Zeac wrote:

what lvl 50 would need 40 pts to stealth?

It could be to counter act the valk shades but meh its not all that useful.

Not to mention the -still- most useless Max IS Bonus (only 2 abs exist that are influenced by them, 1 is for proxies, 1 is a debuff, though there is a title that gives a little max IS).

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Voted for austria " />

P.S.: That's the last hidden choice. >_>

Amen.

The post did say popular games

We're Popular?   When did this happen?!

Reeverb wrote:

You want everyone to be given the choice to waken up or to stay asleep. In order to do this, you must tell them the truth about the reality they are actually living in. How you do this is irrelevant. You can hack computers, guide them to a doctor, or use any other method you Neonites prefer. In the end it comes down to telling them the truth. Here you decide for others and that's unacceptable.

You tell me that I can't speak for the masses but I am not doing this. It's you who believe you have the right to make decisions for the innocent with your manifesto.

Your solution is flawed and you continue to prove that.

No you do not have to tell them the truth to have them decide if they want to wake up or stay asleep, hell isn't that what they are waking up to. The truth. All we ask is that everyone be allowed to hear what leads up to the truth and the choice of seeing the truth.

Told that on one side you have the truth, the hard, horrid, truth that you will have to give up everything you know and love to see. And on the other side you have the lie, the security of knowing the life you live now is all you need to be happy and you wouldn't give it up for the world.

Then show them the two pills, tell them the bluepill allows them to forget the whole thing ever happened and they go back to there job, kids, family, friends, back to their life if they aren't willing to risk them for the truth. And that the redpill says they are willing to give it up. That they are willing to risk the life they have lived in order to see this hard truth. Then they choose.

that is it. That is all. That's all we want. Nothign else, nothing more, nothing less. That conversation to be allowed to take place with every bluepill. That every bluepill has the chance of hearing that despite not being part of the 1%. So that they know and we know that they do or do not want out of the system. Your saying we are making all these decisions for them and speaking on there behalf but we aren't!

Everything I have suggested revolves around there choice, not mine but their's. The bluepill is always in control of the situation. They are told allot yes but they still make the choices, they choose to see and ask someone about the truth, they choose to listen to the person explaining what they are asking for, they then choose to accpet what they have been told is real or bull *CENSORED*, and they choose which pill to take.

All we do is offer them a place to learn more about it, a person to exaplin it to them, and a pill to choose between if they want to see it or not..

99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix.

You can consider me the person who is aware that after all this damage has been done by either side we can never peacefully coexist.

I have surpassed the lie that many still beleive in,  To even attempt such things will bring us more casualties and further divide the human race.

We spend soo much time and energy defending a goal that is obviously flawed, maybe the machines have realized this before the zion council and those who follow their lead.

 I choose my own path, one that Neo firmly beleived in, until he realized it was too late and mankind was at the brink of destruction.

Much like the other saviour that we are all familiar with, Neo gave his life for both the good and the evil so they may carry on with a certain level of peace, basically delaying the inevitable destruction of both worlds.

But again this was only a delay, in hopes that many more could be saved from the system, before his second comming..were he will spread justice amongst those left...

The true question here is..Wich side are you on? As only one will inherit the earth.

GoDGiVeR wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix.

Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time.  But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well...

Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious.

Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible?

As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines could survive without humanity is 
another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far , even if that means to break the truce.

And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy.

The bluepill cannot alter the subconscious as you belief. It erases your memory but if I may draw an anology to Computers: You can erase any data you like but some parts will always be reconstructable. Of course there are more enhanced eraser programs that work so efficient that nearly no data can be reconstructed but that's still not enough and such programs are rarely used. According to this analogy and the fact that the humans of Zion produced and worked on the design of both pills, one can say that the erasing program of the blue pill is not at an level of efficiency (although Mashine Blue Pills of nowadays might be, although I have no knowledge that they produce some that are different to those of Zion) where the memory can be erased so that in  most cases no data (the splinter) remains. Maybe you are lucky and remove the splinter from their mind, but maybe you're not and the splinter remains. Your argument only is able to slow down the process I said to the degree of efficiency of the blue pill.

GoDGiVeR wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

GoDGiVeR wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

99% isn't allowed to be aware, have it offerd, or even persue the choice thus they are bound to stay in the Matrix.

Actually that is wrong. All 100% have the choice, but only 1% are aware of it. The other 99% are not not (which means yes) allowed to be aware of it, have it offered or being able to persue the choice. The problem is: They are simply unaware of it and don't "need" to become aware of it as they have chosen (according to the choice EVERYONE has been given) that this is the world they want to live in. But that doesn't mean that they can't change that choice of theirs at any given time.  But forcing them to chance their choice by the means you stated Gami, well...

