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Communications intercept. Transmission detected Tue 18th of Sep 2007 at 03:53 PM by MindsweepX. Communique follows:
Ml6: But orders are orders.
Coroebus: Glad that one of The Prophets could join us, Eddie.
Eddie002Fast: thx !
Eddie002Fast: sup all you Zion friends o mine :P
Iceman10: hey Eddie
Eddie002Fast: sup Iceman !
XElite: Hey.
Eddie002Fast: sup Xenin
gracewing: Hi Eddie
Eddie002Fast: sup XElite
Xenin: hi Eddie
POOLSHARK: hey all
Eddie002Fast: sup Gracewing *HUGS*
Omega0: hi Eddie and POOL
Eddie002Fast: sup Coroebus
MindsweepX: Hi Poolshark and Eddie
XElite: Hey POOL.
Eddie002Fast: sup Omega
Eddie002Fast: sup mindsweep
Eddie002Fast: sup Othinn
MindsweepX: good news i hope hehe
Xenin: wouldnt it be great if we talked in the Dojo? or is there not enough room there?
Nexus22805: Nex is present
Coroebus: Coroebus gazes at POOLSHARK's headgear enviously.
Harkee: How about we all head to the dojo now? Follow me, or if you know where it is just head there. Hehe.
Eddie002Fast: Eddie002Fast LOL.
Xenin: umm was it right or left?
MindsweepX: this way
Xenin: OMG how do did you know it was here Mind?
Xenin: i get lost in these constructs
Omega0: Some of us have been here many times.
Voltmeter: Ah, this brings back memories.
MindsweepX: been here to much maybe Xenin..
Eddie002Fast: lol
Xenin: i WAS JUST ASKING mIND
Xenin: damn caps lock
Eddie002Fast: everyone here
Harkee: I'm glad we could all make it!
Eddie002Fast: i almost got my Headgear :P
MindsweepX: Good to see so many Zions here today
Trepetia: Yeah, this is an impressive turnout. I can't say I didn't expect it, due to whats happend over the past few days.
MindsweepX: Are we ready to start?
Omega0: I am.
Nexus22805: yes
MindsweepX: Then let Harkee and Trepetia start the meeting.
Xenin: Indeed
Trepetia: Alright, the obvious thing to get out the way here first of all is; how do you all feel now that the truce is gone? What are your stances?
Voltmeter: I'd like to try and restore it if at all possible.
Othinn: ...
Geoiv: Yes, I agree.
CloudWolf: Something should be done. Attempts at communication with the machine.
Omega0: I thought that as long as we kept our recruitment within acceptable levels, the machines would have to abide by the Truce.
Nexus22805: To restore it would only be asking for this same outcome...
Omega0: And we still do that.
DrGero: I think it was for the best.
Xenin: I think it's a shame it's gone, but how could it keep going with the Cypherites being directly controlled by the Machines? they might as well declared war back then
POOLSHARK: yep
Asurik: I think its safe to say its all a little confuseing
Reikira: I for one am glad there were those in Zion that had the forethought to plan a new safe base for everyone.
CloudWolf: Damn right there Asurik
MindsweepX: I am asking myself, who did really break the Truce.
Voltmeter: The Machines may have taken advantage of us under the Truce, but at least they weren't hunting down and killing us - I'd prefer a cold war over a hot one anyday.
Reikira: But I'm confused as to why the machines view that as an act of war on our part
Iceman10: I agree Reikira, and I personally don't think it breaks the Truce
Geoiv: Good question Mindsweep
Xenin: The Machines with the Cypherites Mind
Coroebus: I see no change in my attitude. New Zion is a defensive action and hardly a Truce-breaker. The Machine response has been ridiculous.
Omega0: Also, I think the machines overwriting our operatives, especially Cryptos, is much worse than what we did.
Iceman10: Indeed
CloudWolf: Agreed, i fail to see how New Zion breaks the agreement
CloudWolf: Hence the need for communication.
Trepetia: I agree, The Architect has been pre-emptive in his decision to break the truce.
Iceman10: Who can we contact and reach out to?
Waffleore: With the truce broken, there will be more fear established in the city, we will have to live in agony, and run away from does darn agents.
MindsweepX: Indeed, but i don't think we can convince them to belive that..mhm. The machines and Cypths are allready at war against us..well most of the machines not all tho.
Voltmeter: It's comparable to the missile shields of the late 20th century - defensive in nature, but could be viewed as an act of war - preventing the other side from retaliating.
Xenin: I think they just worried that they no longe have control of us
CloudWolf: The Cypherites are a real threat thats to be sure.
