Fen wrote:

Walrus wrote:

I understand the concerns you all have and am doing what I can to see that we address them. In the meantime, we are looking at ways to improve the game with what resources we have. With the upcoming anniversary, I owe Virrago an article, so you'll be hearing more from me soon.

That was sixteen days ago.  It's been two weeks and no word?  Poop or get off the pot, dude.

New news:

Walrus @ Anni party on Rec: there is no news. MxO will continue to run as it is now.

Sorter wrote:

Darkhawk wrote:

All I say, since ppl are so eager for this letter thing,

Be careful what you wish for.

Are you all really sure you want to read this letter? What if it means the servers shut down and MxO end we have all been dreading (but not exactly unsuspecting)?

Are you sure you want to read it then?
I'll hope for the bight side, and it'll mean better news than that - but .. it's MxO after all.

Wally will get to it when he gets to it. Maybe he doesn't want to put it out, because of the uproar that will ensue.

Oh well.

I'd rather hear bad news than no news.  I'd prefer to know if there is a shutdown date, if there is one, so I can plan accordingly.  Always better to know the bad news then to keep things hidden from us (which accomplishes nothing except creating lots of resentment).

This

cloudwolf wrote:

deimoslvov wrote:

Renesis13B wrote:

Walrus basically said he had no new information.  When he gets some firm details im sure he will share them.

Honestly, if Walrus gets some new information for us and obtains something that will give MxO a decent future (byt this I mean a leading dev, of course), I'm ready to wait for a producer's letter with an announcement of it all for one more month. Hey, I could wait two months even!   

What he said.

Of course you could wait those two months and still not see a Producers letter. Waiting is all well and good.. when you know one is coming.

That was a returning player service announcement from the MxO welcoming committee.

Good luck on getting everyone to agree on which server

Villemar_MxO wrote:

I think we should relax and give Mr. Walrus time until the end of the Anniversary Event to let us know what the status of the game is.  I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt!  We love the Walrus, let him see if he can go to bat for us, or at the very least touch base with us. 

Sounds reasonable enough. I just hope that he doesn't say something like being unsure whats going to happen, but the Halloween event is around the (extremely far away) corner. I suspect if he did say something it would probably be about FF '09, that event which only a tiny fraction of the games community can get to/is interested in.

The_Bruceter wrote:

...considering it does say that your flag should be back up.

I agree that it's annoying and pathetic for those who blue snipe (or blue punt) to run and deflag so they can do it again and again. But the message doesn't say your flag should be back up, it says that normal pvp rules now apply once more, in non-hostile servers this means when you're unflagged, you remain unflagged until /pvp or attacking a hostile player.

Should it be changed so that the pvp timer resumes upon leaving or that the timer continues but the flag is dropped only when in the club (which means those who do it would have to stay in the club for the remainder of the time until they naturally deflag)? I would be all for that but I gather its technically difficult to code in a pause to the timer or to disassociate the flag from the timer.

One reason why a hostile server is better than non-hostiles. Is it CCR'able? I tend to doubt it, yes it's cheap, yes it tends to kill pvp most of the time but the pacification zone does what it's supposed to do. It deflags a player and upon leaving a pacification zone, unless you wander into a pvp zone, the server pvp rules apply. I'm sure it's been CCR'd countless times but personally I've not heard of anyone being warned for doing it continuously or anything. It's a trait of non-hostile servers which most of us who pvp on non-hostile servers have gotten used to and react to in a few ways.

The_Bruceter wrote:

All i ask for is to be flagged when you walk back out, which surely is possible since your pvp timer must be still running for it to kick up a messgage saying PvP rules apply.

No, no it isn't, I thought this had been explained. Look for the key word in the message:

the flag has been turned off.. and just as the message says in the second line, when you leave the pacification zone:

Normal PvP rules that apply to a non-hostile server are 'Non-Hostile until typing /pvp, attacking a Hostile player or entering a PvP zone'. Hostile worlds are one big PvP zone which is why your flags turn back on after leaving.

Should it be back on when leaving, I still say yes with the Paci zone either pausing the pvp timer or still allowing it to continue in the background. However it doesn't and no matter how many times this has been CCR'd, /bug'd, complained about on the forums, it's not changed and it's unlikely to change.

If you're gonna PvP on a 'carebear' server you'd just have to get used to the extra danger of blue snipes/punts etc..

Neoteny wrote:

Anyone else relieved to see the newsletter posting that we'll be getting a new dev by the 24th?

I'm not too sure how the new guy will be - it's probably just an intern or something, anyway (like SoE would ever put money on us) but it's nice to have someone.

(April Fools)

Endomorph wrote:

thats a snazzy shade of blue.

I still have no motivation to level up another character, let alone one on Vector

deimoslvov wrote:

With all the huge sympathy I have both for Tranque and Villemar, I don't buy the "I'm not rich, I can't afford" part.

