*counts the seconds till this post gets eaten my a hungry admin*

AltDimension wrote:

200k for killing a level 70?!?

Think yourself lucky, we got 40k between us and a level 40 armoured shirt, and a Ugly shirt at that

Lupine animations show Silver Bullet. Hell, even Vanish showed me Silver Bullet.

That animation bug is known since beginning of CR2.

Hrmm the rollout abilities still running are an issue that will need to be looked into.

Thanks for reporting it.

An uplink like this takes planning, almost as much planning as the city itself, it is not an 'off the cuff' thing. This is one of the reasons why the Machines called of the truce, your claims as to requiring more space seem to be only half true.
An uplink to the Matrix means that an assault on the Machines whilst in the relative protection of New Zion is entirely possible.

So do any of you really have doubts left as to why the Machines called off the truce?

Dragonram wrote:

Ahem...Little bit of encouragement but you didn't get it from me

>_>

<_<

...Yes...

- Ð

I  was so kind and fixed it for you (:

1. Cynicle is spelt right.

Well, considering the MPAA just added some new criteria to movie ratings, putting smoking on the list of things that would raise the rating (yeah, it's a dumb resolution: I guess that means that all those 1940s movies with stylish people smoking cigarettes are now R-rated. Considering the sheer number of cigarettes Keanu had to smke, what the yell would the rating be on "Constantine"? NC-17?), I would think that the ESRB would have to do the same ./smoke emotes. It's a nifty idea, but it would just get shot down by the politically correctness and the healthy habits police.

Awesome! Can't wait to try this out.

Hope this hotfix will also get rid of the Data Sentries from the Zion NPC collective.

Source: http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300014857
A.K.A. the horses mouth.

War on the Machines...

Kid: We know what we have to do: shut the machines down

EPN 1: Shut the whole system down?
EPN 2 You'd have to use fullscale EMP bombardments then
Kid: That's one idea.

It gets worse....

EPN 2: If we can't hold them off we can't kill them ShadowGriever is EPN? >.>
Kid: Hold them off?
Kid: That's Zions problem.
Kid: We aren't so easy to catch.
Kid: We're not in the same situation as Zion. They're stationary. They've got a large non-combatant population to worry about.

As for the blue-pills...

Kid: Im not going to advocate any plan that results in millions of deaths--not if theres any other way.
Kid: We have to be careful if we're thinking of hitting the pods somehow.

You may argue that Zion is not EPN, as I have said before Zion is responsible for policing it's people.  I have seen no effort to stop the EPN menace, in fact I have seen a lot of support offered them from Zion, even after this discussion was made public.  You know all of this Gami, you support EPN, you were in the channel where this was made public.  Don't ask for proof you already have.

I will accept that the Machines are responsible for the actions of the Cypherites. That they are a response to EPN is no excuse for their truce threatening actions. Mistakes were made on both sides and though reasons may be given fault remains.  However the Cypherites are not willing to wipe out all life on this planet in some crazed quest for freedom.

Skill wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

Coro wrote:

(( Meh...these "let's all chat about New Zion" events are wearing a bit thin now...

If I were a Machinist, I would be suggesting that The Machines throw a whole load of cement down the tunnels and let New Zion enjoy their new home by themselves. We wouldn't be much of a threat then would we?  ))

I actually suggested planting explosive in the ground above, and just blowing the ground above up, thus burying New Zion in a pile of rumble. 

Maybe it would work. Maybe not. Face it, the ship never returned to report so the only thing you know about Zion's defenses is what you could visibly see in the cinematic. Though it's pretty obvious it's more than that small area..

Well from what we know, the machines can't attack them like they did last time, so one of the option is to drill as far as possible, plant explosives into the man holes (enough to make sure they covered all the entrance and New Zion itself.  Set off the explosives and have the entrance cave in as well as New Zion.

Coro wrote:

(( Meh...these "let's all chat about New Zion" events are wearing a bit thin now...

If I were a Machinist, I would be suggesting that The Machines throw a whole load of cement down the tunnels and let New Zion enjoy their new home by themselves. We wouldn't be much of a threat then would we?  ))

I actually suggested planting explosive in the ground above, and just blowing the ground above up, thus burying New Zion in a pile of rumble. 

From Techpowerup.com

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So I'd try alt-tabbing.  Same thing for that Mech Liaison on Recursion.  Try looking for answers in places other than the MxO forums and they might reveal themselves.

EPN want to destroy the System and they are willing to accept Machine civilization, Zion, and the Blue-pills as acceptable collateral damage.