MindsweepX: Agreed CloudWolf
Reikira: I agree Xenin.. now that they can't wipe us out at a moments notice..
Harkee: I agree. Once they saw they were losing their grip on us, they decided to call off the Truce.
CloudWolf: They plague the minds of the machines.
Trepetia: He's based his decision one what could happen. As I've said before, in the past humans have made mistakes and have been hostile towards Machine. However, we are descendants of those who made the mistakes in the past.
Asurik: I think cloudwolf is right we need to be able to talk about the problems we face before going headlong in to a blood bath
NinjaReborns: Hiya fellas
Trepetia: They seem to believe we will make the same mistakes.
Xenin: hi Ninja
Trepetia: When infact, they've given us little or no chance to prove we will not make the same mistake.
CloudWolf: Aye Trepetia, their own misconceptions is what has brought this upon us.
Voltmeter: But are we no less guilty than the machines? They used the cypherites, we used the General.
Iceman10: I agree Trepetia the architect has judged us prematurely
CloudWolf: No thanks to the Cypherites
Geoiv: They want to have complete power over us, and fear that they are losing that power.
Nevia: Sounds like humanity has a precedent for making bad decisions, from what I've seen in the Archives. We need the Zion top brass to open a dialogue with the machines; convince them that we have learnt our lessons
MindsweepX: But the other big questions for Zion is. Should we just grab our weapons and figth or should we try the diplomatic way?
Voltmeter: Why not both, Mindsweep?
Reikira: Both, Mind
Trepetia: I think the only guilt that both the Machine and Zion share is that we did not communicate correctly.
MindsweepX: I know what Stigmatism want..
Geoiv: Both
CloudWolf: Diplomacy is the only true way forward through this.
DrGero: Agreed Trepetia.
Eddie002Fast: TheArchitect should have called a meeting before taking action.
Trepetia: That is the only fault we share without ancestors.
CloudWolf: Of course we defend ourselves
Asurik: before we can say we have learned our lesson we must first make sure ourselfs that we have
CloudWolf: But taking up arms for an attack is foolishness
Xenin: Stigmatism, sounds about like an EPN no offence to him
Ml6: I agree to a diplomatic solution.
CloudWolf: Exactly Asurik
DrGero: All they did was to assume that we will return to our old steps of attacking the system.
Trepetia: Agreed, Cloudwolf.
Reikira: No.. taking up arms is being prepared..
Reikira: They have already struck first
CloudWolf: If we go full on into another conflict we'd just be proving The Architect right.
Geoiv: Agreed Reikira
Voltmeter: They say the best indicator of the future is the past. The Machine is using that to govern their actions.
Xenin: Yeah but the question is, will the Machines listen? so long as New Zion exists I don't see them negotiating with us
MindsweepX: So, in general we all agreed on, that diplomacy is the right the way?
MindsweepX: We defend ourself ofcourse..we have to.
CloudWolf: Self defence and diplomacy, yes.
Reikira: Yes, but we need to be prepared should that not work
Iceman10: of course
Geoiv: Absolutley
Omega0: I agree.
Trepetia: From what we've been told, Agent Pace and Agent Gray both show a...reluctancy to actually declare open war on us. I think there is some leverage we can gain.
XElite: The Architect is not the sole representative of all machine conscoiusness and thought.
Omega0: That's good to hear Trep.
CloudWolf: Well thats good to hear at least
Ml6: The Machines have more numbers, 3 for 1. We'll watch ourselves dieing, if we don't use our diplomatic abilties with them first in any instances.
Trepetia: They both seem to understand the complexity of the situation.
Iceman10: can the Oracle perhaps talk to them on our behalf?
Harkee: Obviously we won't roll over and let them attack us, but we do need to realize that fighting them isn't the best way to go.
CloudWolf: And it is complex, we mustve forget that.
Voltmeter: I agree - the Oracle is very much a neutral party.
Voltmeter: If anyone can help with this, she can.
CloudWolf: mustn't, sorry.
Trepetia: Yeah, exactly Harkee. Attacking blindly, is lunacy.
Xenin: Yeah she can be the go between
MindsweepX: In war anything can happent.
Iceman10: and understands the Architect too - it could be useful
Coroebus: I warn against too much preparation. Our actions have already been misconstrued. Let no further misunderstanding take place. I will invest totally in a diplomatic solution.
Reikira: I'd like to know exactly what it is about our having the ability for defense, freaks them out so much.. If we knew what exactly they had a problem with, we could have a chance at addresing it..
Geoiv: Good point Coroebus
Waffleore: This brings alot of confusion between our people.
