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so today's the first day i tried out CR2 live and the first time i logged in after patching this morning everything was fine. coded new clothes, did some crits, some pvp. logged out. i just logged in again after logging out this afternoon and my abilities were all ca-raaaazzy. i logged in and the first thing i do is put up evade shield and i get a system message that i don't have that abil loaded, even though i logged out with it loaded and according to my action menu (O) i do. hmm. i go to a HL and i check what abilities i do have loaded and things get even fishier. even though i logged out as full duelist with a little bit of spy, maxed to 100 memory with that, my ability tree tells me i have random hacker and doctor abilities loaded, in addition to more random spy abilities... and none of these abilities have their prerequisites loaded?

example:

i tried unloaded everything but the abil tree just freezes up and after a while it closes on its own. i'll try to log in again now (i had to alt-F4 out since the cursor wouldn't select anything and i couldn't type) and see if i still have it.

on the revolutions bonus disc there was talk of interlock dog grooming and i have to say i'm still v disappointed it was never implemented. :robotsad:

i am totally on board with u re: the near impossibility of implementing cars but i do have to say that in a magical world of no developing/resource constraints cars would make a lot more sense than inexplicably hyperjumping from place to place in plain view of crowds of bluepills.

flagged pvp makes me feel sad, and a little angsty, like i can't decide which emo t-shirt to wear to the show and it's tearing me up inside.

well it's pinpointed down to the building at least! u could just go over yrself and find the coords ya lazy bum! lol

anyways i'm sure u already know about mxo blips but if not u can try that one although it's also possibly incomplete.

interesting link to cerberus (who guarded the gate to hades in greek mythology, not in the bible, as far as i recall) although the number three has all sorts of significance within the bible.

gr8 post, A++.

assassin is a subbranch of the spy tree, along with master knife thrower, master shadow and somewhat inexplicably, data miner.

which branch u chose to go into depends on wot yr interests are. assassins make stealth attacks that initiate interlock and do damage and in many cases cause states. master knife throwers attack from out of interlock with knife attacks that also do damage and cause states. master shadows are adept at moving from place to place unseen and eventually, untouchably, and data miners find data node leaks in the matrix and use advanced tools to mine $info from them.

if u intend on going into knife throwing, u will need to concentrate on yr FOCUS attribute. in fact focus will also help yr stealthiness in general, which will be useful for all spy branches. PERCEPTION will increase the damage u do as an assassin and will also help u spot other spies before they spot u.

if u want to continue being a martial artist as well, u should probably stick to assassin and work on yr perception attribute, since going knife thrower will make it necessary to split attribute points between perception and focus.

exiles are programs run amuck of their original programming, deserving no better than a parting round of silver bullets and a lovely consolation stake.

Elome wrote:
Actually, I sided with The Merovingian, for the Exiles... Exiles are people, too.

ty for the explanation rarebit :robotvery-happy: it'll take me some time but i think i can wrap my mind around it lol. maybe mainly from a stylistic point of view i will miss being able to dodge bullets like i used to, and being able to tell exactly how well i was dodging em lol.

sorry if this has been asked and answered before if not here then elsewhere, but do u have an idea of wot the rationale was behind hiding rolls in CR2? in both interlock and also system chat?

i would love that. i think we all agree that that is really wot the essentials of sniping boils down to... laying in wait for long periods of time, hidden, biding yr time, lining up the shot, waiting, waiting... BOOM. MASSIVE DAMAGE.

lol ok gd to know. when things vanish from my sell list i figured they must have been bought.

cypherite != machinist

Jrogan wrote:
agreed again..the machines alone will never break the truce..they are not designed that way unless we (humans) provoke it..the merv himself has no agenda to help humans exist on their own.. some humans can sell out for that in return of excaping the reality of where we are..

i'm picky about my bastardisations of internet discourse, "ur" was an ancient mesopotamian city, "YR" is a totally awesome horrible chatroom contraction.

Transmissioner wrote:

stuporfluous wrote:
lol i typed it out properly then had to go back and fix the spelling JUST FOR U. \m/

If I was just a little bit meaner, I'd quote Maddox and say:

2 - The number of extra keys you'd have to type so I won't disregard "ur" email.

lol i typed it out properly then had to go back and fix the spelling JUST FOR U. \m/

maybe they fixed it but the last i know (admittedly i haven't check at all recently) even though that's the rule things just stay up there forever.

lucid yr all heart!

sorry if this has been asked and answered before if not here then elsewhere, but do u have an idea of wot the rationale was behind hiding rolls in CR2? in both interlock and also system chat?

gr8 post revolt, wholly agree.

well, except that i really do miss seeing my rolls a lot, although not just in interlock but everywhere. i wish i understood why devs wanted to hide rolls.

i think it's there forever.

hmm. to be able to code an article of clothing u have to have decompiled it first to "learn" the code. as u decompile more and more clothes, yr "code library" will grow and then u will find apparel maker quite useful.

Slayerofzion wrote:
Is it just me or does apparrel maker do absolutly nothing!
I think that this ability is probably the biggest rip off in the entire game!
SOE PLEASE CHANGE THIS!!!!

even if that human has killed or threatens to kill other humans?

Jrogan wrote:
agreed..except i just wont help a machine kill another human...

i know :robottongue: ideally imo they would be free, free as the wind, but there would be some kind of timer system where u could only respec maybe once a month. or every two months. but 200k is teh silly.

[CoZ]LostProphet wrote:
I think 100 million is way too much. WAY too much.

They'll be limited purely to players who can afford to spend hours and hours on end grinding missions/mobs/attaining sellable rare items.

hint: mxo archive FTW!

