He won't stop even if a million people sign it.

He'll say something like the signatures are fake, or challenge all the signed to an ultimate street fighting contest. Cage rules.

Now that's interesting. I'm game for that challenge.

/crackknuckles

The death of a human being always bring sorrow and tears, I know...

...but I'm not going to miss him. In my opinion, he was a bad actor and a worse person. May he rest in peace...at last.

Why not? After all, the players are already doing the game's marketing, LET, forum modding, etc. . .

That's precisely the main problem of this game.

Darminian, you've spoken the truth. Things are not going to change here...take a break, but don't expect something better when you come back.

Although I think we've never met "in game", you have my respect. Take care.

/formalbow

SgtClunk.

~V

This game needs more SgtClunk.

What can i say...what better way to get served than by the guy who your kicking in the nuts. ^^

MXO is built around the story, a "real" story. The fact that The matrix universe was written and entire timelines for a multitude of characters inclusive; shows how in depth it goes. World of warcraft's story was created to sustain the creation of a game. Where as the matrix was created to sustain the creation of a continued storyline.

Thats where WoW and MXO differ.

Now i dont know WoW so i cant say much in terms of how they're events work but i'll go to COX because i played it for a while. An event happens at an important date and only at important dates. When this happens story characters (already written in the storyline, and more than likely on your front cover) fight some people. Hardly any if none roleplaying minus a few replies to questions in character if you call it that. an then? not another one for a few months. OPn top of this RP on cox happens by players and players only, they meet and talk in character some nights.

The matrix, you have new characters created and deleted from the story, it progresses without actually requiring massive changes to the game (cox furthered the story by adding a new city... not much RP to that is there?) MAIN event character talk and communicate and RPwise these include LESIG as they're still a major part of the story as we've gained and lost members of it in the real and in game. All of which have been connected with the storyline. Then we go to include the otehr silly things like prop vendors, critical missions where you meet main characters.

On that note tell me when the last time on WOW you met a dev/mod controlled... then tell me who he is what he does and what his story is? After that show me where you meet him?

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I could go on all day and im sure theres things i've forgot and well lets be blunt if its that dissapointing...

What can i say...what better way to get served than by the guy who your kicking in the nuts.

If you say so...but I', not "kicking anybody in the nuts".

World of warcraft's story was created to sustain the creation of a game. Where as the matrix was created to sustain the creation of a continued storyline.

Sure, MxO was created to sustain the creation of a continued storyline...but it failed. The W brothers doesnt' care about this game anymore...and that's not a surprise, after giants monster mades of flies, flying people with four arms and the like. And, for the record, the head of this game thinks that "(matrix) canon is not something that I worry about".

The matrix, you have new characters created and deleted from the story, it progresses without actually requiring massive changes to the game (cox furthered the story by adding a new city... not much RP to that is there?) MAIN event character talk and communicate and RPwise these include LESIG as they're still a major part of the story as we've gained and lost members of it in the real and in game. All of which have been connected with the storyline. Then we go to include the otehr silly things like prop vendors, critical missions where you meet main characters.

As I said in my previous post, the interaction of the MAIN events and LESIG characters are not precisely good in "RP" terms...and I can give you some names of characters whose sudden dissapareances are not, by any means, connected to the storyline. Critical missions do nothing to enforce the roleplaying. Are just that...missions.

On that note tell me when the last time on WOW you met a dev/mod controlled... then tell me who he is what he does and what his story is? After that show me where you meet him?

Again: meeting dev/mod controlled characters is not enforcing roleplaying...quite the contrary.

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An astonishing show of roleplaying, I'm sure...

I could go on all day and im sure theres things i've forgot and well lets be blunt if its that dissapointing...

Be my guest and go ahed, I have plenty of time.

This is an interesting perspective. A few comments:

> During this "events", most player flood the area with stupid sentences
That's what /ignore is for.

> characters controlled by Rare usually ignore the few people who are really serious
I don't think that's actually the case. I may not stop whatever's going on to address someone who's role-playing well...but that's because they've got the situation well in hand. The events I'm in often include conversations that can only advance with well-considered input from the players present.