Omega0: Yeah, I really think the Oracle needs to talk to the Architect.
Xenin: I got a question, what if the Merovingian tries to escalate the situation?
MindsweepX: Thats why we need to be sure what we do
Voltmeter: He already has, Xenin - he's decided to pit both sides to his own advantage
CloudWolf: Word from the Oracle would definately be useful
Iceman10: thats interesting Reikira, it would dfinitely help if we knew of their specific grievances
Coroebus: A good suggestion Xenin.
XElite: Don't let him?
CloudWolf: The Frenchman always escalates situations
CloudWolf: its too be expected.
Voltmeter: Perhaps that is what will end this? Suggest an alliance with the machines against the Frenchman and his ally, The General?
Xenin: he has Sentinals now, its going to be hard to distingusih between his and Machine forces
MindsweepX: Is there a chance to get Niobe or Ghost to our next meeting Trepetia or Harkee?
Trepetia: I don't know...we've been here before with the The General. You all remember what happend there...
MindsweepX: yeah.
Voltmeter: In a way, he'll be the winner if we go to war.
Voltmeter: That's what he always wanted.
CloudWolf: He's already won with the collapse of the truce
MindsweepX: Yep
DrGero: Doesnt the allience between the General and the Merovingian pose a bigger threat?
Omega0: The General must be very happy with the current situation.
CloudWolf: Unless we work towards fixing this.
Xenin: This may not be popular but. If negotiations fail, should we contact the Merovingian for additional forces? maybe tip the scales in the conflict if diplomacy fails?
Voltmeter: We can't trust him, Xenin.
Xenin: he trusts money
MindsweepX: No i think we need to talk to EPN first
Voltmeter: Besides, he has a grudge against the oracle and e pluribus neo - allies in this thing.
Xenin: Yeah them too
Ml6: indeed, the General likes sarcastic war games.
Iceman10: i don't think we would be able to trust him, Xenin
CloudWolf: The Merovingian is never an option when it comes to realiability
MindsweepX: Mervs..they try to killed the Oracle
Reikira: No.. even if an alliance such as that would benefit us in the short term.. it would cause nothing but grief in the long run
CloudWolf: He'd stab us in the back just as fast as he did The General
Xenin: They also open to business Mind, let the past go and focus on the present
Voltmeter: ... what about the unafiliated exiles? The gangs, the elements and spectrum?
Trepetia: The fact is The Frenchman and The General are both not to be trusted. They look for ways to manipulate and take advantage.
Iceman10: from what I understand of EPN's last meeting, they are very mixed towards Zion
CloudWolf: If there is any chance of alligiences it would be with other Neutral parties.
DrGero: Since war has been declared, we should consider an allience with the EPN forces.
Coroebus: WAit people! We are second guessing. Let us show our open hands before plotting for some furure conflict. We need no additional support. Zion should be open and honest. Only then can we expect others to be the same way to us.
Harkee: Those feelings go both ways, Iceman.
Waffleore: I agree with DrGero.
CloudWolf: Such as the Oracle or other begein Exiles.
XElite: I agree Coroebus.
Xenin: Maybe we should make an alliance with E Pluribus Neo then
MindsweepX: We did have a meeting with the EPN's early this week.
Voltmeter: I agree with Coroebus - let us try the olive branch while we still can.
Harkee: I agree. Now that neither of us are under the Truce, there is no need to distance ourselves from EPN.
MindsweepX: I am not sure of the outcome, other then we had a talk
Reikira: Personally I think we should start focusing on re-strengthing the ties with our EPN brothers and sisters. We're still basically all on the same side.
Iceman10: perhaps we could both put those feelings aside, in the meantime
Voltmeter: "brothers and sisters"? They betrayed us! They left us because they thought they knew better!
CloudWolf: I'm not sure involving EPN would help matters. Though i understand the sentiments.
Ml6: I disagree, Xenin. E Pluribus Neo could destroy our diplomatic tries of communation with the Machines.
DrGero: They went for their beliefs
Nevia: Some of you guys are talking about preparing for a war that needs to be won. I may be young and naive but I don't think that's a remote possibility
Reikira: They left to fight the cause we couldn't while being under the 'truce'
Coroebus: We wish to show our pacifist attitude by siding with EPN?!
Xenin: And can we at least do business with the Merv? The last war didn't even see us using xiles forces, what if that could be an additional asset, heck they know things about the system we don't
Trepetia: We need to remember, they also have something to gain.
Voltmeter: EPN turned their backs on over a century of experience for their own crusade.
NinjaReborns: We must be ready for war; I don't think the machines will be diplomatic.
