so what are u saying vinia????

u make no sense, explain in detail because it seems like u might be complaining about something that no one completly understands what u are saying except u.....

break it down please....

mara iz a demon in hindu mythology!

truth can sometimes be stranger than fiction. i have oft wondered why iz it that out of all the places in game, we choose to congregate in mara c! a place of never ending drama and pvp around the clock and where u become conditioned into the game.

i recently decided to look the word up and i found it quite bizarre that i found the meanings to speak of a demon with attributes that directly reflect the behavior u witness in mxo's fav hangout!

klesa-mara- embodiment of all unskilfull emotions! in mara c, everyone knows of the drama in mara c, if u dont, just watch.

mrtyu-mara- ceaseless round of birth and death! in mara c, if u pvp, u always die, go to the loading area and come back again.

skadha-mara- conditioned existence! if u choose not to hang out in mara c, no one knows u.

and mara also means death! i have come to the conclusion that while we kill each other in mara c, we are also killing the game by hanging out at mara. we must get out, get away from mara and find greener pastures. i suggest we head east to international district. thay have dojos to pvp in!

how do i get my siggy to work on this forum?

i uploaded it into photobucket and i type....

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but it seems to not work; what am i doing wrong?

someone help me

i understand that it is like city of heroes but it is my opinion that city of heroes doesnt have a fan base that be compared to DC

i mean come on? its the freaking DC universe! i think MARVEL has to throw their hat in da ring now!

city of heroe's cant compete with the big dogs!

but....

SOE has the DC universe! this iz most unfortunate and saddens me, and i dont think i am only one that thinks that. SOE knows they can frack a game up.

the dc universe will no doubt ROK! will SOE take care of it? will they fire all the devs after a year? will they give up on it?

more than likely, they buy these games but they dont have a clue how to keep them going?

they have to learn... that u have to keep a serious dev presence in order to be successful, u got to keep churning out content and upgrades!

why do u think world of warcraft is so successful?

if soe had it, they would have fracked it up!

eye apologize for going all negative earlier. i was fustrated because we (this game) iz in a different place than it was a year ago and i thought that people who are going to fan faire were getting a new clothing item that i thought would be unavailable to rest of us.

i understand now that we will eventually get some jeans 2, they just wont be blue.

i can deal with that.

i am truly sorry for getting emotional.

ummm

i dont mean to be all negative/positive but this whole fanfair thing with u getting in-game clothing iz WRONG!

u mean to tell me resources have been spent on creating a clothing item that only people will get if they actually register for this stupid fanfair situation? giving soe additional money to support them and they are not supporting the game we love?

get out!

im sorry but i think it is wrong to do this and i know it was done last year too. it has to stop, have soe make some coffee mugs and r/l t-shirts but i say hellll noooo to the special in game clothing item that everyone cant enjoy, it just isnt right!

i suggest that blue jeans be available to everyone, clothing items are hard to come by anyway!

i hope u didnt waste a clothing spot for that bullcrap!

ahh insomnia....

experienced that be4....

regarding putting an end to this whole enslavement thing for the humanz. not really sure if u can call it enslavement really, since they can pretty much do whatever that they set their minds too, umm except realize the truth!

and that really makes me madd!

they deserve to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

i propose we begin 2 start waking people up, not just one a week but everyone we come in contact with.

smith showed us what we have to do to make this simulation crash, just as he assimilated everyone in the simulation; we wake everyone up. i think gamis said something about it being 300 million people in the matrix.

so we wake up all 300 million of em, in a single day!

the problem is, how in the universe do we accomplish such a feat without getting our axxes kicked?

mmmmm

i love reading about science, technology and the future.

last summer, i was in the grocery store scanning the magazine rack and i came across a DISCOVER magazine (special issue) some of the articles that were in this particular issue was....

how much does the internet weigh?

the search for the human soul

radio

does time exist?

iz there a *CENSORED* gene?

journey to the center of the earth

chernobyl revisited

the hidden oceans

atoms

the complexity of nothing

and

your body iz a planet

the article that got my attention the most was entitled "SOUL SEARCH: can science ever decipher the secrets of the human soul." i was very excited to read it, and when it began talking about OBE (out of body experiences) and NDE (near death experiences)

it says in so many words...

at the center of many OBE's and NBE's iz the sensation of the mind having left the body and because of this, may have actually spawned the idea of a soul. it goes on to say early human may have actually experienced this and interpreted it as evidence of their minds seperating form their body.

there are many philosophers, psychologists and one nuero scientist in particular named Olaf Blanke. he is a neuroscientist at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne.

Olaf's question is what is OBE and more importantly what causes them. to answer this question, he set out to actually cause one!

he actually induced an OBE in a patient by stimulating the temporal-parietal junction (a part of the brain important in body orientation)  each time they stimulated that area, the patient, who had never had an OBE before, experienced one.

while they were stimulating it, she was awake and not impaired in any sense, and she told them that she saw the world, including the 3 people in the room and herself lying in bed from an elevated perspective!

wooooooooooooooooo when i read that; i had to put the magazine down!

i did not pick it back up for a couple of hours. ummmmm that is some seriously deep *poop*! the question is, how in the hell do u interpret these results?

i have to tell ya, ummm my initial thoughts were.... whew! ok if a scientist can put something in ur brain and stimulate a certain area, ur point of view can change from seeing with ur eyes to looking down at urself?

ummm what the hell does that mean?

does that mean that ummmm i dont know how to say this. does it mean... well they are obviously hacking the brain when they do experiments like this! so what happens if they start taking this weird experiment to the next level and the next after that?

makes me think we all operating at a certain frequency, u interupt that frequency and the results are some serious next level *poop*!