> ...or even put them on ignore
I /ignore bad "RP" or other disruptive things when necessary. See above.

> Beside, the events are usually scripted, with the end determined
It seems to me that this is a separate issue. There's no reason why "scripting" and role-play should be mutually exclusive; taking that to the extreme, you'd lose the "role" and just be left with "play," hm? Our favorite actors, after all, are simply reading pre-written lines. In Live Events, even if the event design only supports one primary outcome, we're at least ad-libbing the whole way through.

Let see.

1) Ignore is useful, but there are too many(and I mean TOO MANY) players who spam the area chat to put them on ignore. Sure, you can use it to get rid of the usual idiot who talks in "leetspeak", but the amount of handles you have to introduce is so vast that you simply can't do it. Besides, that's not a solution, it's a "parchment".

2)We have a difference of opinions here. Of course, I'm not making you guilty of this. I'm not saying "Rare ignore the rpers111!!!", but with the amount of spammers, haters and the rest of player who go to the events is absolutely normal that you miss most of the good interactions out there. It's just a matter of luck...and that's bad.

3) A question: how do you determina that something is "bad rp?". I'm curious, really.

4) Scripting is, without doubt, absolutely exclusive from roleplaying. A good roleplaying season is the one with an open ending: the players are the one who determine the outcome of the history. In my opinion, an scripted end(and, in the events, the ends are usually the same) kills all the innovation and the spirit of surprise that a good history must have. Of course, acting and roleplaying are two very different things.

You're kidding right? Let's see:

1) The NPC's in every critical mission often refer to you by name during story exposition. This is amplified by the fact that you will often interact with main characters from the movies during critical missions as well. These are small measures perhaps, but definitely immersive
2) Crafting has been done in such a way as to make you feel like an actual redpill in the movies. i.e. You're not just making something, you're loading a series of abilities into your mind and using them to program new code from Matrix code
3) Hideouts, clubs and exiles are story-based elements drawn directly from the movies - another element of immersion in the roleplay of MxO
4) Constructs are ideas drawn directly from the Animatrix, and therefore yet another element that serves to immerse you into feeling like your character is a part of the Matrix story
6) Factions, organizations, crews, LESIG, sub-factions, and so on and so on and so on...
5) Name the last time you received a personal invite to a live event in WoW (or any other MMO) in which you then interacted with an unfolding storyline complete with canonized characters.

And these are just the things that come to mind right away

No, I am not kidding. Most of the points you make are present in World of Warcraft too.

1)As far as I remember, the NPC's in WoW also use your name during a quest. And you can meet pivotal characters from the Warcraft's history too.

2)Crafting...yeah. I remember Mouse(to put an example of a redpill in the movies) j using a strange device during one or two minutes to make appear in front of him a black trenchcoat...or a health pill...or a tactic booster...or a shotgun. Sorry, I think I missed that scene. On the contrary, crafting in WoW is a little more..."inmersive", but just a little.

3 & 4) Again, most places for WoW are drawn directly from the Warcraft universe. In these places, you have the feeling to be a part of the warcraft history.

5) Factions? Never seen something like that in the movies. Crews? Of course. LESIG? One of the main enemies of roleplaying in MxO. See the next counterpoint.

6) The interaction with LESIG and Live Event character is, probably, the biggest killer of roleplatying in this game. During this "events", most player flood the area with stupid sentences, not "roleplaying" his characters and trying to take advantage of the situation. On the other side, the characters controlled by Rare usually ignore the few people who are really serious...or even put them on ignore. Beside, the events are usually scripted, with the end determined and the character can only watch(and ask Rarebit for a /handshake or a /kiss to take a screenshot of it). WoW, with the lack of this..."events", are encouraging roleplaying more than MxO.

And I don't expect this thread to be engulfed in a sea of flames...I hope we can have a serious and adult discussion.

/sign on still loving this MMO

MxO is still the only MMORPG that actively encourages RP, while every other MMO is content to allow character customization through levelling and xp-gain to fulfull its status as a "role-playing game." MxO is the only MMORPG I've ever played where everything is built around an evolving storyline. Quests, events, combat, NPC's/mobs, content in general - all designed with the storylines in mind. Brilliant. Long live my MxO!