Wrong? Oh so then that little mission set in the Machine criticle archives where they were tracking down a Zion ship that sent out a few emails to the masses to locate potential bluepills never happend right? I believe there reasoning for trying to locate it bwas because it was sent to everyone and not people in the 1% that accoridng to them are allowed to be freed which was a violation of the truce. Right now no one outside the 1% is allowed to know about the truth, to be offerd a chance to find out about the truth, or even allowed to know it exicest outside the subconcious.

Pfft, that's inside information then (that archieve). I think that anyone in the system can adress themselves to those topics, with boundaries (of course, but unfortunately) given. But actually it is inevitable nowadays since the redpill and Exile population grows and their (passive and active) influence gets stronger but not yet stronger than Mashine control. It is a matter of time until the Mashines either drastically seperate us from the public or let them roam around more freely. What do you think is more possible?

It doesnt matter, the fact is that people are not being allowed to hear something or even haveing the chance to decide if they want to hear it. Freedom of speech aparently does not apply when dealing with the truth and that is what needs to be changed. Stop the censorship, stop babying everyone and allow huamnity to think for it's self again.

So you're for the second version (marked). I can't say that the censorship is good but neither can I say that's totally evil since it keeps us at bay and Zion safe.

As I stated earlier, giving everyone, depsite of their own subconscious choice, the choice to take the blue pill or take the red pill, the experience will ultimately alter their subconscious leading to a dramatic increase of those who want free and thus unbalancing the system of the Matrix as seen by the Oracle (she forewsaw a balance at 1%). This will inexorably lead to a cataclysmic system crash ((the same way it should have gone when Neo chose to save Trinity instead of reinserting to the prime program and resetting the Zion/Matrix cycle. But Neo found a way... you know that part. I say this OOC cause my character doesn't know this.)) and therfore to the nullifying of the truth and the upcoming extinction of the human race. If the Mashines 
could survive without humanity is another question but they wouldn't allow us to get that far, even if that means
to break the truce.

And as I said earler no it wont. The bluepill, why are you people forgetting about that pill. What it does, what its there for, why Cypherites use it on people and themselves. The bluepill puts a person into a deep sleep that when they wake up from they think everything taht happend to them that day was just a dream. The only people this wont work on is those that are apart of the 1%. The rest of them aftering takieng are in dream land and when they wake up they forget about it. I't wont increase it, its there so those that they who take it go back to there peacefuly lives they don't want to give up and so they stay happy.

The bluepill cannot alter the subconscious as you belief. It erases your memory but if I may draw an anology to Computers: You can erase any data you like but some parts will always be reconstructable. Of course there are more enhanced eraser programs that work so efficient that nearly no data can be reconstructed but that's still not enough and such programs are rarely used. According to this analogy and the fact that the humans of Zion produced and worked on the design of both pills, one can say that the erasing program of the blue pill is not at an level of efficiency (although Mashine Blue Pills of nowadays might be, although I have no knowledge that they produce some that are different to those of Zion) where the memory can be erased so that in  most cases no data (the splinter) remains. Maybe you are lucky and remove the splinter from their mind, but maybe you're not and the splinter remains. Your argument only is able to slow down the process I said to the degree of efficiency of the blue pill.

So what your saying then is that any person that has taken the bluepill after going threw the procedures we have now is going to wake up? Thats what your saying right? that the offering of the choice affects the subconcious and that cant be undone?

When did I say that the obvious flaw in the deletion programming of the blue pill awakes you sooner or later? I said that there's the possibility that the splinter stays, even after the process. And no, the choice can never be undone. It will affect that person forever. This doesn't necessarily make ppl wake up again, though.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree. if this was true humans would be wakeing up left and right without takeing pills becasue there subconcious was alterd and this entire procedue would a danger period because if you so much as talk to a person they wake up. You said it yourself the subconcoius is not something that is easly manipulated so how is something like this going to affect it? It's not and if it does the bluepill takes care of it.

"You didn't come here to make the choice you've alreayd made it. Your here to understand why you made it" Thats what the pills do, they offer an explination of why your about to choose red or blue.