Let's see. I live and earn money in Ukraine, which is very far from being the richest country in the world and which is officially the hardest hit by the current economic crisis in Europe. And still, with a relatively small revenue - compared to the US and EU, where even a frankly mediocre job makes people earn twice as much as I do - I can afford paying 15 bucks per month. So no, I won't believe people out there in US or EU can't afford paying 50 cents a day for a game they want to play.

In my eyes, it's not a question of possibility/affordability, but a question of willingness. It's quite understandable you may not want to pay this price for a game with no new content. But please, do not say you can't/ because that doesn't sound too honest. 

Uh, yeah.. Some people may earn more than you but did the possibility that they have more outgoings than you occur?

Using myself as an example, I'm in the forces, it pays fairly well but I have a family I provide for, what with food and electricity and gas bills, then car bills (MOT/Tax/fuel/insurance), phone bills, internet bills, credit card bills, loans, insurance etc... I'm just lucky I don't have to pay a mortgage on the house I live in. Add to that we just had a daughter born we're tight for cash at the moment and if anything was to be cut it would probably be things that we could do without such as MxO.

So even though people may earn more than you, doesn't mean that they aren't struggling to afford stuff. Willingness has got bugger all to do with it.

Missioning provides more than enough $i to level up your abilities, add to that the $i you loot from dead NPC's and selling the crap you pick up from them. Perhaps it's not the game that sucks but the player?

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Oh come now, I can see how a new player might be frustrated if they're just diving in without knowing the best way to level, what abs to load, etc.

Just replying in the same tone as the question, nothing more.

Besides from someone who previously made a thread stating that they've already got the archive rewards they want and was asking which Archives gave the best XP I'd assume that they'd at least have a fairly decent handle on how things work by now. Unless it's an alt, I'm surprised that after getting the archive rewards they're only lvl 8.

Perhaps I've just forgotten what it was like to be new.

Garu wrote:

Fen wrote:

Walrus at Fan Faire:  "Alright folks, I know you have a lot of questions about the future of the Matrix Online and I'm here to help put a few of your worries to rest.  Now, I know--"

*interrupted by a Fan Faire aide whispering in his ear*

"Oops, gotta go folks.  We're meeting up with Ten Ton Hammer to talk about the Agency!  Make sure you look out for new information that we'll be releasing about the Agency soon!  See you on the other side of the looking glass, folks!"

*zoom!*

Genius.

Uncanny

Amad3us wrote:

One of the many reason things are as they are. The entire community has gotten severely clique-ish and honestly just overall rude for no reason. If it's not the devs (or lack thereof) driving people away, it's the players. Always one or the other.

Perhaps, but I do remember when I was new I didn't go around blaming my lack of knowledge/skill/experience on the game. In this case, my response was appropriate to the originating comment, imo.

Besides, the amount of people showing willingness to help in this thread alone let alone the Redpill rescue section seems to show that overall the community is still one of the better ones out there with regards to aiding new players.

Gerik wrote:

Nope

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Amad3us wrote:

So what if he goes off on a stupid rant about how "the game sucks". All you have to do is show him the way.

Hardly makes sense to reply with "Yeah? Well you suck!", no?

[...]why should we sugar coat anything anyway?  If there's no support, no content, no development from SOE anymore than there's no amount of sucking up to new players that can turn around the mass exodus of the player base.

Precisely.

Plus tbh, suggesting to the guy that the problem may not be down to the game but down to him is showing him the way. I've helped no end of new players but I always treat them as I would any player old or new and as such a polite or even normal request for help goes down a lot better than a rant.

Personally, I don't see the point of mollycoddling new players, especially now. It's all well and good giving them a big welcoming hug, wrapping them up in a metaphorical big fluffy blanket, making them feel special when all your succeeding in doing is increasing the likelihood of them packing up and leaving when the blanket gets taken away (because face it, noone gets treated like a new player for very long) and the reality of the situation sets in.

However that may just be me and as I said before the other responses to the question (ignoring the tone of it) hardly exhibits traits which Amad3us claims the whole community has.

I wonder if that question on the station forum will be ignored by SOE staff like a good number of other MxO related questions.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

WhySoSerious wrote:

What's the point of these threads? SOE doesn't own The Matrix Online. They license it. Everything must be approved by WB. So when you don't see MxO on something it's because WB either took to long or said No. So making these threads and then busting SOE is stupid. Bust WB balls.

WB has NOTHING to do with this:

Agreed, SOE has advertised the game on their site before, they still have the license. I don't see any reason why WB would stop them from doing (what little it was) what they were doing previously. It's not as if they were using Matrix images or doing anything but promoting the game by name and link.

