Folks, this was an OOC thread. I really wanted to hear from people about where the Cyph RP has gone and how we might bring it back, so to speak.

Ah, well I was reading through and I got the same impression that others must have gotten, which is an EPN member almost mocking the Cyphs on their apparent lack of purpose. In fact I was all geared up to state that Machinists deplore the use of Cypherites by the Machines until I read you latest post.

Perhaps a mention that you wanted this to be OOC and a discussion on ideas for Cyph RP and purpose etc.. in your first post would have prevented the IC posts.

I see what you're saying now though. Did Gray say that re-insertion wasn't possible for anyone or was that comment directed at Cryptos himself?

What differences? You keep saying there are some but what and where are they? The ideals of the Cypherites is for the system to remain peaceful so the blues in it can sleep peacefully. This is the exact same ideal the Machine shares about bluepills and their system. I'm not using time to prove that they work together I'm using logic. You can't have two organizations with the same ideals and claim that one's purpose is different than the other. Their not, working towards the same goal for the same reasons is the same purpose.

You know, since the war started, the lines seperating EPN and Zion seem to have blurred. The System, Machinists and Cyphs are fighting Zion, Zionites and EPN. Each of their methods are different, each of their goals are different, if only slightly i.e. Cyphs wan't to keep bluepills in the simulation, while Machinists want Mankind and Machines to live together where they want inside or outside the simulation.

Zion wanted to work toward peace and free those who wanted out while EPN wanted to give all bluepills the choice. It seems that Zion's priorities has changed to be more in line with EPN, opposing the system.

Well, I did kind of feel like since this was in the Character Development forum, and not the Next Ren or General forums, that it would kind of speak for itself. But...yeah.

Oh, and Gray says, "There is no such procedure."

Heh, good point. I think sometimes people miss the small details! As for Gray, his comment was directed at Cryptos, he was answering Cryptos' question. Gray was probably telling the truth, but Cryptos is a man overwritten with machine code that even Seraph couldn't remove. That could mean that there is no such procedure for Cryptos to be returned, but does it mean there is no such procedure at all? Cryptos made the assumption that it was a broad comment to include all Cypherites even saying Cypher didn't return.

A single spoken line was said, assumption did the rest...  

That's where you're wrong Vinia. That's the big difference between EPN and Cyphs; EPN still has a purpose. EPN follows the example of Neo, and has continued to fight, even when Zion stops fighting. They seek to uphold Neo's memory and to be a beacon for the ideals he stood for.

The Cyphs, named for the most famous Cypherite of them all; Cypher, don't have that kind of purpose anymore. The Cypherite org is all but relegated to PvPers, with just a scant handful of RPers among them.

And OOC revelations by rarebit finishes it. He's made it clear to point out that no one has ever been reinserted by the Machines predating that event.

Also just looking at simple facts about the first movie which is commonly used to support the reinsertion idea. That Cypher was promised to be reinserted. No he wasn't continue watching and we hear Brown question Cypher being alive or dead and ends with say "continue as planned deploy the sentinels". The original plan was to kill Cypher along with the Neb crew no matter if he was able to finish off everyone but Morpheus or not.

Also if we look at the allegory of the cave, which is what the first Matrix is primarily based off of. In it we see that once you leave the cave you can not return to it.

Oh I realise that, but that is Rarebit and OOC and right now. The fact is that what I said, is a possible way for that idea to be reversed, much like the way a villain can come back from the dead.

The Agents original plan was indeed to kill Cypher but just because they did doesn't mean that the procedure or normal redpills wasn't available, he was just more useful at that point because they were after his captain. Although I'd presume that, if that were the case, it would be more efficient to return a large number rather than individuals.

As for the allegory of the cave, I don't believe I've heard of that.

MxO_Neopill wrote:

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Basically that everything's a copy of an original and we're forced to endure the copies because we're chained together in a cave. Also, that if we ever choose to leave the cave, when we go back and tell everyone else there's some pretty cool stuff outside, they'll hate us for trying to ruin their lives.

Ah, I see. I wonder if this was part of the reason why Cypher wanted to remember nothing... NOTHING, or whether it's because he simply didn't want to remember anything about it.

That cave allegory I understand (about as much as I can, I'm not much of a philosopher), but I was introduced to it in another manner, probably on TV or something, hence the confusion.

If the Machines can wipe minds, if a person doesn't remember what they've seen or done, wouldn't that get around the cave allegory?

Croesus wrote:

Yes, cool wall flippy moves for gun users too please!

No animation for that in the game + no animatior atm = ain't gonna happen soon.

I'll go you one better: if the Machines had a mindwipe/reinsertion procedure, don't you think they would have perfected it and instead of killing 'redpills', reinserting them?

Hence why I said earlier 'I'd presume that, if that were the case, it would be more efficient to return a large number rather than individuals'.

But hey, why am I arguing a case for Cyphs? They should be doing it themselves!

It could as far as the Allegory is concerned however Reloaded moves the Matrix beyond the allegory. In Reloaded we find out about the subconscious choice that all humans have that decides for them if they reject or accept. Wiping one's memories would not affect this, it actually would only bring it that much closer. Without any reason to not want to reject the Matrix again nothing is stopping them from doing so.

You have a point, but that is if they live the exact same lives as before. Whilst they would again have the itch or the questioning of reality, their decision when faced with the choice could be different depending on their situation, i.e. family, status etc.. Cyph said he wanted to be famous, most likely because of greed, but possibly to try to combat the impulse to be freed again.