scary *poop* if u ask me. i am reminded of when u die in mxo and u can look down at ur dead rsi in the game

mmmm

iz the matrix real?

eye respect u gamis

eye really do, u have brought great pointz to certain threadz

itz all good no matter what

my goal iz to take thingz 2 the next level

if eye am not doing that, eye am not being true 2 myself

i am nexus 2 revolution

back 2 the topic at hand

i have a question about numbers; i wonder what the blue pill population iz in mxo?

it would trip me out if we took the time 2 count them and it ended up being 144,000!

that would make me go whoa!

hehehehe

No its that that pluralism BS your trying to spread doesn't work. What your saying is that all you need to do to be right is say this is how I see it. But that can't work. Example, one person interprets the films as Smith being evil and Neo good, another says Smith is good and Neo is evil. Who is right? They can't both be because each of them contradict each other.

 yes they can... the contradiction iz just az real az they are.... it iz pure energy. i know that u can feel it when u watch the moviez.

 Faith alone doesn't get you answers. All it gets you is opinions on what the answer is. This thread was a case in point. A lot of these ideas contradict even the spiritual and philosophical meanings in the characters.

i know and it iz truly awesome. in the contradictions liez the truth 

 Are they all right though just because he can formulate them into a thought process? No. At the end of it all there is no evidence to support these or any of your past claims.

 

 

All those that have refuted you and your interpretations are well aware of the spiritual and philosophical areas of the Matrix, even more then you are I would say, mmmm  but we also are aware that they are not everywhere and there are times when trying to incorporate one into everything keeps the story from being told. or maybe, that iz where the story truly beginz

So here's the question we are all dying to know. When are you going to realize that you are not the authority on the MAtrix and just because you say it doens't make it true?

2 realize that i am an authority would be 2 claim ownership and i do not but.... i am merely an explorer of said content. that iz all. i have been exploring for yearz and yearz. that iz all i claim to be.

numerology iz a good stepping stone for exploring reality. one of many. that iz why i tell everyone that mxo is the seventh version of the matrix. the war iz over! in the sixth version, war took place. on the 6th day; man was created. the symbol of man iz the same symbol for marz. marz iz the god of war! if u are coming into this solar system, marz iz the 6th planet u come across.

anyway; numerology iz kool but itz not all---------truth streches well beyond

im not an authority of the matrix. none of us are and at same time we all are. what matters iz the contradictions and what we do with all that energy that iz born from it. the light it emits can be quite blinding. lets open our eyez and see what we can see....

i wouldnt worry too much about the face palms of gamis b and the others.

there is soo many ways to interpret the matrix (that iz fact) and they face palm that!

the problem here and especialy in other threads are that people have gotton together and discussed amongst themselves what this means and what that means, without seeing the religious aspects, philosophical aspects, and also the aspects that are just soo next level, a form of thinking has not been created to explain it yet.

that will most definetly get some face palms for sure

but it is one thing to face palm and it is quite another to actually deny that ideas happen all the time, especially as more information becomes available.

if it is one thing this post and posts like it do... it is that they rekindle the vibe, the mystery, and the design of the matrix!

the numerology stuff is on track, on time and needed by all individuals who play mxo

it is time for a lot more things to occur!

question is.... will they be ready?

oh that iz easy!

sentinals were dispatched to unplug the mobil av's

the general is a sentinal, he and his other sentinals just plug it back in.

and by the way these are my opinions, that is truth. if u can think of better explanation, feel free.

mmmm

if the mobil av's were not unplugged, smith would have got out.

oh btw i hope that no one thinks that because every year we see smith return as being an indication that he did get out for that is not the real smith! yes, it is true, the smith virus can effect u but since it is not catastrophic, that is further truth that programs are in place that prevent it from happening again.

that program called the smith virus is a very weakened version of the original.

that is all

mmmm

good question!

i believe that the only way to counter what was going down was to leave it alone... let it play itself out.

the simulation was fubar, i believe every human being in the simulation died

it is my opinion that if the architect is to save machine city, he has to comepletly firewall the simulation. any virtual usb ports that are used as an exit have to be disconnected. we know them as mobil av's.  if smith got out thru a mobil av, it is over!

that is exactly what he did.

he countered the problem by isolating the matrix completely.

allow it to play itself out, which it did,and then restore the simulation with a REWRITING of all code so as to prevent such a situation from happening again.

that is the simulation that we currently find ourselves in.

there are programs running that prevent such a situation from ever happening again.

anyway

that is my opinion, and so ima wait for everyone to post a reply disagreeing with me.

lol

the architect cannot see past any choice

to him they are varibles to the equation that must be solved and countered.

that is his mistake.

while he was busy, thinking 2 dimensionally with neo, some serious stuff was going down in the simulation. smith was beginning to get his groove on.

he had fragemnts of neo in his programming because of what happened in the first film. he didnt quite understand it but explained it as something overwritten or copied. the bottom line was he is back, unplugged and he has the mind of neo reversed.

neo wants to save humanity

smith wants to destroy humanity

now the architect has 2 problems, binary in nature, opposite of each other

the situation is escalating rapidly. agents are despatched to counter the problem but to no impact

the architect is then faced with the truth to just how these 2 anomalies blindslided him in the ultimate "didnt see this *poop* coming kind of way!"