If time for approval is an issue then SOE could have applied for approval earlier. This is simply just another sign that SOE are happy just to keep MxO online as part of their Station pass. At this point I believe that the only thing SOE are willing to provide for us other than the continuing running of the servers is Virrago.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

CodeNut wrote:

edit: lol you guys post too fast, seriously, the complaining seems to be the most eager thing on the forums these days

Before you flame me about your right to complain, refresh your memory about how complaining about MxO has been going on since launch. The game was not great back then either, just new to you and me, that newness is not something we can ever get back and is the singlemost reason why most MMORPG's don't last. 

MxO is in far better shape now than it ever was after launch. SOE may not be doing what you think it should be doing for this game but SOE is still the only reason this game is still here. No other company, including WB and Monolith would have been able to sustain it for this long, why do you think they sold it so quickly after release?

There's a right way to do things, and a wrong way to do things.

Indeed, it's just a shame that it seems that most of the subs we pay seem to go toward supporting other games. This view could be dead wrong (Although I doubt it is) but we don't get told otherwise, hell we don't even get any type of communication on the forums from the Producer anymore.

In fact the only interaction we have with someone from SOE seems to be with Virrago but there's only so much he can do unfortunately.

CodeNut wrote:

It's a store and MxO has no products to sell in a store. Did they go out of their way to delist it because they want to hate on MxO, or is it just that there's nothing to list so they didn't include it?

 

Planetside has no products..

Oh look, thats still there..

>.>

Gerik wrote:

Riac wrote:

lol.

 

Lt0Brien wrote:

I have to say "Code-dude, are you friggin serious?"

Took the words right out of my mouth.

This guy said:

Who cares about other MMO's?

Well at the moment I don't, I only care about this one along with many others, which is why we're complaining when we're getting right royally screwed by SOE.

Funny that, for someone who's been 'playing since launch', his eyes are screwed shut from the reality of whats happening. So unless he or someone else who seems to be living in that dreamworld can point me toward another Matrix MMO, as soon as SGW or TOR or ST:O comes out I'm out of here and I suspect a good deal more have the same plan.

Virrago wrote:

That view is dead wrong... I can honestly say that 100% of all MxO Subscriptions go towards MxO.

Appreciate your chipping in on this Virrago but I don't suppose you could tell us what it gets spent on? I realise asking for figures is out of the question. I can only think of staff and server maintenance but considering Rarebit has left and the monthly sub has not gone down it is quite puzzling.

Also you do realise that you will be quoted quite firmly on this from this point in?

Virrago wrote:

Croesis wrote:

 I don't suppose you could tell us what it gets spent on?

Actually, no, I can't.

Thought that might be the case, worth a shot though right?

Still as Villemar said anything official from yourself or even Walrus goes a long way to keep the rumour mill in check, even if it does creat more questions!

Tseng. wrote:

And the mad scientist?

I continue to play because of the people. If it wasn't for them I'd have quit already. Thats why I still play and still post complaints about SOE's treatment of the game that I loved for a long time.

There is no 'why complain and still play' when the reasons for doing both are obvious. I play because of the community, I complain because that community is getting affected by decisions out of it's hands.

Well apparently they're working for The Agency now and MxO's subs don't go into funding that. Rarebit didn't work for free and the price has not been reduced since his departure...

On a side note, I think pretty much everyone appreciates what Virrago does in game and on the forums to provide a little entertainment or distraction every now and again.

• Give away your stuff.
• Make sure you will be unsubbed at the end of sub.
• Make sure that SOE doesn't re-bill you for a new month (if you pay by credit card).
• Think about what MMO you'll be playing next.
• RP Kill your character in a unique and funny way.

Shims FTW!

Garu wrote:

Win.

On a serious note though, I have it on good authority that a few folks might be working on "something".

Player folks? Or, dare I ask, SOE folks?

At this point in time I'm willing to entertain even the tiniest bit of hope. Something written by a SOE janitor written on the back of a ag packet and implemented by SOE's worst intern would be something at least..

Garu wrote:

Player folks. ^^

Ha, knew that small bit of hope was too much to hope for! I think my previous post used up my capacity for positivity for today.

Excellent thread. Would read again.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Fen wrote:

I believe someone did try to continue the story, but the event got flamed into non-existance before it could even start.

Lesig 3.0 ftl?  lol

Exactly

Fen wrote:

I'm just saying, any attempt by anyone in this community to do anything with the 'official story' will be met with the same derision and ridicule that LESIG 3.0 and "The Shadow Run" did.  It was lol-worthy, but at the same time, it was people who seemed to be going out of their way to entertain our community.

You make a point, but it was really the presumptuous way it was announced that caused the drama, imo. Stuff like this GCET thing seems to look like a decent attempt but without assumed air of officiality (whether that was intended or not by the other team).

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