Voltmeter: Diplomacy was what ended the war last time, Ninja.
NinjaReborns: I agree
Voltmeter: Neo asked them for peace. He got it, for awhile anyway.
Iceman10: I think we should prepare for war - but only once all other avenues have been exhausted
NinjaReborns: but, we have no control over their decissions
Voltmeter: Well said, Iceman.
CloudWolf: Neo died for that truce. That chance at peace.
Trepetia: While many of us have stated that we'd like the truce back, and using diplomacy no less. I don't think we'll see much attention paid to us by the machines, if we strengthen our ties with EPN.
DrGero: They have differences with us Voltmeter, but now our status is the same.
Nevia: When a machine dies, they build a new one. When a human dies ... what then? Their war machine is far superior already.
MindsweepX: We are ready Ninja..we need to find out how to get the Truce back or maybe something new..to help us out of this situation.
CloudWolf: Im just concerned that some see it as little more than buying time.
NinjaReborns: we're not ready, Mind
Voltmeter: I think we should contact EPN only after negotiations with the machines break down.
XElite: Control. The machines' lack of it over Zion seems to be what led to the Architect's decision.
CloudWolf: It was a real chance for a brighter future and some are far too hastey to throw that away
MindsweepX: We are as ready we can be.
Iceman10: interesting Trepetia. Perhaps if we open a dialogue with the Machines and see whee that leads? then approach EPN if things turn bad?
Reikira: Frankly I see no problem siding more with EPN, especially now that it's come out that the Machines are directly responsible for their own little terrorist group
Voltmeter: I like iceman's idea.
NinjaReborns: the only way we can be ready is...
Xenin: How about we make an alliance with EPN and Merv and knock the Mechs so far back that they will at last learn Humility, if diplomacy fails
NinjaReborns: multiply purselves
Iceman10: I believe you beat me to it, Voltmeter
NinjaReborns: ourselves*
Ml6: I think the Architect's plan always was to reboot the matrix and build up "New Zion" or?
MindsweepX: I got a contact with some from the Machine organisation who is willing to talk.
Voltmeter: Who?
MindsweepX: As i would said it here?
CloudWolf: Looks like some are getting a little too into the idea of failed diplomacy...
MindsweepX: say*
Voltmeter: Ah, right.
Waffleore: Either we befriend them, or not... but I dont like the idea as having them as a backup plan, because that shows that we dont trust them, and that we want personal gain only.
Xenin: No we aren't Cloud but we got prepare for the possiblity
Voltmeter: Well, I think we should try and approach the machinist redpills - they may help get things going with their leaders.
Iceman10: true it would seem that way - but I agree with Trepetia. Siding with EPN before may look too aggressive
MindsweepX: Who can stop this war?
CloudWolf: We'll deal with it when it comes, not presume it will and ready for aggression.
XElite: Even if the leaders declare war, the people can refuse to fight.
Reikira: There are a few Machinists I've talked to who are just as in shock about their suuperiors reaction to everything as we are
Eddie002Fast: By pass all middle men and have TheArchitect and TheOracle and TheMerovingian all sit down and work this out.
CloudWolf: The machinists are another vital part in this.
Ml6: So what if this war is just a trick to let us suiciding on the Machines again?
Voltmeter: A lot of the Machinists didn't seem to like this - and they hated the Cypherites to begin with.
Xenin: why the Merovingian? hes a git
DrGero: Nontheless, The machines will follow their leaders no matter what.
MindsweepX: We need to focus on who can help us stop this war and bring back the Truce.
XElite: Not all.
XElite: As we've seen.
Voltmeter: Forget the Merovingian, he has nothing to do with this.
Xenin: Try the Oracle Mind
CloudWolf: If anything we should be improving relations with them, not fanatics.
Voltmeter: Yes, she's our best hope for peace.
Voltmeter: She got us there once, she can do it again.
Omega0: I agree that the Oracle should talk to the Architect, but I don't see why Merv should be there.
CloudWolf: Here here, the oracle must be consulted.
Geoiv: Agreed Omega
XElite: The Oracle's "function" is to balance the equation - at any cost.
Voltmeter: That's the architect, Elite. Her's is to unbalance it.
Xenin: The Oracles function is to unbalance it actually X
Iceman10: I agree, the Oracle must be contacted; her guidance in this matter is essential
MindsweepX: Trepetia and Harkee, what does the Zion Council say?
NinjaReborns: Can I ask you something guys?
Xenin: but shes great anyway
Iceman10: sure Ninja
Voltmeter: Go for it, Ninja.