2 systemic anomalies threatening the system, one is reproducing itself by overwriting everyone it comes into contact with.

all efforts to counter fail in a fashion that produces another anomaly to counter

1000 smiths/1000 agents to counter=2000 smiths

2000 smiths/6000 agents to counter=8000 smiths

see a pattern emerging?

at the end of revolutions, the matrix was completely inhabited by the anomaly. every blue pill, every program was smith

all recources to counter have been depleted.

u have the fields where people are grown but they are not connected to the matrix yet,

mmmm

we know the rest of the story. the architects mistake?

not seeing and countering smith in time was the mistake.

that is my theory anyway

i am not going to respond to this post anymore, read my last transmission again

i will be in mara c on syntax server if u want to discover the real truth about the matrix

what i have seen in front of me is proof that left alone long enough, people will begin to lose perspective of knowledge obtained from a source providing that they are allowed to discuss it with other people.

here i am, a single individual with a view point that contradicts what it is they believe and to put a point to it.

this same mentality ushers in a defragmenting of human consciousness.

its a blue pill mentality!

i asked all of you in the beginning what is the matrix?

i told u the truth about certain aspects that were brought up in this thread.

i knew what the consequences were, i tried anyway. that was my mistake

i apologize for any inconveinance i have caused u

goodbye

nexus2revolution wrote:

jeez vinia

there is something that u need to know about me and that iz i think outside the box and u can say anything that u want about me but i would like to make a point here.

it is 2 dimensional thinking to consider that since neo did not go back to source, the matrix could not be re-booted. and it is 2 diminsional to believe that the version of the matrix we saw in revolutions did not crash and have to be rebooted to another version.

No its called useing LOGIC and REASON. Logic dictates that because Neo never reached the source the cycle was not continued sense that was the only way to bring about a new cycle. 

wrong answer; who told u that?the movies never say that, that is something u tend to believe

 And sense the number of cycles is the measure we judge what version of the Matrix we are in, you are clearly wrong in saying we are in version 7. Even for a pseudo philosophical view your wrong because then it would only be version 4. 1 was Paradise, 2  was Man's history/hell. 3 introduced Choice and the One which ran through 6 cycles. 4 would be the now and post 6th cycle.

wrong answer again, someone is roll playing too much. there was dialogue mentioning the first matrix as being paradise where no one suffered, it was clearly a christian reference to the garden of eden. but as far as the films are concerned, there is no dialogue that confirms anything about mans history/hell. or the 3rd one introducing choice. ummm so im going comeplety disregard any of that,

nexus2revolution wrote:

the whole choice thing; red pill or blue pill, to believe or not to believe, to be with power or without power, this door or that door was shattered in revolutions. for neo created a third choice.

choices were shattered, the matrix crashed! the one was a lie! it is all a system of control.

that control failed!

This is irrelevant to figuring what version of the Matrix we are in and you need to decided which way you want to argue. you started by debating a literal change in the numbered version and tried to use hard evidence like Zions Jack-in OS to support you. Now you throwing it all out the window and spouting off supposed "profound" meanings to back you up.

The break down of choice (which was never there to begin with if you actually take note of what Neo means when he says "You were right Smith, you were always right. It was inevitable.""%20width="15"%20height="15">%20doesn't%20mean%20anything.%20Control%20is%20still%20very%20present%20in%20the%20Matrix,%20it%20just%20take%20a%20new%20form.%20The%20only%20break%20down%20was%20the%20ending%20to%20the%20One%20cycle%20(which%20again%20proves%20our%20points%20and%20dismantles%20your%20own)%20But%20even%20so%20the%20Matrix%20does%20not%20crash.%20We%20watch%20to%20from%20Smiths%20defeat%20to%20the%20end%20of%20the%20film%20and%20no%20crash%20is%20seen.%20There%20is%20a%20rewriting%20to%20fix%20everything%20that%20Smith%20destroyed%20in%20it%20but%20no%20literal%20crash%20takes%20place.%20Nor%20any%20reboot.%20The%20Matrix%20is%20still%20constantly%20running.

the crash was the matrix being occupyed by smiths. u dont actually think a crash has to do with a loss of power do u? the crash is what u see right in front of u but are just too blind to see it.

open ur eyes!

the entire simulation was taken over by smith. u are staring at the crash and it doesnt even register. such 2 dimensional thinking. smith was everywhere, the architect had lost control of the simulation in ever aspect.

come on, think it through; everyone in the sim was infected with the smith.

why do u think that after the conversation with the architect that there was fire when he closed the door, and neo had to fly out?

because smith had gotton thru the door made of light and it triggered the bomb

yes the matrix is constantly running, this is true but dont think for a second that it is in machine control

 

nexus2revolution wrote:

hell yes this is a new version of the matrix! and i dont really think that u guys are the serious experts that u claim to be, if u were u would agree with me. i mean come on, get ur head in the game and think it through completely.

None of us have claimed to be experts. If agreeing with you is what it takes to be such I'll be the first to say id rather be a bumbling *CENSORED* idiot on the subject, thank you very much. We have all thought it through but not all of us are so keen to be completely ignorant when it comes to key facts and not interpretations.

nexus2revolution wrote:

let me break it down completly for u....

trinity was supposed to die in the matrix, neo saved her

smith was an unplugged program, found a way to get out of the matrix.

neo was blinded but found a way to see

neo found out eveything is a lie

smith took complete control of the matrix

neo went to machine city

matrix was rebooted without neo returning to the source

now everything above was done for the very first time ever

in debir court.

No Trinity was never set to die.

 Architect said that she is going to die and there is nothing u can do to stop it 

In fact the Oracle explained to Neo that he was the one that would decide her fate. To live or die. If anything she was meant to live because of the door he picked. This isn't even getting into the whole "The mind makes it real" understanding you clearly lack. Trinity never died. In the real her heart was fine and was never pierced by anything, when she did "die" it was her mind being unable to distinguish between what was real and what wasn't anymore. All Neo did was give her RSI a jump start so her brain could wake up again and remember that nothing in the Matrix was real thus she's fine.

