I think its fine how it is.  People who concentrate on purely accuracy arent going to be very effective.  Ive had more success with lower accuracy builds with higher defense than builds with higher accuracy and poor defense.

Spies can beat hackers only if they get lucky, or if the hacker is inexperienced or allows the fight to be dictated by the spy. If the spy keeps out of interlock and resorts to pure free fire, then he has a chance (although, with Destroy Resolve and Inefficiency Field, that's one dead MKT). IL generally destroys MKTs, especially Ravager builds. I haven't fought many Ballistas as MKT, but the nature of the rolls is the same, and no matter how good (or bad, even) the MKT is, the failure has to be on the side of the hacker in order for the Spy to win.

Now, in order to claim that subjective experience is tantamount to solid evidence concerning game mechanics, like so many people are fond of lately, here's a little story: When I leveled up MKT on Recursion, I had RstNPce load up a hacker tree and fight me with a strategy I told him. He'd never used hacker in CR2 much before, and this loadout never, but he was able to destroy me 4 out of 5 times simply because hacker beats MKTs and he had a strategy on how to use the build. Ballista has far less versatility than most hacker builds, which makes it difficult to combat the versatility of Spy. However, the damage that's dished out is substantial, and with the hacker's perma roots (some over 25 seconds), the hacker should be able to do something like a Logic Cannon.

youre gonna get hit no matter what, per the greater randomness of cr2 rolls. anyone who doesnt understand this by now is just dense. your only hope is to specialise in one or the other, the whole idea is to have VERY good accuracy OR defense. 'average' anything in cr2 is a lost fight waiting to happen, the randomness will get you, and yer little dog, too!#$

If you wait for your opponent to use all their IS by having decent resistance, you're able to use your specials and roll higher than their normal speed/power/grab attacks. You do not need a ton of defense or accuracy. You need to stay alive and let the randomness (and your STATS) do the rest of the work for you.

Different strats.

this is taken from The Gamers Temple website:

TEAM VS. TEAM DUELING

The second type of PvP action inside The Matrix Online is a variation of
the single character Dueling System: the team vs. team Dueling System.
The team vs. team Dueling System allows groups of up to eight players to
challenge an opposing group of players to team vs. team combat.

and here is a video to team duels its worth the download if you ask me:

http://files.filefront.com/The+Matr...;/fileinfo.html

I can't count the number of times my normal character on Vector has been ganked by a level 50 that just passed by or I didnt' see coming. Getting ganked doesn't bother me.

Though I find the witty comments afterwards somewhat odd like "Welcome to Vector n00b!" which is my personal favorite since the person saying it has no idea who I am.

Good times, good times.

 

It was probably me doing it. >.>

<.<

Added benefit of high defense is your opponent is less likely to draw a state on you and set up a big damage special or combo.

I've noticed that i have missed a bit more recently i have to admit...

I heard some level 30 something come from CR1 saying that he used to be able to half-health a level 50... i guess that's why

Did you call them a liar? XD

Before CR2, some 50's could kill between three and five 50's solo. It's very likely that this guy was talking out his arse a la Ace Ventura. Unless the level 50 had ability maker on, I doubt he'd get one down to three-quarters of their health. Incidentally, when I was level 8 I watched a swarm of 20's and 30's at Moriah East (Zion) attacking a single level 50 Merv. I counted 16's, 24's, 27's, 34's, and a 37. They were landing states, but his health didn't drop below full.

 

 

If the idea of having PVP Safe area on hostel servers, then why not PVP "Hot" Zones on the non - hostel servers. This is aimed at the "Recursion" server.

I think this would add more of a rush to the game and expand the PVP Arana know as Mara C.

So Please...   If you also dream of such thing, join with me and make it known to the dev's that this is something we all wish for.  It should not be all that hard to implement.

 

 

 

 

My idea for a solution is VERY simple.

Make all three servers into one server, with International and Downtown being Hostile. We no longer have to deal with a lack of people and everyone can PVP or be carebears to their liking. Pac zones and un-Pac zones can be raised and lowered to the devs liking and they don't have to split their attention between three servers and make any of them feel left out.

Just as MA can kill 3 people with little IS using state specials, MKT can do so with sneak attacks. Your portrayal of the Spy tree as imbalanced is slanted and fails to consider all aspects of the combat system. Any decent hacker can destroy even a good MKT. MA and MKT are equal attribute-wise, it comes down to the skill of the player and the strength of their builds in such fights. I've fought MAs as MKT what were a cakewalk in IL, and I've had every single one of my specials outrolled as a MKT fighting a MA with high accuracy.