Harkee: I agree, the Oracle does need to be talked to.
NinjaReborns: plz, don't interrupt
NinjaReborns: I have a question
Coroebus: I would draw attention to the fact that our EJP are still in place. We still have the embers of the truce in our control. We must look to rekindle Peace not prepare for its demise....
CloudWolf: Agreed.
MindsweepX: sshh coroebus...
Xenin: I hope the Zion Council pushes for peace as we do
NinjaReborns: What do you think Neo would do if he was here?
CloudWolf: Hope is far from lost.
NinjaReborns: What do you think Neo would do if he was here?
Geoiv: That is a good question.
Voltmeter: Ninja died to get us peace... I think he'd still want that.
Xenin: Sue fo Peace
DrGero: But.... what if the machines refuse?
Voltmeter: *neo died
Iceman10: Interesting question....where to begin
Voltmeter: If they refuse, we fight. But we can't not try.
CloudWolf: Neo? I'm not sure, i never knew the man. But from what i've read, what i've seen, he died solely for the chance for peace.
Xenin: Neo? he would push for Peace i think
NinjaReborns: think more deeply
Coroebus: ANY actions in preparation for War will only support Machinist suspicions.
CloudWolf: By going headstrong into war we destroy everything The One worked for.
Geoiv: Good point Cloud
NinjaReborns: let me say my point, then you can answer plz
Asurik: we must remember that even in the darkest places hope can be found if only someone turns on the light
Iceman10: Neo gave us the Truce - peace, which gave us our freedom
NinjaReborns: plz
Nexus22805: WWND?
NinjaReborns: Ok...
NinjaReborns: Neo gave his live for peace...
Waffleore: Then a decree of peace to the machines, and explain our actions of building on our planet should be suffice?
Reikira: Ahh.. we are already engaged in a war. THe Machines have allready made the first blow.
Voltmeter: But we can stop future blows from occuring.
Reikira: We;d be foolish were we not to prepare for the continuation of it
NinjaReborns: but h had to fight for it...
Reikira: Can we?
Nevia: They've stopped you recruiting. Hardly a 'blow' in a military sense
POOLSHARK: Its always two on one an guess who the one is we need to take care of ourselves
Reikira: We can stop ourselves from retaliating.. we can't stop them from attacking if they are bent on i
Coroebus: Coroebus winces as NinjaReborns is interupted again.
mannyphrez: ty
Xenin: Reik our defences are good, we maybe ablt to continue war for awhile, if diplomacy fails
NinjaReborns: our mission "was" to keep the peace but...
CloudWolf: Noones disputng that Reikira. We're all prepared to defend our home if nessicary.
Reikira: Our defenses for new zion are in place..
mannyphrez: defense is the best offense
CloudWolf: Just not take up new agressions.
NinjaReborns: ok, I'll say no more
Reikira: Not all of the people are moved there safely yet.. not all of our hovercrafts are safely there..
Asurik: so you will have us look like we are going to fight please explane to me how we stand anymore of a chance agenst the machines that we did years ago what has chaged really hmm ?
Geoiv: Ninja has a point, we should listen.
Reikira: The machines can still do a lot of damage.. something we need to prepare for
CloudWolf: We dont Asurik.
Coroebus: Coroebus smells "EPN" in some of the war-mongering here.
Omega0: We have a new home, that's what has changed.
CloudWolf: We have no chance to fight their armies, merely defend our home.
Iceman10: I would like to know if t he Council believes New Zion to be defended sufficiently
Omega0: And our new home is much safer than the old one.
Iceman10: if there is little chance of the massacre that occurred last time
Waffleore: What is your opinion our fellow Liaisons?
CloudWolf: And thats all we need while we figure out some way for peace.
Iceman10: definitely Cloud
NinjaReborns: HELLO? i HAVE AN IDEA THAT COULD SAVE THE TRUCE!!!!!
MindsweepX: yep i think we all agreed to that.
Xenin: Look everyone are we all agreed that we should try diplomacy first and get the Oracle to help us? Yes or no?
Geoiv: The Machines fear they are losing their grip on Zion.
MindsweepX: O.o
XElite: Go for it, Ninja.
Asurik: exsactly we stand no chance of makeing an offencive movement one we leave our safty then we are lambs to the slughter please do not lie to yourselfs and think we can make any kind of stance vs them
CloudWolf: You also seem to your cap locks key stuck
Xenin: Look everyone are we all agreed that we should try diplomacy first and get the Oracle to help us? Yes or no?
Voltmeter: Yes, Xenin.