The Oracle also already explained Smith and exiles to Neo. She tells him that programs sometimes choose exile over deletion for their own reasons. Smith did just this. He was driven by his desire to kill Neo which disallowed him to return to the source. The fact that no other Agent had ever done so is irelivent. it only shows that the Oracle has something in motion and Smith was apart of it.

Neo's blindness is also irrelevant. How exactly does his condition in the real (something that only has 1 version) pertain to the Matrix version? All it shows us is again something is happening that hasn't happened before. Neo has tapped further into his powers then any other "One". The Oracle even explained that to him by telling him the power of the One reaches beyond the Matrix.

this throws logik and reason out the window. how can a man see when he has no eyes?it is a signal to the viewer, the audience memeber to let go of all ur preconceptions, there is no science that can explain what is going on now.

this is beyond powers, this is neo connecting to the source in a way the architect cannot understand. he is seeing his enviroment and its like the whole thing is made of light!  it is, everything is energy! that is some next level science for those of u are rushing to catch up now,

The revealing of the "truth" and how everything was a lie is just as irrelevant to bring about another version

 

 The only part it plays is in the end game and that now Neo knows exactly whats going on and how complicated the situation really is. In fact the truth only puts him further into the Oracle's grasp and gives him more of a reason to go along with her.

Smith's control just shows how great his power has become. Like Neo he has tapped further into the power one can achieve within the Matrix. That and that now version six is under his command now and no longer under the Machines. But no reset, crash, or reboot has occurred. Smith has done nothing more then redesign and rewrite.

2 dimensional thinking again : (

Neo going to the Machine city is once again irrelevant to the version number. All it does is show us he's going along with the Oracle's plan. That something new is happening but it isn't changing the system or the Matrix.

Lastly the Matrix IS NOT rebooted. It is rewritten. To reboot a computer you have to shut it down. No where do I see the screen going black and the system restarting. What we see is more consistent with what we see in the first film. The Machines overwriting the code. In this case it was massive sense Smith's rewrite was just as massive but there still is no reboot.

This all being done for the first time is pointless. it just shows us that the cycle was broken and as a said before if anything this a version 4. But even then that isn't right sense the only thing that has changed is the cycle is no longer available. The choice for bluepills still remains. The needs to monitor them is still there. In fact nothing has changed at all except that Neo destroyed the cycle. The reasons for the cycles creation though are still very much present within the Matrix.

Oh yeah and there is only one scene with debir in it, and it ain't where any of this happened. The Battle between Smith and Neo was in downtown. In fact they come crashing down on the very phone booth the first film ends at. Then the meeting between the oracle and Architect happens in a park. Not the middle of a ghetto.

nexus2revolution wrote:

this game is not version 6. the movie was version 6.

some of u guys have said that some of this stuff in this game is not canon; that in and of itself is saying that this is not version 6.

rarebit can come on as the merv and say anything in chat; unless it is approved by the brothers; its not canon.

As pointed out above your reasoning for this not being version 6 is all but wrong. It is still very much version 6 and even the most cynical players about the game and its story will all agree that we are still in version six at the end of the film.

u said urself that the simulation was rewritten which tell me that u actually see what it is i am talking about. the problem lies in what exactly does it mean that u are seeing. i will tell u

rewritten, is that the word u want to use? ok fine, verison seven was written on top of version 6. its not the same matrix. there are more than 1000 reasons that are all around u. stop being so dense, please.

Those that say the game isn't canon though are very much mistaken and only say so because it doesn't live up to their expectations of what the game would bring (most actually are just peeved that their theory was smashed to bits by the game) Also the Brothers did approve it all. They handed the Matrix saga over to Paul Chadwick. From that point on it was his baby to do with whatever he wanted. While he did remain loyal to them and got their advice on certain aspects it was still very much his to do whatever with. Once he had had enough he handed it off to Rarebit. While some may come on and say that this nullifies MxO from the Matrix canon it doesn't until the W bros come on and say so. We have been left with them saying that it was Paul's to do with and that was the last we heard. Anything else is only speculation and personal disagreement with the direction the story has taken.

nexus2revolution wrote:

for all of u who read this; it is true that we are playing version 7, version 6 did crash when smith took over everything. watch the last film, nothing in that last film indicates that it did not reboot. all the proof the nay sayers have is what was said by the architect in the previous film which holds no water since it was before revolutions. we find out in revolutions that the one is just another form of control.

its 2 dimensional thinking about a film that shatters that form of thinking.

anyway

i look foward to see u guys in game; dont forget to come to the party tomorrow night for asagi; it is her farewell party for she is retiring from mxo. it will be in debir court.

Back it up. So far all you have is a trail of completely wrong and debunked theories. Until you show some credible evidence that isn't filled with your own interpretation you haven't proven anything. Nothing in the last film indicates that it DID reboot. As I said the burden of proof states that you have to prove your claim that something does exist not that we have to prove it doesn't. All the proof we showed with the architect does hold water. It is never refuted, never contradicted. The move ends leaving us to believe he was right about all he said. In fact (and this may come as a shock) the last two films were filmed together. They are two parts of a whole story. The revelation of control doesn't disprove anything at all. In fact its what revealed that Neo was just control meaning that in order for your theory to even be considered as right our facts would have to have been true!

nexus2revolution wrote:

thats the point i try to make; everything i have said up until now, proves without a shdow of a doubt that u have no idea what it is u are talking about. u cannot prove to me that mxo is version 6! none of u can, every single one of u are absolutley wrong.

this thing is like the great religion wars.

ur wrong because u think i am wrong. i interpret things differently than u. there is more than one way of seeing things. every single one of u guys believe the same way, u think im wrong.

u know a person is smart, people can be stupid, they get together and they form cults, they can start riots, they can follow the blind.

i have no such intentions and i will not accept that u guys have a clue to what ur talking about.

lol

this game is not the matrix that u saw in the movies; any of u who believe that are role players, the matrix that u saw in the last 20 seconds of the final film is not the matrix that u saw when the oracle and neo were sitting on a bench in debir court.

ur are in error to think this way and that is ok, because how u understand the story and grasp what u see is dependent upon where u are spiritually.

that is all

 

Ok logic and reasoning doesn't seem to work so lets try the pigheadedness route as used by Siren...