MKT really isn't imbalanced. Yes it has low IS cost but it also has no free fire. The exact same goes for hacker - low IS for dmg abilities, hell look at the Code Infections and their 10 IS cost. But there is a method to this madness, which is often overlooked.

Also, neither of the Hacker stats affect their Ballistic Damage or Accuracy for freefire. They rely solely on their hacks for efficiency.

Shut down a MKT's sneak attack and there's no need to gripe about how overpowered they are. I think most people just go nuts when they realize they get punted for 1700 damage and feel that it's the end of the world against MKT's. Remove that 1700 damage and you're dealing with perfectly normal attacks of between 200-400 damage. Last I checked, DPE does between 350-500 and Deadly Throw only does somewhere around 250-325.

Zerotolerance wrote:

FAQ360 wrote:

 

 

If the idea of having PVP Safe area on hostel servers, then why not PVP "Hot" Zones on the non - hostel servers. This is aimed at the "Recursion" server.

I think this would add more of a rush to the game and expand the PVP Arana know as Mara C.

So Please...   If you also dream of such thing, join with me and make it known to the dev's that this is something we all wish for.  It should not be all that hard to implement.

 

 

 

 

My idea for a solution is VERY simple.

Make all three servers into one server, with International and Downtown being Hostile. We no longer have to deal with a lack of people and everyone can PVP or be carebears to their liking. Pac zones and un-Pac zones can be raised and lowered to the devs liking and they don't have to split their attention between three servers and make any of them feel left out.

No!

I am from Syntax and I spend time in DT and Inter, why should I move to Richland and Westview because I dont want to PvP?  When you get to a certain level, missions started in Richland force you to Westview when the enemies are 15-20 levels ahead of you, so the obvious idea is to move to International when a load of 50s will make your job even harder, no thanks. *

Anyway, isn't there a reason Vector isn't as popular.... mabey, just mabey, not everyone wants to be perma flagged?  Mabey /pvp does a good enough job?  If you want to PvP, flag up and wait in a popular area if they want to fight, they will attack.  If you are on Vector and you want to PvP, attacking someone who doesn't will just mean they move away from you and the PvP will stop if they do they will fight back, same as Syntax and Recursion. *

Also, the merger of 3 servers into one is the last thing to happen before MxO is switched off.  None of the servers are left out and they are going a good job considering.  If people want perma flagging, thats what vector is for, if they started a character on that server they wouldn't need perma flagged zones on the non-hostile places.  Non-hostile means PvP is optional, being forced into other districts is not optional. *

* Welcome to leveling on Vector. You're only concerned about an area of the city being permaflagged (like Constructs) because you're used to not being flagged. If you've played this game for any amount of time, you're used to the way your servers operates and you're like everyone else -- resistant to change. I'm not stating that as a flame; I'm just using it to detail your feelings -- your apprehension towards my suggestions.

Many people on Vector griped about the Pacification Zones, but then they found that the Zones were a good idea. I feel as though making Downtown and International into PVP zones on all servers, Richland and Westview into Pacified Zones, would change things up. Make Clubs in International and Downtown pacified, as safespots (or "holy ground" and you've created a more MATRIX-like experience of danger and hostility lurking around every corner.

* Maybe /pvp doesn't, tho? I have lowbie alts on Syntax and Recursion. More often than naught I find that Mara Central on both of the non-hostile servers is rather boring. Only a few people flag and you have to deal with blue Logic Cannons. I'll sum it up to them being carebear servers and needing to exist for a reason. Not everyone wants to PVP, just as you stated. But there should be areas setup in the Matrix where you're safe as well as areas setup that have you constantly living in fear. You're going to be more careful Downtown, obviously, if you're flagged while there. You'll be forced to adapt and learn something new. It might even be fun.

* I'm not saying that they aren't doing a good job with this game. Certainly, other people have griped from ALL servers about not getting enough attention. I think the players are somewhat demanding, but that goes hand in hand with their dedication and a desire to want more, more, more. So maybe it's not demanding, afterall? In due time, we'll all get more attention but there are days, weeks, and months where Vector seems to be a dying cancer-patient. In the event that Vector becomes so dead that we'll need a realistic solution for all of the players on Vector to keep playing, merging it with another server -- if not both -- is going to be the logical answer.