You want to know why the machines have a problem with New Zion?  I'll tell you why.  Because mankind has killed machines who's only crime was killing human in self defense, which lead to a genocide of the machine race, which led the machines to be exiled to the cradle of civilization to create 01.  When 01 was kicking humanity's butt in the economy war, humanity reacted with blockade of 01 ports so they couldn't ship their products out.  The machines went to the UN to offer a plan for peace and economic corporations between machines and man, and what was the result, denial into the UN.  Soon after, mankind begun to nuke 01, and thus the machine/man war broke out.  In a desperate attempt to beat back the machines, mankind blocked out the sun in "Operation Dark Storm", the sun being machines only source of power at the time.  The machines won the war, and they had the choice to wipe out all of humanity, and clear up the skies.  However, they realized that by using the human body as a energy source, while putting humans inside The Matrix, it would create a new relationship between man and machine. 

It was good for awhile, until Neo approached the machines and requested peace in exchange for defeating Smith.  Neo defeated Smith and the machines abide by the terms of the Truce which states that Zion has the privilege of awakening the 1% who reject the simulation as long as Zion did not act like it was gearing up for war.

After being killed because you were defending yourself, after surviving Genocide, nuclear bombings, having your only mean of power source taken away from you, and having every attempt at a peaceful co-existence shot down, yea, I'd be pretty weary of the Zion population and wondering why they're building a fortified city that has enough EMP to take out alot of Sentials. 

Psst... If you're looking to match names to faces... Raijinn just got all the old Live Event screenshots fixed.

Neoteny wrote:

If "undermining" the Truce by building a city, which actually has nothing to do with the conditions above breaks the Truce, I submit to you that it has broken for quite some time.

Most of us did not know the specific terms of the truce...however, Zion command knew enough to know that the building of this armed city would be seen as a breach of that truce.  They willingly performed an act that they *knew* would cause the truce to break. 

Insanity.  Pure, self-destructive insanity.

 

Illyria

phi wrote:

Top notch! I would have sold my left leg to be the one talking to Tick Tock.

Given that the war most likely happened some time around 2100 (look at the masses of construction in the Real along with the extensive "sewers" even with all the machine labor, construction takes time.

Then say another another 200 years per Matrix implimentation/purge cycle puts us at around the 3300 mark with an error margin of anything up to 600 years. Make it 100 years, like the Zion we have/had. And scratch two of them since the first two versions of the matrix fell flat quickly. Assuming the war ended around the turn of the 22nd century (2100 A.D.) Then that would leave us with the year 2500 A.D.

However, the name plate of the Nebuchadnezza says it was made in the USA in 2069:

Given that they still had the concept of countries at that point, the ship had to be made some time around the start of the war, or just prior. So unless the ship is around 1000 years old, something isn't adding up.

Lol, would you rather have it say:
Mark 3.45
Nebuchadnezza
Prdouced in Factory XYZ in 01
Date 3068

I doubt the Machines would have wanted to arise suspicions by adding REAL dates and facts.

Skill wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Time is relative - the world has existed for billions, likely trillions, if not more, of years.

There was time before us, and there will be time after us.

Lest we forget that this is really something like the year 3,436,894,003,999 since the emergance of the Earth, and some infinite measure of time since the emergance of existance. But that's assuming existance didn't always exist, which is another matter, entirely.

I'm pretty sure earth is no more than 6 billion years old... assuming time is relative and all that stuff..

Quite possible - I just pulled that number off the top of my head, because, like the rest of us, I don't really know.

We can only really guess, albeit in an educated manner, when our humble planet came to be, just as we can only guess when it will cease to be.

Skill wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Gray states that he does not care about the motive of Zion's construction of a new city true and that does fit. However that was not the purpose of this thread. The purpose was to uncover the reason as to why they called off the truce. It has nothing to do why Zion built a new city.

Agent Gray also confirmed that building a new fortified city was in breach of the Truce, so I guess that takes care of the "why". 

Gami: Well, I know that. However, your post assumed that their motive for ending the truce was because of their perceived motive for Zion to build a new city. That is, the machines assumed that the motive for the new city to be built was because Zion were planning to break the truce and needed a new city to fall back on when **** hit the fan. If this wasn't what you meant you got me real confused :S

Metalogic: What the hell? That's the dumbest thing I've heard, more akin to a surrender than a truce, which is (supposed to be) an equal agreement.

Agent Gray did not call off the truce The Architect did. Because Gray doesnt assume motives doesnt mean Mr. Sanders doesn't as well. The Machines have made it very clear that reasoning for calling off the truce was because of the city but why this is such a problem isn't said anywhere. So going by what the Agents are saying it is either...

A) there reasoning is bull *CENSORED* because no where in the truce did it say that they could not move
or
B) Mr. Sanders thinks that New Zion is a potiental threat without a show of facts to back him up.