Everything we have said up until now, proves without a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea what you are talking about. You cannot prove to us that MxO isn't version 6! You are absolutely wrong. (As Gami said 'Burdon of Proof'

yes i have, watch the films
You are wrong because you think we are wrong, and you blatantly ignore evidence presented. We interpret things differently than you as we use logic and reasonable evidence. While there is more than one way of seeing things, most of us do not need to come up with faux evidence to back up our reasoning. Most of us believe the same reasoning based on, quite frankly, hundreds of discussions with each other and research on the topic and similar topics, that is where u fail  However, despite all of this you think we are wrong.

A collective intelligence is far better than a single intelligence as a single person can and often does make mistakes, mistakes that can be rectified and/or pointed out by others.

 ok ima play ur game vinia! a collective intelligence is far better.... mmmm

az i recall a lot of people believed the earth was flat, one person thought it was round, he was persecuted.

um there was a cult down in south america that was led by jim jones, it was a collective, they all committed suicide.

another cult fairly recently did the same thing when they saw hale bopp comet in the night sky.

in a group conciousness, riots begin, wars start, and this thread is a perfect example, all of u have completely forgot what this post was origiially about.

it was a bunch of people together that is responsible for killing christ.

i never heard of a group of people spontaneously comeup with a ala theory of relativity.

 

 

 A collective intelligence which openly looks into all theories and compare it to evidence presented is more likely to get to the truth than a single person who will not accept evidence.

a collective conscience is more likely to go to the movies, go shopping, and destroy 12 city blocks after a soccer game than look at a theory.

I have every intention on contributing to the collective intelligence in the hopes that I may, in some way, help to advance understanding and I will not accept that you have a clue to what you are talking about.

that is why u have failed, this whole thing has turned into all of u against me, i stand tall against all of u,and u great collective is trying to crucify me and i am going to prove all of u are wrong now.

'lol'

This game is based on the simulation shown in Reloaded and Revolutions and used as a vehicle by the brothers Wachowski to further that story.  You have presented us no real evidence that the simulation that you saw in the last 20 seconds of Revolutions is not the simulation that you saw when the Oracle and Neo were sitting on that bench in Debir Court.

YES I HAVE. i cannot help if u cant see it. u saw at the end of the matrix revolutions that everything changed. that is proof, believe ur own eyes! there is no interpretation of it that can come from another's  mind, just acknowldege what u saw and stopp asking someone who dont have a clue what it means to provide u with the answer. that is how this whole thing started. u agree with what someone else says and u go with it without thinking, blindly.

You are in error to think this way and that is OK, as long as you don't claim that you are correct and everyone else is wrong just because you ignore strong evidence and you think you are correct.

my evidence is what is in the films, not another persons interpretation. watch the films, ask urself, not somone else what happened.

That is all.

 

thats the point i try to make; everything i have said up until now, proves without a shdow of a doubt that u have no idea what it is u are talking about. u cannot prove to me that mxo is version 6! none of u can, every single one of u are absolutley wrong.

this thing is like the great religion wars.

ur wrong because u think i am wrong. i interpret things differently than u. there is more than one way of seeing things. every single one of u guys believe the same way, u think im wrong.

u know a person is smart, people can be stupid, they get together and they form cults, they can start riots, they can follow the blind.

i have no such intentions and i will not accept that u guys have a clue to what ur talking about.

lol

this game is not the matrix that u saw in the movies; any of u who believe that are role players, the matrix that u saw in the last 20 seconds of the final film is not the matrix that u saw when the oracle and neo were sitting on a bench in debir court.

ur are in error to think this way and that is ok, because how u understand the story and grasp what u see is dependent upon where u are spiritually.

that is all

u guys would argue with the brothers about it if they said themselves that it was version 7.

lol

even if they told u that it was their intention to throw LOGIK and REASONING out the window when it came to what happened in the third film.

it is obvious that the pattern disintergrated, nothing happened the way it was supposed to.

they dont talk about it because its their firm belief that we have to make up our own *CENSORED* mind what it is that we are seeing.

everyone is going to see what they see based on their own experience and what they find more comfortable dealing with.

all i can say is i dont see things the way u do; i see them very differently. what i saw is much deeper than anything that has been said

logik and reasoning are not the tools that i use to interpret the films, it is too deep for that.

the second u think that u know everything about the films, u can watch them again and u pik up something else.

here is how i interpret the flims....

the matrix films are not even films to me; they are an awakening experience full of next level ideas

what we saw was the sixth version of the matrix and that has bibical significance.

this version called mxo is the seventh version and that has bibical significance.

it has nothing to do with any logik or reason, it is that, because that is how it is

 we see 6 and we experience 7. nothing in the movies have i seen the way u guys do, it doesnt matter if neo went back to the source or didnt ; that is just it. u see that it is based on some kind of order u find in the movie, but what u dismiss is the direction that the brothers were heading was throwing out order. things happened.