YES PLEASE.

having just started playing around with the spy tree this weekend i have to agree to the general sense of bewilderment and possibly forward my own sense of disappointment and worry about this spy tree revision. i really hope they just either screwed up or threw things together with the intention of straightening out the spy branches in an upcoming update. but i'm worried they actually thought they had a cogent plan.

1. original MKT, master assassin and master shadow abilities now distributed haphazardly between the three branches. as someone noted upthread, given the greater flexibility to load multiple branches, any spy could have multibranched abilities without the confusing and nonsensical hodgepodging of abilities that CR2 inexplicably set up. let the MKT branch be solely about knife throwing, let master assassin branch be about assassin moves, let master shadow branch be about stealth and infiltration, not misplaced assassin attacks.

2. the nerfing of the MKT "killer" combo. honestly, i never had much of a problem with MKTs in live. with a sensible amount of DR, normal MKTs could never land enough knife throws to ever kill me. certainly without the aid of the analyze weakness tool, which has also been nerfed to hell in CR2, never. allowing for the what i will still maintain was an unnecessary rebalancing, the state of MKT now in CR2 is absolutely silly. a subduing throw with a stun that doesn't last long enough for an MKT to reachieve the sneak state now necessary for staggering throw makes MKTs completely worthless. i would suggest removing the sneak requirement. furthermore, as it appears (until all the clothes have been switched over i suppose i can reserve judgement but going by the general CR2 philosophy of making clothes less essential i would guess this will be the case) all players will have to wear armored clothing, there won't be any more super RCT (rather, thrown accuracy) MKTs running around and as far as i can tell so far, most players' thrown accuracy wouldn't even be gd enough to let them chain together combos enough to be a threat to other players.

3. analyze weakness. did it really need nerfing? no. is it worthless in its current state? yes. in its original form it was a novel and singular aspect of combat where a single player changed a combat relationship with another player to the exclusion of any other players. how cool was that? in its current form it's just a crappy buff.

4. this may fall under the general "why did you scramble up all the abilities between the three trees?" complaint but why is punt suddenly the strongest assassin attack? nevermind the persistent WWF style of all assassin attacks, why is the purely comedic kick to the groin now the deadliest move?

5. after all these arguably unnecessary changes, why can a L1 mob still detect a L50 master assassin with max sneak?

6. terminology suggestion, if "thrown" will refer to everything spy related, why not call it "stealth" or "spy" instead? it makes a little more sense for a MKT knife attack to base off of "stealth accuracy" and "stealth damage" than for an assassin interlock like reverse bulldog attack (that one, at least, is still in the assassin branch, right?) to be based off of "thrown accuracy."

Message Edited by stuporfluous on 02-21-200611:52 AM

on CR2 find weakness is already nerfed to hell. it just adds thrown damage. we hatessss it! :robotsad:

when u die in a mission, before u reconstruct use /hardline and that will be closest hardline to yr mission. :robotvery-happy:

Elome wrote:
I guess it would help mostly for if you die during a mission, when you go back to the loading area, it doesn't always automatically select the hardline you were at last that was nearest.

200k? so anyone can afford one after running a single standard mission? they should be 100 mil. :robotvery-happy:

ZaneZavin wrote:
They should have RARH's at every item vendor, they should be 1k when it first goes live. Then they should cost at least 200k a peice.

AND NO EGGS!

xLuSiDx wrote:

xLuSiDx wrote:
I think it's a recipe for cake.

ONE CUP OF FLOUR!!!!!

Where's Transmissioner at? He would get this I bet...

uh oh, time to eat yr words, i do in fact spend time on the PE server with both my 50 and my lowbie running missions and fighting npcs.

i almost in fact agree with most of the points u present in this post. CR2 is clearly here to stay and ppl who care about the fate of this game should do wot they can to make sure it goes in right.

i just disagree with being a *CENSORED* when u talk to ppl who don't like CR2. i'm sure u really convinced some ppl with that attitude. \m/

ya it is a pretty minor cosmetic feature.. in terms of the fiction though i would think that the operator would stick with the crew, so presumably the operator u got when u started out with zion would be different from the operator u had if u were thereafter recruited into a merv or machine crew.

having zee as an operator would have been coo. i think someone on the operator customisation thread showed that perhaps by tinkering with the innards of the system folders u could actually switch her image with the link image. (and really how weird is it that "link" is yr operator when u go merv or mach?

hey rarebit wot do u think of the idea of customising the way the operator looks or at least making a different operator for each org or maybe even having subtle changes in personality depending on org in operator dialog in all missions, not just critical ones?

that's a whole lot of characters to level to 50 :robotsurprised:

i'd be happy with 3 characters per server and the v limited option to slowly change stats over time.

zomg, misspellings + big words FTW

on topic i'm surprised everyone's all GG! and BRILLIANT! and all that to such a meanspirited post. i mean, LDB? jesus.

exp grants for alts would be the coolest thing evar. since i am so not feeling like grinding to 50 again. :robotindifferent:

zomg the dixie flatline

ends and means, lol. wot other powerful figure would possibly support exiles? the oracle, seems like the only other possibility. (and not the general, wot kind of pro exile creates and distributes exile kill codes?) and the oracle doesn't appear to really have the right sort of powerbase to support an organisation.

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

SovietSong wrote:
i always thought it was who the redpill worked for not who they are.
Redpills alligned to the frenchman are not exiles mearly working for him

Yes this is the case but there are reasons to work on behalf of the exiles (a bit like fighting for human rights etc) to which working for the Merovingian himself would be contrary (as hes a mafiosa style figure in many ways).

cypherites who are not openly cypherites, is wot i meant lol. :robottongue:

expert rifleman ftw