Riler@Xeth wrote:

If you have some patch notes I can ask some buddies of mine in our QA department to take a look.

You know QA guys though...you gotta tell them exactly what to look for AND exactly how to look for it AND exactly how they are supposed to tell if something is wrong.

its hard work my friend hard work zomg!

Silius wrote:

I am going to push the DK changes to test today. Can you guys pop on and test them out make sure there is no funkiness? These changes were simple to make which makes me worry.

thanks SiSi Im rdy to test, just need to know when test is patched/rdy.

it's up now just tested it out and looks good so far

Ok I'm on test and Wardar's Bulwark did not get touched.

Now that DK's abilities aren't tied to DC. That arguement is invald.

So a buff to WB is out of balance. Silius, I know you see this post. It just makes sense.

Raive@Seradon wrote:

Ok I'm on test and Wardar's Bulwark did not get touched.

Now that DK's abilities aren't tied to DC. That arguement is invald.

So a buff to WB is out of balance. Silius, I know you see this post. It just makes sense.

Dk dont have 8% mit.

PS : there is no change on test for me...

Guenievre wrote:

Raive@Seradon wrote:

Ok I'm on test and Wardar's Bulwark did not get touched.

Now that DK's abilities aren't tied to DC. That arguement is invald.

So a buff to WB is out of balance. Silius, I know you see this post. It just makes sense.

Dk dont have 8% mit.

 

PS : there is no change on test for me...

900 AC equates to near 8% mit but yes AC should be changed to mit

Up Warder's Bulwark to 18% thanks Silius to match Shield of Fear.

Pal (48%) > DK (46%) > warrior (42%) for block - this is a huge discrepency.

Riler@Xeth wrote:

I am sure I am just dense, but why is 6% parry not equal to 6% block? 

Combat goes:

- did you get missed outright?  say 40% of 1000 hits

- did you block? say 60% of the remaining 600 hits

- did you parry? say 12% of the remaining 240 hits

So 3% of 240 << 3% of 600.  Parry is rubbish.

And HTL is a damn group buff so everyone enjoys.  Sheez.  Nerf everyone's group abilities.

This sucks.  Proof in print Silius doesn't know what balance is.

Fafryd@Seradon wrote:

Up Warder's Bulwark to 18% thanks Silius to match Shield of Fear.

Pal (48%) > DK (46%) > warrior (42%) for block - this is a huge discrepency.

Is Wardern's Bulwark a crit chain?

You can see where 42% block plus 6% parry is supposed to equal 48% evasion.

Maybe they are unaware of the order of operations problem that plagues parry?

They should replace parry with riposte so the lowered evasion is somewhat made up for by the added attack to the mob.

Or they could get rid of the 3 separate evasion checks and roll them into one check with RNG ranges set for the different types of evasion.

Riler@Xeth wrote:

Fafryd@Seradon wrote:

Up Warder's Bulwark to 18% thanks Silius to match Shield of Fear.

Pal (48%) > DK (46%) > warrior (42%) for block - this is a huge discrepency.

Is Wardern's Bulwark a crit chain?

You can see where 42% block plus 6% parry is supposed to equal 48% evasion.

Maybe they are unaware of the order of operations problem that plagues parry? They should replace parry with riposte so the lowered evasion is somewhat made up for by the added attack to the mob.

We have the same parry as you guys cept HTL (which is a group buff)

We have no parry buffs.

Well whatever. DKs got fixed...kinda.

Good luck on your 6 month fight to get things for Wars patched up, at which time the Paladins will need to start complaining.

Where does your 6% come from?  HTL is 3%, and is a group buff.  You're making numbers up.

Warder's Bulwark is a crit chain.

Let's go thru it:

1. Scenario 1: Paladin and/or DK grouped with Warrior in Raid

- Paladin 48%+3% block = 51%

- DK 46%+3% block = 49%

- Warrior 42%+3%= 45%

Warrior is clearly the weakest raid tank

2. Scenario 2: Paladin and/or DK grouped with Warrior in Group

- Paladin 48%+3% block = 51%

- DK 46%+3% block = 49%

- Warrior 42%+3%= 45%

Warrior is clearly the weakest 2 tank when tanking in group

3. Scenario 3: Warrior is only tank

- Paladin 48%

- DK 46%

- Warrior 42%+3% block = 45%

Warrior is also the weakest blocking tank when the only tank in the group / solo

The changes should be on test in the pantheon chunk. I will spawn some practice dummies as soon as the chunk is back up.

Silius wrote:

The changes should be on test in the pantheon chunk. I will spawn some practice dummies as soon as the chunk is back up.

Im in Pota and no changes are on Warder's Bulwark. Its still 14%.

Raive@Seradon wrote:

Silius wrote:

The changes should be on test in the pantheon chunk. I will spawn some practice dummies as soon as the chunk is back up.

Im in Pota and no changes are on Warder's Bulwark. Its still 14%.

Cool then it is working how it is supposed to.