i saw the matrix change, that change was the ending of the 6th version and the beginning of the seventh. it wasnt black/white like u want it to be. it was equilevent to a spiritual movement., an evolution!

this is the seventh version of the matrix because that is the end of creation, end of the matrix.

patch notes confirmed that for me when i jacked into the matirx for the first time, 3 days after it went live.

thats all the proof i need, u guys can argue about it more if u like; but ur only going to come off  like tank in the first film when he was talking to neo when he was trying to do something impossible : P

im going to rest now, this dialogue as exceeded it's boundaries, please refrain from acting like children because there is truly something to be learned from this, all u have to do is look past ur preconceptions and dig deeper.

jeez vinia

there is something that u need to know about me and that iz i think outside the box and u can say anything that u want about me but i would like to make a point here.

it is 2 dimensional thinking to consider that since neo did not go back to source, the matrix could not be re-booted. and it is 2 diminsional to believe that the version of the matrix we saw in revolutions did not crash and have to be rebooted to another version.

the whole choice thing; red pill or blue pill, to believe or not to believe, to be with power or without power, this door or that door was shattered in revolutions. for neo created a third choice.

choices were shattered, the matrix crashed! the one was a lie! it is all a system of control.

that control failed!

hell yes this is a new version of the matrix! and i dont really think that u guys are the serious experts that u claim to be, if u were u would agree with me. i mean come on, get ur head in the game and think it through completely.

let me break it down completly for u....

trinity was supposed to die in the matrix, neo saved her

smith was an unplugged program, found a way to get out of the matrix.

neo was blinded but found a way to see

neo found out eveything is a lie

smith took complete control of the matrix

neo went to machine city

matrix was rebooted without neo returning to the source

now everything above was done for the very first time ever

this game is not version 6. the movie was version 6.

some of u guys have said that some of this stuff in this game is not canon; that in and of itself is saying that this is not version 6.

rarebit can come on as the merv and say anything in chat; unless it is approved by the brothers; its not canon.

anyway

for all of u who read this; it is true that we are playing version 7, version 6 did crash when smith took over everything. watch the last film, nothing in that last film indicates that it did not reboot. all the proof the nay sayers have is what was said by the architect in the previous film which holds no water since it was before revolutions. we find out in revolutions that the one is just another form of control.

its 2 dimensional thinking about a film that shatters that form of thinking.

anyway

i look foward to see u guys in game; dont forget to come to the party tomorrow night for asagi; it is her farewell party for she is retiring from mxo. it will be in debir court.

when did the architect say this?

who interviewed the architect? how can u even get in to see the architect to ask him?

u have to go thru the door made of light; yes?

i dont know; umm give me specifics, so that i may see

and it is obvious to me that because of the events that happened, it wasnt neccessary for neo to return to source for matrix to reboot.

matrix can reboot in a number of ways, i dont know why u find it so hard to believe me. maybe ur just saying crap just to say it in order to mess with me, everything i said has been accurate.

the only way for what u are saying to be true is to "re_make" the movies according to ur vision and make sure u change the ending, take out the effects of it changing, make sure u show all the blue pills wake up as the oracle did, then re-write the dialogue between the oracle and the architect so as to mention that smith was just cleaned up, and actually show him in another shot where he is hugging the other agents as they welcome him back. and have the archetect look at camera and say hey this is same matrix az before.

unfortunatley i dont think the brothers will let u do that, so u will have to wait 40 years before u can do that.

untill then.... im afraid all proof is in my favor and there is no denying that; try as u may, there is no getting around it; im soo sorry

lmao

umm yes, we are all roleplaying, including me, ummm i had no idea i was but i guess i am....

my bad, wont happen again

we all are aquainted with how religious lore iz embedded in the matrix movies....

further proof that this is seventh version....

and on the seventh day GOD ended his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.

genesis 2:2

if anyone has seen the origins of the matrix dvd included in the ultimate matrix collection box set, then u would know that all religious lore in the matrix films were done on purpose by the writers.

this version of the matrix has been without a neo since its inception 3 years ago.

the above lore can be interpreted at will regarding said problem of versions

if days were actually versions of simulations; it could make u go ........ whoa!

mmmm

as many people say that i am wrong and misinformed, there are problems and holes in what u are saying.

the architect said in describing versions of the matrix; that he prefers to count the emergence of one intregal anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

unless u have dialogue from the brothers to back ur statement up, im going to have to take the stance that u and other people that agree with you are wrong on this account that mxo is still the sixth version and need to stop selling this untruth az fact.

let us first define what a version of the matrix is. a version of a simulation is any improvement of the simulation hence why everytime we get a patch, it will read differently v7.156 to v7.247. for example.

the argument i see that is oft repeated is that i cannot use the patch notes as verification because that is only a hovercraft operating system. that is pretty good imagination but im not role playing here at all. we are not on a hovercraft and i dont have a system for hacking into the matrix. i wish i did, i would hack it, bring the original gi back but thats besides the point. : P

back to topic, neo has already emerged in version 6

this is not the same version because everything has changed, this mxo is one that we can play, it is not same version as the one we saw in the movies. u need to stop selling that untruth as truth. i ask that next time u jack into mxo and look around. if this is still version 6, why on earth is everyone looking for neo to come back?

the oracle mentioned that we might see him again, i believe her.

look at ur patch notes next time u log on.... it says v7.****, it has always been v7. the brothers wanted it that way! that is why it is that way!

this isnt role playing- the patch notes are not on ur hovercraft operating system- u get those notes directly form the source; i mean soe!

the thing that happened at the end of neo/smith fight was a reboot.  the last shot was mxo.

