;t move with people jacked in anyway, at least not in the movies. I remember a line from Morpheus after having set the Neb down, along the lines of &amp;quot;repatch the main AC to the hard drives and stand by to broadcast.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I gathered from that that a hovercraft can either broadcast, or travel, but doesn&apos;t have enough power to do both at the same time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hover-BARGES on the other hand may be different altogether. But even so I wouldn&apos;t expect they&apos;d move around too much while people are jacked in .. what would happen to those people if the signal was dropped, even for a few moments? Wouldn&apos;t they just fall down dead?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/as&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:25:05 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Asna</author>
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<title>Re:Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Asna wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Hovercraft can&apos;t move with people jacked in anyway, at least not in the movies. I remember a line from Morpheus after having set the Neb down, along the lines of &amp;quot;repatch the main AC to the hard drives and stand by to broadcast.&amp;quot; &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I gathered from that that a hovercraft can either broadcast, or travel, but doesn&apos;t have enough power to do both at the same time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hover-BARGES on the other hand may be different altogether. But even so I wouldn&apos;t expect they&apos;d move around too much while people are jacked in .. what would happen to those people if the signal was dropped, even for a few moments? Wouldn&apos;t they just fall down dead?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/as&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Ah, but what about The Final Flight of The Osiris? Pretty sure they were still flying while the asian chick was jacked in.</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:26:34 GMT</pubDate>
<author>Gerik</author>
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<title>Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;Just to fix a minor miss assumption. Zero One is not the Machine City.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the commentary given by the director of The Second Renaissance he says that 01 was destroyed by the nuclear bombing. The Machine city could be located in the same area but the name is unknown as the only canonl reference we have been given is &amp;quot;The Machine City&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:07:00 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>But here is something that might &apos;Bake you&apos;re noodle&apos; !!
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&lt;br&gt; As Zion has been rebuilt six times, can you believe anything that is really said in the Archives from the Animatrix?
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&lt;br&gt; It&apos;s a nice little way for people to change the cannon at a moment&apos;s notice.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:14:20 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>Also, regarding the location of Zero One, The General&apos;s Blog (Written by Chadwick, as far as I know) indicated that it was indeed in Iraq. I think he said that the Machines &amp;quot;bought it, dirt cheap&amp;quot;.&amp;nbsp;Sadly, that blog seems to have been deleted (/cry!).&amp;nbsp; Then again, the General was just trying to stir up trouble and nothing he said should be accepted as fact.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:17:34 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;cite&gt;Asna wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Hovercraft can&apos;t move with people jacked in anyway, at least not in the movies. I remember a line from Morpheus after having set the Neb down, along the lines of &amp;quot;repatch the main AC to the hard drives and stand by to broadcast.&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think they can, but I think because the Hovercrafts had to go up to a location where they were just barely in broadcast range that if they moved around they&apos;d mess up their signal to the Matrix. The Osiris was coming from the Surface, so I&apos;m sure it had good reception and could move while broadcasting.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:37:09 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>&lt;cite&gt;Gerik wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Ah, but what about The Final Flight of The Osiris? Pretty sure they were still flying while the asian chick was jacked in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That&apos;s a good point, I&apos;d forgotten about that. Well maybe eval&apos;s explantion is correct. Or maybe the Osiris, having been built&amp;nbsp;&lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_in_the_Matrix_series&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;ten years later&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;than the Neb, had better technology than the older ship.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11px;&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;CPT_Starschwar wrote:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12px;font-family: Verdana;color: #000000;&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #c0c0c0;&quot; class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;Also, regarding the location of Zero One, The General&apos;s Blog (Written by Chadwick, as far as I know) indicated that it was indeed in Iraq. I think he said that the Machines &amp;quot;bought it, dirt cheap&amp;quot;. Sadly, that blog seems to have been deleted (/cry!).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Have you tried the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.archive.org/web/web.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Wayback Machine&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;/as&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:37:13 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>The Machine City was reffered to as being in the &amp;quot;cradle of civilization,&amp;quot; or Mesopotamia, so that places it between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.&amp;nbsp; Basically that would be most of modern day Iraq, northeastern Syria, southeastern Turkey and the Khuzestan province in southern Iran.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:15:28 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;According to &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; canon, it isn&amp;#39;t the only one.&amp;nbsp; &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:56:30 GMT</pubDate>
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<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just to fix a minor miss assumption. Zero One is not the Machine City.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the commentary given by the director of The Second Renaissance he says that 01 was destroyed by the nuclear bombing. The Machine city could be located in the same area but the name is unknown as the only canonl reference we have been given is &quot;The Machine City&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;He may have said Zero-One was destroyed, but did he actually say the Machine City we know and love isn&amp;#39;t Zero-One? They could have rebuilt it and called it Zero-One again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And I&amp;#39;m &lt;em&gt;sure&lt;/em&gt; I saw a more recent reference to Zero-One somewhere in MxO. Probably during the Neurophyte story (and yes, I&amp;#39;m accepting that as canon &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;SMILEY&quot; /&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:14:59 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Re:Re:Re:How do we know Zion is the ONLY remnant city.</title>
<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Procurator wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;cite&gt;GamiSB wrote:&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just to fix a minor miss assumption. Zero One is not the Machine City.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the commentary given by the director of The Second Renaissance he says that 01 was destroyed by the nuclear bombing. The Machine city could be located in the same area but the name is unknown as the only canonl reference we have been given is &quot;The Machine City&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;He may have said Zero-One was destroyed, but did he actually say the Machine City we know and love isn&amp;#39;t Zero-One? They could have rebuilt it and called it Zero-One again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And I&amp;#39;m &lt;em&gt;sure&lt;/em&gt; I saw a more recent reference to Zero-One somewhere in MxO. Probably during the Neurophyte story (and yes, I&amp;#39;m accepting that as canon &lt;img src=&quot;/mxo/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;No he does not but one can assume that a Machiens logic would follow that when rebuilding the city the name would change to 02 or something simular. My point was only that we don&amp;#39;t know the &quot;offical&quot; name for the Machine city as the only name and city we have ever been given, was destroyed in a nucklear bombing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I do vaugly remember what your talking about and if I can find the mention of it it would be nice. I&amp;#39;m just trying to keep assumptions form being taken as fact as has happend too many times with this story.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:37:00 GMT</pubDate>
<author>GamiSB</author>
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