 

MotorZ wrote:

Agent Gray: Agent Gray is taking necessary security precautions.

.......

((

The follow up to that was classic:

Mon Jul 16 20:59:09 2007 [Area] {5}Agent Gray: Agent Gray is taking necessary security precautions.

Mon Jul 16 20:59:23 2007 [Area] ShadowReapr: ShadowReapr doesn't like thirdperson talk.

))

Time is relative - the world has existed for billions, likely trillions, if not more, of years.

There was time before us, and there will be time after us.

Lest we forget that this is really something like the year 3,436,894,003,999 since the emergance of the Earth, and some infinite measure of time since the emergance of existance. But that's assuming existance didn't always exist, which is another matter, entirely.

GamiSB wrote:

Gray states that he does not care about the motive of Zion's construction of a new city true and that does fit. However that was not the purpose of this thread. The purpose was to uncover the reason as to why they called off the truce. It has nothing to do why Zion built a new city.

Agent Gray also confirmed that building a new fortified city was in breach of the Truce, so I guess that takes care of the "why". 

Lucen wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

4. He means what he says, that if a life has to be taken to shut down the Machine, we won't do it.

His exact words were "Sputnik, that's a good point, but I'm not going to advocate any plan that results in millions of deaths -- not if there's any other way."

That's hardly an absolute statement.  He's flat out saying, the only way he'd do it is if there is no other way.  So if there is no alternative, he'll kill millions of bluepills.  Your attempt to spin this is laughable.

I'm sorry but who would be better to interpret Michaels words a Macxhinest or an EPN? As I said go ahead and think of it however you want but I've already told you the truth behind it. I know where I stand and I know what my leaders words mean.

A very important question in this time and day but one that hardly any know the real answer to. Oh sure we all hear how Zion moveing to a safer location and steping our of the sniper scope has caused it but was that really it? Lets ask the Agents.

Agent Gray: Operative, Cypherite spies have confirmed the existence of a new base built by Zion, intended to protect them from the threat of extermination by our Sentinels should they break the Truce.
This action itself directly undermines the function of the Truce. We have been directed to prevent Zion from extracting more humans from the pods. The use of force against Zion operatives has already begun.
Agent Pace will provide further details of the current situation. (source)

Ah so Zion moveing does have something to do with it. No wait, undermines...hmm that doesnt sound like "break" to me so lets look it up.

Undermine: To weaken by wearing away a base or foundation. To weaken, injure, or impair, often by defrees or imperceptibly; sap. (soruce)

Nope, defently not break, sorta funny sence I guess both sides have been doing this alot. The vials, Cypherites, General, and then moveing a city and all. So it seems we must look further. Maybe Pace will have something.

Agent Pace: Welcome, Mr. Kennedy. So, we have finally discovered where the supplies leaving Zion have been going for these many months. They have attempted to escape from the Truce by retreating to a more remote base--a place some of them apparently call "New Zion." They seem to hope that a combination of natural strata layers and EMP charges will allow them to disrupt the System with impunity. They will find that they are mistaken.
Zion underestimates our knowledge of their network interfaces within the simulation. Most of their secrets here are already known to us. As they have chosen to violate the law they agreed to follow, they will be punished, and their operations disrupted. Agent Gray will give you your first target. (source)

"They have attemtpted to escape from the truce" Ah ha! Motive! But wait...do we have anything to prove it? Hmm, "They seem to hope that a combination of natural strata layers and EMP charges will allow them to disrupt the System with impunity." Yes! More motive! But wait....proof of it? *CENSORED* must keep reading. Gray, anything else to add?

Agent Gray: Operative, it is not unexpected that you may have certain feelings or sentiments relating to Zion, and the humans therein. I want to make it clear that we do not engage in the unnecessary termination of life; neither do we take hostilities against Zion lightly. However, Zion's action in constructing a new fortified base reveals a clear intention to resume their past activities of attempting to damage the System, and in this circumstance, the lives of the vast majority of mankind reliant on the continued operation of the Matrix, not to mention the existence of the many programs whose existence depends upon the simulation, must take priority. (source)

Yes we finally have it! "However, Zion's action in constructing a new fortified base reveals a clear intention to resume their past activities of attempting to damage the System, and in this circumstance, the lives of the vast majority of mankind reliant on the continued operation of the Matrix, not to mention the existence of the many programs whose existence depends upon the simulation, must take priority." Wait....huh? Again a motive with no proof?  

Answer: The Machine's have ended the truce with Zion because they THINK Zion will attempt to harm the system now that they are no longer in danger of a sentinel attack despite nothing to suport this claim.

President Sanders, there are no WMDs in New Zion.