Of course, Vectorites won't like this one bit. So there'd have to be a way to appease both crowds. Having an entire area of districts as Hostile would be an answer, but I understand you don't want to have that on your server. It's opposition like that which SOE will listen to, so luckily my suggestion will probably never come to reality. You deserve to have your peace and diplomacy. It's all that's going to be left, Recursion and Syntax, when we've finished losing the rest of our players.

it is the matix rper or not you need to be able to handle yourself in combat vs others

Let me translate that for my Vector peeps: "wheres ur skill noob, learn to play the game so ur not suxorz" Darkhorse has successfully understood the point I was trying to make.

Additionally, there's plenty of roleplayers on Vector. Afterall, a third of those roleplayers left for Recursion. We'd all win, because then we'd have those people back.

good necro of an old thread. all the things these ppl are talking about are from the fall season of 2006.

way to pay attention, duh.

lock this thread =D

your contribution has been duly noted. welcome to october 2006.

lock this thread..

Im not a big fan of pills or self healing.  I guess its part of the game but I think its cheap.  Theres healing builds you simply cant beat because they can heal faster than you can do damage.  Some people have brought this up already on the forums but not much seems to be happening to fix this.

yea we can't complain anymore we know it's one of the best classes, just load hacker
Right, and get pwned by everything else.

In every "King of the Hill" tournament I've been to, guess who went the longest rounds multiple times? MKT's. Then, someone would specialize their build entirely to combat an MKT, only to get defeated the very next round by someone else.

That's the problem.

Your statements there are godly, dude.

It sums up the issue we're having. With a higher population and therefore a more diverse group of people you'd find it much easier to pick your targets instead of trying to snipe one MKT with another two in Sneak. :D

SolidRevolver wrote:

But someone else could pick them up.

Or, if you forget to pick them up, you lose them if you cant find them again and the servers are restarted.

No they couldn't. And if the servers are restarded, they're automatically moved into the owners inventory.

RP and PVP are both alive on Vector, if you know where to look. The only problem we have stems from the majority of our population moving over to Recursion to participate in the Vector Olympics, er, Recursion Olympics or from the original migration of almost every large faction from Vector to Recursion. Dark Mavericks and Furious Angels were once very prominent groups of Mervs and Zion, respectively, until they opted to leave.

Personally, I've had a hard time stumbling across RP on Syntax and not so hard a time finding it on Vector. Unless all of the RP that takes place on Syntax happens through tells, I haven't really seen anything outstanding. If anything, I'm more bored to tears over the lack of anything to do on Syntax. With the exception of one person who has helped me quite a lot, I find that my life on Syntax is spent slow and boring. While running missions, I am flagged in the hopes that I'll stumble across someone who is my level to fight. If I stumble across someone who is much higher and they kill me, so be it. At least it's something... I'l just kill them when I am 50 in carebear land.

Rexxhavukk wrote:

Dueling is overrated.....


people who duel use exploits and macros in combat then cry when their opponant uses consumables.... which are part of the game....BTW

Do yourself a favor...do not ask me to duel....

PS... the only time I will not use consumables is in a tournament that lays out rules against them in the beginning...

I'm gettin my say on this topic before it gets locked for Necro.

PvP is overrated, personally if you can use teamwork to kill an opponent fine, but I've only seen one or two examples of that in the whole game, what we have atm is "chase the guy till he's out of emote distance or too far from my friends" and "he's in IL, shoot him" In the end I'm not a Mara C fan, I'll go there on the odd occasion if I want to do a little sniping but I'd prefer to find a 50 standing alone and release everything I have on him and move on to another hardline and another 50 standing alone.

On vector it's generally known that when /duel'ing you don't pop a pill, TB, HB or get buffed (unless it's a self buff build) saying that people who duel use exploits is complete BS, with not a scrap of evidence to prove it, and last time I checked Macro's are allowed ingame for fighting, although I wouldn't recommend u do it since if something goes wrong and you need to rearrange yer attacks, I wouldn't like to start scrolling through abilities tab.

I enjoy fighting Tytanya and all of a sudden I see her in area chat with:

Tytanya: ss/use 5; 9

Hehe. Macro slip-up ftw!

In my experiences the lines between the builds aren't truly as large as they seem to be.

In my experiences, most people for for 30/30 in their Influences' associated Attributes. Alot of people don't realize you can balance your attributes for added resistance and defense against the almighty MKT or the dreaded Gunman. And if that clue doesn't help, you can always max out the resistances for those areas you're weak in with gear other than the stuff everybody else is wearing.

that would be pritty cool, multi fighting would be awsem also , but team fighting=tah pwn

The ability to have an RP battle between Machines and Cypherites, Zion and EPN, would be great.

I'm curious; perhaps the Beta players can fill me in. Did team duels ever work at all in the past, or was it never implemented?