CloudWolf: Yes
Geoiv: Guys, lets let Ninja speak. What if he has a good idea that could potentially help us?
Nevia: Yes, absolutely
Harkee: Our best hope is a good defence, which is what New Zion has given us.
TwistedJustice: yes.
Iceman10: Yes, Xenin
MindsweepX: mmhmm.
Asurik: maybe
NinjaReborns: this will sound crazy, but Morpheus would have thought about it too
MindsweepX: O.O
Nexus22805: yes
Voltmeter: Morpheus was a renegade, just like Pluribus Neo. He endangered us all for his own needs.
NinjaReborns: I say we send a message to the machines, but not with aggression...
Xenin: Morpheus was quite a idealist, ait crazy, but a great man
Asurik: hhas no relivance here he is dead and will reamin that way for a lonf time
Voltmeter: He was a good man, but his sense of duty was lacking in his last days.
MindsweepX: They see Morph as a terrorist.
Nevia: Nevia sighs.
Xenin: Well I think hes a hero to an extent
Voltmeter: And he was, wasn't he? The codebombs, the propaganda...,
DrGero: Morpheus was a good leader. He did not deserve death. But, he would of wanted what Neo wanted. Peace.
Coroebus: Too much is said in the name of Morpheus...... I prefer we speak for ourselves.
Voltmeter: He meant well, but his methods were... inappropriate.
NinjaReborns: "we need to become one"
Iceman10: here here Coroebus
Voltmeter: Interesting, Ninja. What do you mean?
CloudWolf: We shouldnt have our minds wonder to the shell of a man that was that Morpheus, it does his memory no honour.
Waffleore: He only did what he did because the machines did not want to give back the remains of Neo.
NinjaReborns: we ....are... the one(united)
Asurik: how is this relivant to our currant problem ?
MindsweepX: ?
Voltmeter: So let's unite then. Agree on something and do it.
Xenin: thought we had
Asurik: the lines are not that clear cut
Coroebus: Coroebus definately smells "EPN" from NinjaReborns.
CloudWolf: I don;t quite understand where this is going...
NinjaReborns: We sould make a faction with the name: "Truce Keepers" to send the message to the machines.
Asurik: agree with cloud
mannyphrez: ditto
Omega0: Interesting idea.
NinjaReborns: I mean, a massive faction
Voltmeter: ... that's a bit silly, Ninja. I'd prefer a literal message - let them know what we want.
Ml6: Who is for a peaceful solution now while getting more informations about the "real" reasons of this war? Who is for totally war till death?
MindsweepX: You merge all zion factions?
NinjaReborns: all of the zionite factions should agree
MindsweepX: That created the EPN..hm
MindsweepX: last time.
Xenin: Uh you nuts? not everyone will agree
Voltmeter: I disagree, Ninja. Total conformity is something the Machines would do.
Asurik: i for one dissagree with that
NinjaReborns: but those that think about the truce will
Pyroclasam: We should consider working even closer with EPN
CloudWolf: I think we can send a clear message of our commitment to peace without having to screw with our self organisation.
Nexus22805: Our message should be sent with truth and diplomacy not our faction name
Nevia: This isn't the time for placards and marches in the streets. What's wrong with the leaders of Zion simply opening up diplomatic channels with the leaders of the machines? Or is that just far too simple for everybody to agree with
Pyroclasam: Lets face it, we're all in the same boat now
Iceman10: I agree with Nevia
Voltmeter: Nevia hit the hammer on the head
Omega0: I agree.
Geoiv: Agreed with Nevia
MindsweepX: I think we all have been in the same boat for a long as i remember..
CloudWolf: EPN would only further complicate the political enviroment.
Geoiv: Agreed cloud
mannyphrez: for once, when are we gonna stand up against this madness????????
Voltmeter: Why, Manny? What would that get us?
Pyroclasam: Newsflash the machines ended the truce based on suspcion. They used New Zion as a scape goat
Voltmeter: Besides death.
Asurik: agree to aggresive a solution epn would have us go guns blazeing
Xenin: Ok Diplomacy first with Oracle helping, sounds good to me
mannyphrez: so we just bow down to them all the time?
CloudWolf: An official alliegence isn't the best idea right now.
Voltmeter: We're already under orders from Command, that's enough.
Nevia: Hopefully anybody that values their lives and humanity will come around to a common way of thinking - that cooperation is the only thing between us and extinction
mannyphrez: they have the advantage all the time... when is enough gonna be enough?
CloudWolf: They can help us defend ourselves as much as they want but in no way can they be officially linked or condoned
Voltmeter: Because they have the advantage all the time, manny. It's damn near impossible to achieve victory.