the reason that u still see smith virus and neo agents is because like the oracle said, smith wouldnt stop with the simulation and he didnt obviously, he obviously got out and went beyond the simulation. bits of him are everywhere. example of what im talking about and this cannot be downplayed.

smith actually got out of the matrix, remember, and overwrote a human being in the real. lets no underestimate how mind boggling this is.

oracle refers to it as the smith buisness. the smith buisness was far more complex then we know, it exceeded the boundaries of the matrix more than we realize. i believe it is possible for him to have gotton in machine city even.

the smith virus and the neo agents that we see pop up every now and then in my view point are a running parody in the simulation. they are not systemic anomalies that actually threaten the system. if they were, then we would see them doing just that. the intruders caused more damage to the system than they did. they actually got the attention of the architect.

anyway

like i was saying, anyone can say this is version 6, version 12, version 183. the patch notes say this is version 7. that is proof. other proof is the end of the last film when u see everything change. that is what a reboot look likes. the green tint was gone. it was a new version of the matrix. i am not role playing here and if u are, i hope im not ruining the way u view things in said fashion.

everybody is going to interpret things differently, this is true but we are arguing with the films. one can say anything to back up their belief. discount this, acknowledge that. for example, the end of the matrix meant nothing, it never rebooted, it was just patched. lol the patch was the reboot!

u guys crack me up, u saw the change, u cant deny that it happened, i saw it, u saw it, everyone saw it. if that change didnt happen, i would agree with u that it is same version but it did happen, any change is a reboot at that point since there is no cleaning up the apocalypse.

ummm btw i am finished with this post, umm unless u have documented dialogue from the brothers that what i say is absolutley wrong. unfortunatley that is the genius of the matrix movies, it can be interpreted so many ways but in this way it cant. unless u close ur eyes in the last 2 minutes of the third film. u see it happen, and ur going to tell me im wrong and i didnt see what i saw. the problem here is interpretation.

ofcourse we going to interpret things differently, some people can see the image of jesus in a hotdog. but we all can agree we see a hotdog.

i saw that neo could see without actually having eyes and what he was seeing was in fact the enviroment he was walking thru. i ask the question "how is that even possible?" now this is when interpretations can get side tracked....

is it because he was connected to the source? i say that it is a strong possibility!

he did feel the source when he touched the sentinals, he seperated his mind from his body, all of those are facts!

hell, one can say he became the source!

ofcourse that is interpretation, and there are as many interpretations as there are people on the planet

what is the matrix? what is the source?

the matrix is our reality  the source is the thing that creates!

thats what i believe

the oracle mentioned something in the continuing dialogue that iz really next level!

when neo was asking her questions regarding how he seperated his mind from his body, and just what exactly was happening to him.

she went on about the source...

she said thats what he felt when he touched those sentinals

he wasnt ready for that

he should be dead

but he wasnt ready for that either

mmmm

leads me to believe that he touched the source!

mmmm

what is the matrix?

what is the source?

mmmm

it is time to meditate : P

who decided it was time?

you know who?

i did... well i think it is time i knew more

me too!

the launcher means nothing....

the launcher is not re written software written by hackers inside zion. it is written by soe. soe is responsible for any new patches to the software, soe.

if the patch notes were version v.3.**** or v.18.**** or v.120.**** i would think u are absolutely right.

i dont believe in conincidences.

something to think about.

something very different was happening. we are talking about insertion of the anomaly back into the source will reboot the matrix. mmmm, something is weird about that because isnt smith neo's opposite? is he not the anamoly too? the ying to his yang sort of speaking.

did the architect know about smith?

or was smith a very new disaster that was occuring for the first time?

i dont know, i think that it is possible that smith is just as much the one as neo was. its all balanced, ummm i havent heard compelling evidences from anyone  saying that this is still version 6, it is still same matrix . i am more inclined to believe what i saw

i saw neo go to machine city, i saw neo talk to the machine with the baby face : ) and i saw a machine jack go into the back of neo's head.

because of this, neo is connected to the matrix via a hardline, a machine city hardline. ummm can anyone say the word SOURCE! while coughing.

: P

i think that because the operator is a machine, if the jack doesnt come out, who will take it out? u going to be inside the matrix for a lonnnng time

oh i remember what the architect said.

how do we know neo didnt go back to source after the neo/smith fight?

umm hehehehe this whole coversation has been awesome, u guys are very convincing, ummm btw, what the heck is marias saying with all the 1's and 0's? i think it is a trick so im not going to decode anything.

the last shot of matrix revolution was completely different than it was 6 minutes earlier and also different than than the one in the previous film.

that impression never entered into ur mind when u was watching it?

the last shot of the last film was in fact a very realistic shot of mxo!

mxo is not the same version as the films.

there are a lot of differences but before i share some with u, according to what the architect says, there were five versions prior. it gets real complicated now. its all about the choice that neo makes to pik 23 individuals to rebuild zion. (representive of the 23 genes in human dna)

examples that prove that mxo is not the same matrix that we see in reloaded

those who want to leave can

there are hardlines everywhere

no cops

the patch notes is undeniable proof and cannot be dismissed

but im not trying to argue, i just would like to have a discussion about mxo, i am really enjoying this and it makes me feel good to know that this post has become a wonderful discussion.

what happens now?

obviously they will be freed

i have ur word?

what do u think i am....human?

the simulation crashed when smith took over every one....

imagine a virus that effects ur computer, turrns ur antivirus off and begins to rewrite every single program on ur hard drive so completely that u cant use anything anymore, pics, songs, every file in every folder.

now imagine that this virus has ai and when it is rewriting, its not just scambling things up, it is turning each file into itself.

ur screenshots become the virus

almost like a biological virus isnt it?