Now I'm intrigued. What does this game to "actively encourages rp"? The only thing, remotely, I can think is the infamous "props vendor" with the useless items created, theorically, for RP purposes.

And, not everything is built around an evolving storyline. Examples: annyversaries and halloween events, hideouts, constructs...and the list goes on. As far as encouraging roleplaying, this game is no different of...say, World of Warcraft.

Oh I like this... please, threaten me some more because you like anime and I don'.  

Just for the record: I like anime too. But let's see the differences.

This is anime:

This is *poop*:

Unlike most MMOs, The Matrix Online has primarily been about linear story development rather than providing a sandbox-style environment for unlimited player choice. The game picks up where the movies left off, and the developers are very serious about preserving that continuity while giving players an opportunity to keep the plot moving in new and interesting directions.

I just "love" this sentence. Periodism in its pure essence.

I highly doubt this Deam guy knows what's really happening here.

Actually, recursion is the middle server, Syntax is the biggest, then us, then that ikky Vector.

Syntas has more players than Recursion? Looks like the people finally got tired of the drama.

That means there are 8 players there...and like 6 on Recursion.

Seriously, it there are so few people who cares about your return...why do you make a thread on the General Forums? I don't get it.

/shrug

Every single roleplayer in this world is now, a little, like an orphan...because we have lost the one who started it all.

Farewell, Mister Gygax. We still owe you so much.

Grigori...interesting name.

Are you fallen angels too?

dont lie to him ^-^

pvp is fun =D

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I'm not lying. Pvp can be...fun(in your opinion) but still, it's meaningless. Look at other games: they have rewards or titles that even reflect your skill as a pvper in the "history" of the world.

Here, the only thing we get for PvP are the CQ's. What are the meaning of this misterious points? Nothing. Therefore, PvP here is meaningless.

Your choice depends on what do you seek in this game.

If you want to "roleplay" the deepest aspects of the Matrix Universe, in a serious and adult fashion, then Fenshire is right: The Trust is your best(and probably only) choice.

If you are more inclined towards the "pvp"...well, I suggest you to look for another game, because player versus player combat in this game is...meaningless.

so hot I wanna show my appreciation to keep this circle jerking alive...

 

I wack my sword in your honour, Chem

yes I am a lefty ><

*Deleted. Double post syndrome attacks again.* 

 Some of his best work has come about because of him fighting for creative freedom on his films.  I seriously doubt he would do a movie that would make him and the character he played look bad...  For more info on this check this link..

You have too much faith in actors.  Two examples: The Score and the Red Dragon. In both movies, Norton's character is awful. I don't doubt his involment in some excellent films, like 25th Hour or Fight Club but, as any actor, he do a lot of jobs only for cash. Hulk 2 is one of them.

So, basically, you all think that this movie is better just cause it's going to have more "Hulk Smash!!" action...*sigh*

The first one was a decent try to make an intelligent movie about a comic book character. However, it failed for two reasons. One: Ang Lee. This guy doesn't know how to make a decent movie without flooding it with petty sentimentalism...Brokeback Mountain or Couching Tiger, Hidden Dragon are good examples of this. Two: the character. Although there are some good Hulk's stories out there(with Peter David as the writer), you can't expect too much from a pantless frankestein. And let's forget that stupidity called "World War Hulk".

I feel sorry for Edward Norton. Being one of the best actors out there, he's going to be in one of the worst movies of these last years.

It's been a while since the last time I posted in a thread of this kind, so...

...time for Ryumanjisen's reloaded.

Ozymandias (well, in a 2008 way...), Rorschach and especially Comedian are spot on. For Silk Spectre, it's difficult to really say, she looks alright, they didn't take the princess of the moment like all movies nowadays. As long as they portray right that she hates wearing that misogynist costume, it should be alright! And well, I think that if she would have wear the same costume as she had in the books, that might have been way too much...

And for Nite Owl, that's again a big down.

For Dr. Manhattan, Keanu Reeves wanted to do that part, but he asked for too much... He'll be computer generated, yes.

No idea for how they will dress him, but Moloch is definitely the best choice for the casting so far.