Xenin: Um If we are going for diplomacy, we need to convince them that we need to keep New Zion
XElite: Between humans Nevia?
Nexus22805: NARF
CloudWolf: Of course Xen. Noone here wants to give up New Zion.
CloudWolf: We want to make them understand it is all.
MindsweepX: We all fight for the same here.
Iceman10: New Zion was a brilliant move
mannyphrez: ok so we just stay underneath the feet then........ always second best
Nevia: I mean EPN, etc. If Zion just avoid the question of them, go straight to the machines and work out hte problems, then EPN would be mad to interfere.
Nevia: *the
mannyphrez: to the machines
Waffleore: Then the meeting has concluded, We have a decision on our actions, correct?
Asurik: yes cause what are you going to do to become no 1 hmmm walk into the machine city and pull the plug hmm ?
mannyphrez: defend what is ours
Nevia: This isn't a question of who's better than who.
Trepetia: It has its good points and bad. The problem was, there was no communication with the council and it's operatives and between the council and the Machines.
Asurik: we can only defend attacking is out of the question
Voltmeter: I think that's what caused this - lack of communication on both sides.
Voltmeter: All the time, we're sneaking up on each other, trying to one up... did anyone ever actually belive the other side really wanted peace.
Nevia: The very fact that the machines have a billion or so human beings in pods indicates that they are the superior beings on this planet. Doesn't mean we can't create a new world with them
Voltmeter: I wouldn't go so far as to call them "superior beings", but they do have the edge militarily.
MindsweepX: Maybe we should try to sum up on what we are talking about now.
mannyphrez: when all of US here, team up together as ONE, then we will have a chance
Voltmeter: You all heard what they did to the General's base - what they almost did to Zion last time around. Could we beat them now? We couldn't last time.
CloudWolf: Trepetia speaks the truth. The decision to keep New Zion a secret was... illconceaved.
SkuII: Whoa
Nevia: And intellectually. They may think too logically at times, but I think their version of the artificial brain went far beyond what we have a long time ago
SkuII: Can't see!!!
CloudWolf: The fact hardly any of us were informed is testiment to that.
Asurik: agree
Voltmeter: Yeah... I don't like the Council keeping us out of the loop like that.
Voltmeter: We put our lives on the line for them... the least they could do was tell us.
Asurik: after all we are the ones risking our necks
Reikira: As much of a shock New Zion came to me, I can understand why it was decided to keep it quiet
Xenin: I think it was for the best and disagree with you
Omega0: I think they were concerned about Cyph spies.
CloudWolf: Heck, if we'd known maybe we could have advised that this might have happened.
CloudWolf: We might not be in this position now.
Asurik: agree
Voltmeter: "For your own good" is a very Machine-sounding policy.
Iceman10: I believe they had valid reasons for keeping it from us. I would like to know how the Cyphs found out
Xenin: Damn Cypherite spies crawl all over the place like rats
CloudWolf: Thats another thing, The Cypherites.
CloudWolf: The Machines should never have continued relations with them.
Asurik: they will take advantage of this of that u can be sure
Trepetia: We will be focussing on weeding out Cypherite spies. Those rats have caused us a lot of trouble.
CloudWolf: Whos fault that is i can not say, and do not wish to discuss, it is irrelevent.
CloudWolf: What is clear is there are a menace to peace through and through
Coroebus: The Council have security proceedures and I applaud them for that. Let us be thankful for this activity for a body previously considered dormant.
Pyroclasam: The Cypherites need to be dealt with the same way they dealw ith us
Xenin: Indeed, I think we should get the Machines to sever ties with the Cypherites, all ties.
CloudWolf: They and the Merovingian are our true enemeis here, never forget that.
Asurik: and as such if a war is to go ahead let it be on those who rightfully deserve it
Voltmeter: I think we may be biting off more than we can chew with that, Xenin. Let's get the truce back first. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than all out war.
CloudWolf: Our crosshairs should remain on them, never the machines.
Ml6: This discussion is becoming the way of an E Pluribus Neo meeting now?
Reikira: They created the cypherites to carry out the actions they couldn't do officially because of the truce. The cyphs are too convenient for them to sever ties with
Xenin: true Volt, buts its just a recomendation not a demand
Coroebus: Good points are being raised here. We must simply focus and prioritise.
Pyroclasam: The Cypherites themselves were a violation of the truce
MindsweepX: yeah
Asurik: then i vote e focus on the obliteration of the cypharight movemnt
XElite: It's good to see that we can share our opinions openly.