mmmm

now if this happened to a system, how exactly can this system clean things up when the virus has taken control of everything

the oracle, sati, seraph were programs, i did not see blue pills waking up as they did, im still trying to figure out how it was that the oracle and sati were able to wake up but not neo. all 3 suffered same fate. they were programs i suppose, neo was human. come to think of it, i dont see any humans waking up as the oracle did.

they were all destroyed?

mmmm

i dont know, maybe it is a slow process to upload the humans back into the sim

those of u who still believe that this is still version 6

i would like to indicate the following exhibits as evidence.

the matix in the film was completely taken over by smith, every man, woman and child was smith, programs and blue pills alike. i think it is underestimated just how catastorphic this was to the simulation.

the oracle even mentioned that smith would not stop there, so neo manned up and did what he had to do

now how exactly do u erase what happened to those poor blue pills without rebooting the sim? they are scarred for life! lol even if u do a rollback of windows, ur puter has to reboot.

thats how programs work. u get a serious enough virus in ur system, ur sytems crashes, u cannot bring the system back without a reboot.

to indicate further that a different version was booted up is that there is no more green tint

other evidence includes

the patch notes

when this game went live, it has always been v7.****

and yes, i believe it is like that for a reason

matrix version 6 was the movies

matrix version 7 is the one that u can play

makes sense to me, in a most poetic matrix style; doesnt it?

a lot of things are poetic in the matrix, a lot of things are interpreted differently

like how in the first movie, the film begins and ends in the same room

its mind boggling but cool as a piece of ice.

we all are going to interpret the movies differently, i cant dismiss the changes i saw at the end of the third film as just eye candy, it meant something very profound was happening. it was a reboot! how can u say it wasnt, in the films, every single frame has meaning so why even show the change if it wasnt intended to make people believe that the simulation was rebooting since nothing like those effect were ever shown in the previous films before it.

mmmm

those images look all "MATRICULATED" wow!

actually this is version 7.

look at ur patch notes when u log in2 the game

launch version: v7.5647

so one can ultimatley say that this is version7.5 : )

it is my view point that

the matrix in the trilogy was version 6 because the architect announced to neo that this will be the 6th time they have destroyed zion.

at the end of the trilogy, u saw something happening, when things were changing after the neo/smith fight.

the matrix has always had a green tint but when that change happened, the green tint was gone.

it was a new matrix, version 7.

and on the seventh day god ended his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.

genesis 2:2

what iz the matrix?

it haz been said that it is a system built to keep us under control in order to turn a human being in2 a battery.

at the end of the matrix trilogy; we find a very different matrix... version 6 had crashed and version 7 was booted up.

mxo iz version 7. it iz a matrix where human beings can leave if they choose to and we find 3 orgz fighting for power and control.

after 3 years, this version iz still running and a couple of heroes have been exterminated in the course of that time period. a lot of programz have come to power and eventually defeated. for a while, the truce waz broken and war waz imminent but even that waz shortlived and gave way to something, something elusive, and quiet and dare i say meleoncholy.

could this be the quiet before the storm?

will the machines decide to eventually stop all humans from jacking into the matrix?

will we see the anomaly we called neo return?

or will we humanz cease to care about entering into the simulation altogether

it is up to us!

if what was posted above is accurate, then....

i am all for taking up another clothing spot for the original gi. i think it is worth it!

ill tell u why...

is this game going to last another 4 years? what is good at the end of said 4 years, when u have a total of 45 subscriptions and they dont play the game at all but u still have clothing spots left.

take up another clothing spot, give us the original gi back with some new skins on them, make them more buff than the sati playground ones and a special edition one.

ideas on skins: red/gold, black/blue, one with matrix code on it and a tattered one in various colors. (on a personal note, i would like to see a hacking gi with appropriate accuracies and damages)

if u can reskin existing clothing as many times as u want, by all means; reskin, reskin, reskin! broaden the pallette, it is all good!

max out the clothing spots, it is a good idea because... people are leaving, it is time to have a party! : D

u can then concentrate on story, missions, quests, side quests and live events.

and when u find that the game has 45000 new subscribtions because u did that, then u can go to soe, tell them u have a problem and they can contract 2 guys to come down, crack the game open, re-write a code here and there without breaking the game, build some kind of extra clothing spots and put it back together.

problem solved

wrong answer!

because the gi existed in game for how long now, 4 years? (counting the beta)

there was not an option, true but it wasnt an issue. it is same as an agent suit being purple or apple green.

those colors dont exist in the agent suit so u can say that we dont have a choice.

no one wants or thinks about those colors.... its an agent suit (except mary and kim)

but if all of a sudden , the color of the agent suit is changed and mary and kim like it, the heck with everyone else, its more colorful and therefore 100% better.

so we post about where is the choice in that? we liked the agent suit the way it was... change it back or better yet, give us the original color back!

all mary and kim want to do is voice their opinions as facts and make fun of people who liked things the way they were.

mmmm

on a ligher note, im betting because mary or kim want to have last word they will post something after this : P

the point i was trying to make was...

the pants have nothing to do with the gi looking better.

u think they look better and that it is ur opinion and u should state it as such

it is no way fact, i understand why you think as u do and i have an opinion of my own, this is fact.

: P

when our freedom of choice is taken away, we as people tend to get upset.

u have been promoting pants on the gi for quite some time. the devs put pants on them and you liked it but u misunderstand that when u say things like the gi's look 100% better, u are not realizing that freedom of choice was taken away.

we no longer have a choice to have the original gi- that is not 100% better, the gi with pants is not 100% better, its cleaned up, yes, but not better.

u dare call me a hypocrite

lol