The Human characteristic of curiosity is strong, granted, but it can be overcome.

Well he did say 'After checking the ability it does infact do this' so perhaps when he PM'd you (I'm guessing it was before the made the quote above) he didn't actually check the ability first.

tbh, I really thought the 10th shirt was finally gonna be an agents shirt/suit jacket, and the female version of it, at least that woulda been worthwhile to get.

1) Thats always good.
2)How about i start complaining now.
3) nothing in store? Ive been in this game from the beggining , and let me tell you...im not expecting much. Maybe a dev MIGht actualy get on a character and name him Smith. Then go around killing people , making them him smithlings *like the movie* and then everyone will be flagged.
4)Again , i wont expect the devs to do anything.

If they do , then ive been proven wrong. But i have yet to be proven wrong when it comes to events like this.

Ive seen people log on that i havent seen since cr1 Just to see the 2 year event.This could of been mxo big break through but i dont think sony saw that and didn't realy try.

/smoke Already exists!  We see the Oracle in the cinematic smoking, and in theory that's made using the in-game engine so clearly the animator has added it and it could easily be made available to players.

I was under the impression that the cinematics where animated using the same engine but with different mechanics. I.E. each movement had to be programmed in which would mean that the smoking that the Oracle did isn't an /emote command.

At least, that's my impression of it. Which would mean the use of an animator to create the /smoke emote.

I'm further speculating that the existing 3D model and animation could be triggered to play by using a /slash command just as all emotes work now. 

'SoE encourages gamers to smoke...'

You know what the press are like!

We've got drug props, bomb props, anthrax props.  We don't see headlines about promoting drug use and terrorism.  As mentioned earlier we've got /suicide and /vomit, yet there are no headlines about SOE encouraging players to commit suicide or become bullemic (sp?).

Croesus wrote:

Well I won't tell them if you don't!

Also that idea about spawning an Agent if smoking for too long in a building is class!

Cool, glad to hear another player is on board with the idea.  C'mon devs let's see some support!

I was also thinking it could be a consumable that gives a buff\debuff.  It could add a few points to concentration, determination, and initiative, maybe increase inner strength a little for 600 seconds.  It could decrease movement speed a few percent and have a % chance to dmg (burn hole) one of your clothing slots and knock a few points off your health every time you used it.  When the buff part wears off it could have a second debuff that activates and decreases concentration and a few points inner strength for a 300 seconds.  Perhaps we could have different versions with different buff\debuff combos.  You could bum one off the Oracle that gives 25% inner strength regen for 600 seconds or something.

They just need to change out the cookie\pill\stake\tactic booster\holy water\silver bullet icon for a cigarette icon and tie the smoking animation and cig model into it's use.    

I think other characters did smoke in the films.  The twins were smoking a hookah in the Merv's restaurant when we first see them in reloaded.  Cypher smokes a cigar while meeting with Agent Smith to discuss his insertion back into the power plant. 

I also disagree that physical damage in the simulation from smoking would be manifested in the real.  Operatives "die" all the time.  A knife in the forehead or swift kick to the groin has got to be worse than enjoying a smoke to calm your nerves during war.  It wouldn't make sense bullets and all those things wouldn't be a problem in the real but smoking would.  That'd be like eating too much Merv cake makes you overweight in the real or being promiscuous gets a virus transmitted to you in the real.

1. Station Login
2. Station Game Choices
3. New Station Window when Selecting Any MMO not just MxO
4. New Login Prompt
5. Script Error
6. End Result

Try doing the following, as this seems to fix some of the more general issues but god only knows if it'll work for your problem:

 

delete archive.txt

if you installed with default path it will be here:

C:\Program Files\Sony\Station\Station Launcher\LaunchPad2

you will lose your preferences and it will not remember you

 

That's a general reset of the Launcher information.

Try doing the following, as this seems to fix some of the more general issues but god only knows if it'll work for your problem:

 

delete archive.txt

if you installed with default path it will be here:

C:\Program Files\Sony\Station\Station Launcher\LaunchPad2

you will lose your preferences and it will not remember you

 

That's a general reset of the Launcher information.

Oooh that's a new one, congratulations

I'll have to get back to you on that, I'll forward it onto the main bugs list to see if I can get an answer on it for you

What's happening is that you're having an issue with your login authentication. Why I'm not entirely sure, hopefully we'll find out soon.

 

TRACK THIS BUG ON THE STATION FORUMS HERE

Why not play vector and see it all as red, like it should be?

Croesus wrote:

Whenever I click on a trial button the new popup window just appears with an offset login prompt. THen an error in scripts occurs. When continued, It just says you have logged, please log out when you are done. No options to allow a trial or anything... I've submitted it to the SoE Luancher forum but no response as of yet.

Couldyou give me some more specifics of exactly how you're going through the process, from when you login (with whatever account ~ is it your main or a recently created account) right up until you have this issue?

Even if I can't help you, the more details the better really as it helps when replicating the fault

Because most people have the grace and focus to land lightly.

Besides - that's a special hyperjump feature reserved for Morpheus.

Well, my guide will always have some bias, but in this case, I believe, from the information I received from events and general information provided by others, that Commander Lock(e) had always assumed the Truce wasn't going to last and prepared the new city in preparation for its inevitable breaking.