Agreed, Rorschach and Comedian are nailed. Curiously enough, I think it would be apropiate to get "the princess of the moment" for Silk Spectre.

Last thing I've read about Doc Man. is that Billy Cudrup will be Osterman and the Doc itself will be a CGI. Sound good.

And Moloch...you are right, the best choice so far, without doubt. Great.

Actually, both DC and Marvel accept the Watchmen universe as an alternate reality of both comic universes. Rorschach has appeared (in cameos) in both companies comics in issues dealing with "elseworlds".

All of the characters were modeled after "real" heroes from the golden age of comics, and given a thick coat of realism. It's entirely possible that Night owl was a batman influenced character,

BUT

Considering the age of the Watchmen comics and the number of rewrites ol Batty has had and I would find it safer to say the current day batman is likely more influenced by the watchmen than they are him.

Puck speaks the truth. In fact, there is a legend that says Moore  originally conceived Watchmen as the future of some DC heroes, but the company finally denied it. It was too..."obscure". However, the history was so good that they told Moore to write it, but using original character. Luckily, he accepted.

But about that photos...I don't like them. They are too...superheroic for Watchmen. Perhaps Ozzymandias has to be that way...but Night Owl and Silk Spectre? Drelberg is a fat guy, for god's sake, not another Christian Bale playing Batman!

And I really hope Doc Manhattan is a CGI.

Ah, a tear is falling from my eyes...The Red Code Army is back.

Mittens: Who does he think he is?  My wife?

~V

Oh my...somebody has been "owned" right now.

And for the record:

Fen wrote:

I want to jack into the Misfit Online.

Who doesn't?

Easy answer: Me.

The Kings of Never: The Only Zion Faction That Does Scare the DoE

Join the Trust...or I'll have to kill you.

(Now featuring a more agressive recruitment's politic)

The Megacity Department of Energy: Even Ryumanjisen was one of them.

At least one of us is partially spanish, and I like the country spain so thats like a 4th spanish I think.

I'm spanish and I support this faction.

Besides, Mitrios broke the KoN sometime in the past.

That's is all.

Of course you can, Trace. That's what we are doing here, right?

 MotorZ wrote:

It's not their technology, so they might not know how. And maybe they were in the process of doing so, and the Intruder stuff stopped their research.

Hum...a technology that alters the Matrix in such a way(negating death) it's unlikey to go unnoticed by the Machines. Sure, it's a feature only designed to make the "respawn" in a matrixy way... to add flavor, so to speak.

But I still find strange that, after the Truce, the EJP is still working...without giving us any explanation. It's just another proof that the developers doesn't really care about the theme.

We have to consider that EJP only exists because the Matrix turned into an MMO, you know. I still find some "holes" in its procedure(like the nuke scenario mentioned before).

However, the main one I find is this: why the machines, with their almost absolute control of the matrix, don't turn it off now that the Truce is over?

Knowing that I'm awesome, apparently.

I know this is going to surprise you, Chemuel...but I'm not talking to you.

So, I'll repeat.

DXY!!! What the hell are you doing here?

Contrary to popular belief, there is life outside teh internets.

Not updating your blog doesn't necessarily mean you're dead...although I have to agree it's strange.

CR 1, without any doubt.

I have to agree with you, Vanil: CR 2 is crap. Too random variables that you can't control. Combat now is just a bunch of secret rolls, influenced by a bunch of strange stats that you don't know what they really do.

Chadwick was fired from MxO(meaning that he's not writing anything for this game since....a lot) but, somehow, he still have some rights about the Sentinel(he wrote it and created some characters, like Andres Bonifacio). That's the reason why SOE can't touch anything or release a new sentinel...and that's the reason why Rarebit said no to a LESIG Sentinel.

This is only a guess, not a fact...but I really think it's accurate. Another proof that the game is going downhill.

I'm pretty much going to kill eveyone but...

Nah, I'm pretty much going to kill everyone, including me!

/suicide

*CENSORED*, Garutachi, the one in the snowy forest is really, really great.

Nice stuff.

They gave me a picture...with a katana. I have to post in their thread.

Mega City Department of Energy: They have Katanas.