Zerotolerance wrote:

SLINK wrote:

that would be pritty cool, multi fighting would be awsem also , but team fighting=tah pwn

The ability to have an RP battle between Machines and Cypherites, Zion and EPN, would be great.

I'm curious; perhaps the Beta players can fill me in. Did team duels ever work at all in the past, or was it never implemented?

As far as I could tell, they never worked. I remember asking a lith Dev as to why it wasn't going to be work on until it was fixed; his response was something on the lines of "We now have PvP hostile areas and even servers, so there's really no need."

Meh... I don't know if that's what the current remaining Dev team will say, but I always thought it was a poor excuse on the matter.

Arcanoloth wrote:

Maybe the lowbies, but in PvP nearly all the lvl 50's do.

I never loaded my shield, I only did when I put my combat clothing on after I found out that buffing up without clothing is putting me at a disadvantage.  Now I have found my costume in a level 50 armoured version and just get in, buff up, activate my shield (turn on my perp red eye) and I am ready, even holding my own against fully buffed now

Zerotolerance wrote:

SolidRevolver wrote:

Arcanoloth wrote:

Maybe the lowbies, but in PvP nearly all the lvl 50's do.

I never loaded my shield, I only did when I put my combat clothing on after I found out that buffing up without clothing is putting me at a disadvantage.  Now I have found my costume in a level 50 armoured version and just get in, buff up, activate my shield (turn on my perp red eye) and I am ready, even holding my own against fully buffed now

Unfortunately, even level 50 shielded/armored doesn't work AS WELL as the Enhanced clothes for your class. So when it's a case of looking like everyone else or looking like the pwn, you should usually choose looking like everyone else. There's a few exceptions to the rule. There's a few noobs that no matter what you're wearing, you'll still kick their sloppy arses all over the Mega City.

I have had better accuracy since I stopped using the propper buffed stuff

Besides, I am an RPer, I dont PvP much which is why I chose to go on Syntax, here I only flag when and where I want to apart from the constructs which is how it is supposed to be on Syntax.  I have started a character on Vector and there I will expect to be flagged constantly and I will be in my combat gear a lot more often.

awesome thread. now ask for cars and motorbikes, quick!

I'll have a Vanagon and we can sell our hippie goods from it.

I'll level my Glass Blower tree to 50 before I work on the Drive tree, though. You may need to steer for a while.

Even if they did have animators and a test server, They would have to decide weather to make it a part of a new style with new accuracy, defense, damage and resistance, which would require changing of all basic combat techniques, another defense ability, ect. If They decided to keep it within the realms of MA, they would have to then compromise the new tree's and make sure that the passive buffs you recieved from them would not make the tree way under or overpowered. There is a lot to change in something like this, CR2 took ages to make, and even when they did it took a month or 2 to fix it again.

"Melee" implies weapons as well, so it could stick within the realm of Melee Acc/Def/Dam/Res. So yes, it would still be MA. Of course, it still not going to fall under MA because it's not going to happen.

Remember, before CR2 Spy was a mix of Melee and Ranged tactics. Your sneak attack had its own stat, but melee was needed to finish off your opponent in IL if they weren't already dead whereas Ranged was attached to all of your knife attacks. Sorry, just reminiscing there.

GypsyJuggler wrote:

I volunteer to act as General for Zion. 

So you'll take full responsibility for Zion's loss?

Zerotolerance wrote:

Area K Jacket = Best ever.

Haha, you're joking, right? XD

Anyways, although these are nice items, we now have even more ballistic clothing. Heck I finally want special MA clothing, and some hacker clothing too FFS

Zerotolerance wrote:

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Zerotolerance wrote:

Area K Jacket = Best ever.

Haha, you're joking, right? XD

Anyways, although these are nice items, we now have even more ballistic clothing. Heck I finally want special MA clothing, and some hacker clothing too FFS

Did I say 'lol' at the end of that statement? Yes, the Area K jacket is currently the best coat for a Gunman in PVP. It's also very useful against Gunmen as well as Hackers, even if you're not a Gunman yourself.

Not every gunman LO works best with Area Ks, it doesn't provide protection for close encounters against the nemesis class (spy) or MA. I at all times prefer wearing other ballistic outerwears, even in duels.

It is a bit disappointing that the suit includes the headgear, again this will lead to a lot of indistinguishable rsi's - headgear in general in MxO needs a serious review the definability of your rsi is a cool feature that is too easily lost under an all obscuring mask

I've come out of forum retirement to voice my support for bringing back the white coat.

You hear that Rarebit, you've awakened the sleeping giant! Fix it!