The blue pill solidifies the subconscious choice that you do not want to know the truth. Of course the experience of that choice could be still stuck afterwards. But those who take the blue after already being free already made the other choice once and thus there's this possibility too. You take it to the extreme though. What I speak of is a small margin of error along the line, which is of course not unimportant. But according to your belief the blue pill takes care of all problems. The choice cannot be undone. And the effect on the subconscious choice of rejecting or accepting the Matrix through taking one of the pills should not be taken all too easy. This is a new topic, since during the war and the Zion/Matrix cycles, there wasn't enough influence and chance through redpills to show this.
Of course, if you take the pills once the affect would be unknowingly (but definitely very) small. But if the process is repeated (which could very well happen these days) the aftereffects could be unwanted and lead unwanted awakening through "bluepill overdose". ((OMG new term creations at it's best )) if you give the blues the choice to think about the choice the margin of error could be widened, the same way it could be widened by every sight of Matrix bending. Heck, it's of course not confirmed neither unconfirmed, even the "invisible" Code Pulse could affect blues at a very small level.
 

Amazing how hard people will argue to defend their position now that they've seen the truth about us, isn't it, guys?

Look at them, fighting so desperately to cling to their own false assumptions. Just like a bluepill who isn't ready to be freed.

This just goes to show you, no matter what, people are just going to keep their minds closed and think what they want to think just because that's what they've been told.

Actions speak louder than words, I suppose.

GoDGiVeR wrote:

I personly would let them choose whatever it is they want. They want out, let them be free. They want back in allow them to be reinsurted, they want back out again, then give it to them. Sooner or later they will find the world where they are happy.

Yeah but the question now is. Is a multiple switch between the realities and thus also the multiple use of the blue pill healthy? Well, I'm no scientist but I'd say no. Of course it hasn't happened so far as far as I know.

There is no point in continuing the arguments here.

Our manifesto was not published here to invite your challenges. Although we had no doubt there would be some, and we do not fear these questions, this was designed to be a statement of who we are and what we intend to do.

You may continue to argue your points, to pick apart our declaration, but know that your arguments will not deter us from our mission.

The Machines are the ones who must realize failure. No matter how hard they try to control the human race, they can never be rid of even the smallest percentage of us who will never accept them as masters.

 

Favourite? MA

Easiest for kill? MKT, Using MKT effectively doubles my kill-rate in PvP and I'm not kidding. Also, try to block an average roll of 125 on a Punt, where your average defense roll lies quietly at about 20-60.

pyro20 wrote:

Bayamos wrote:

my sims generally have the AI of a four year old.

Thats insulting to four year olds.

True, plus the AI is already good 5 years old.

Also, the Machines know that plugging everyone back into the Matrix would cause a system failure, because of the 1% that reject it.  That's why they created Zion in the first place -- as a place to hold those who reject the simulation. 

 

Illyria

Now who thinks they know what Neo wanted, eh GodGiver?

It's "Inappropriate", not "Un-".

I'm in ur threadz.  Bein ur Spelling Nazi.

E Pluribus Neo are the true terrorists, killing innocent Blue Pills with their code bombings and blatant acts to distabalyze the Matrix...

To show that you are ready to live by the words of the long dead broker of the Truce, the man whose actions resulted you being awakand, and alive?

Random acts of Violence.

The "leaders" of EPN, sicken me.

The Matrix is perpetually set in the year 1999 (to my knowledge). 

Lowbie PvP is quite different than end-lvl (50) PvP. They haven't got the same "flexibility" in abilities nor in clothing, but they're still more unpredictable than lvl 50s because we're not used to fighting players at lower levels.

I want a large scale PvP match at lvl 25-40, that is all.

monkeymanx8 wrote:

Paschendale wrote:

CptBanana and i were low level dueling at the recursion party today.. and i think this could be really fun lol. We would need people from any server to hand out enough $ to buy a datamine book, then everyone just goes there and kills each other with newly created lv 2s

Lol, great idea.

I'll bring my lvl 50 howitzer along. Just for fun, of course.

I used to kill with 2 clicks, one button.  Now all it gets me is the details of the guy I'm trying to kill.  Who's bright idea was it to move details to the top of a right click?  That's what ruined the double-click-kill, and I want it back!!

 

PPPPPPPPllllleeeaaaaassssssse?

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Well, that's not what I meant. If they get influenced, THEN added to the base points and the AGAIN the base (with the bonus added) gets influenced, it DOES matter. All boni are added together in the end, the question still is, when are they influenced and when are they added?

Oh. Good grief! They're not going to get influenced twice. " />

At least, they'd better not get influenced twice...

Eh? It doesn't make a jot of difference. The base is influenced as well. Either the base and the bonus are influenced then added together, or they're added together then influenced. It doesn't matter.

(x + y) * z = x*z + y*z

9mmfu wrote:

The Interlock Accuracy Boost listed on abilities is base points added when the abilities is used.

Per the patch note these values also get influenced.

Does this mean that, for example, the -28 to acc for stun 1.0 will be made worse by your influence %? ie it goes from -28 to -42 if you have +50% influence?