Voltmeter: No, we're getting off the real problem
Xenin: Look if Zion can survive without EPN then Mechs can survibve with those maksed freaks
Omega0: If they had never over-written Cryptos, the Cyphs wouldn't exist.
Iceman10: Perhaps pursue Peace with the machines, but weed out any Cyoherite spies and also be hostile towards all Cyphs?
Voltmeter: Our main priority is getting the truce back.
CloudWolf: Theres no doubt The Cypherites are a problem that must be dealt with.
Reikira: It's not just the cypherits though.. don't get caught up in focusing on solely one group.. that would be folly
Xenin: yeah Mervs and possible Mech spies too
Voltmeter: We can take out the cypherites after that - they weren't under the truce, we had the right to do that.
CloudWolf: And we must highlight this in any negoiations, their involvement with The Machines is strong leverage.
Asurik: we can not expend out forses to fight a 100 little wars let us deal with 1 problem at a time and at the moment that main problem is th chyp'd
CloudWolf: As is the threat of The Merovingian
CloudWolf: how long have we fought his menace to the simulation? The very same simulation the machines fight to protect
SkuII: Can we kill the merv?
SkuII: Skull wants to do it.
Omega0: That's aiming pretty high.
Voltmeter: And the General, too, more recently. And we helped with Anome, and the Sleepwalkers.
SkuII: Not really.
Iceman10: If only. somehow I think it would be extremely difficult, if not near impossible
CloudWolf: We've been nothing but a value to this place in that regard.
Asurik: then i say let skull go and try while the grown up talk bout htings
Harkee: I don't see why not. He's been a thorn in our side for a while.
CloudWolf: Exactly the same with The General.
Voltmeter: We helped the Machines save their system on a few occasions - we can use that as leverage.
Pyroclasam: The truce was a measure of control Cloud. They used it to keep us under their thumb and keep their simulation running smoothly
Nevia: Maybe the machines think it's better to have him there than have every exiled programme run rampant
CloudWolf: we must highlight our commitment to defending this place from malicious entities.
CloudWolf: Just as The Machines do.
Pyroclasam: Remember how those events went down? we never really worked WITH them
mannyphrez: i'm outta here.... this is lame
Pyroclasam: They had their efforts
Pyroclasam: we had ours
Reikira: Agreed, Cloud
CloudWolf: They fear our intent upon the system, so we show them their fears are misplaced.
XElite: The machines substitue cooperation for complete control.
Asurik: agree cloud
Voltmeter: But it was better than open war, Pyro. The truce wasn't perfect -far from it. But we were better off then then we are now.
XElite: Neither side needs to control the other.
Coroebus: I wonder whether The Machines have another motive to this suspension of The Pact. Might they use it to focus on their own goals? Might it be that Zion is not the actual target for them?
Asurik: what other reason could they have ?
Iceman10: what do you suggest is their actual target?
Reikira: I doubt the machines would break the truce simply as a cover for another agenda..
CloudWolf: They fear as i feared, that Zion was using New Zion as nothing more than a staging house for new conflict.
CloudWolf: This meeting today has eased my mind.
SkuII: The general is the machines real target... This "war" is just to draw him out.
Xenin: nonsense
Geoiv: Could it be that the truse was broken not because of us, but because something finally fell into place for the Machines?
Xenin: New Zion is defensive
Asurik: yes and he dead
CloudWolf: Exactly what we must convince them of Xenin.
Asurik: or as good as
Voltmeter: The General is more or less neutralized - he's under the Merovingian's control now.
Reikira: Oh come on.. Zion was irrepably compromised during the dock battle.. I mean hell, there are still a few huge gaping holes that lead strait from the docks to the surface..
Reikira: How could they not expect us to make another home
Voltmeter: The way I see it..
Voltmeter: They're worried we're going to go about destroying their system, and they wouldn't be able to retaliate.
CloudWolf: Aye.
Voltmeter: An incorrect assesement, but a valid one from their perspective.
XElite: Hence open communication.
Asurik: and that is y we need to show them other wize
Voltmeter: After all, previous "Zions" tried, did they not? The original cities.
XElite: We have to let them know that was not Zion's intent.
Trepetia: It is clear, to most if not all here that this is all down to a lapse in communication. We've been able to understand everyones perspectives on this, the machines and our own, even if we do not agree with said stances.
Iceman10: Indeed XElite
MindsweepX: And the Oracle is the right person to do that.
Harkee: It seems like they assumed we would start attacking their systems. But I think we all know what happens when we assume...
CloudWolf: Wise words are being spoken, take heed.
Reikira: Please, it's not like we made a giant EMP gun and pointed it at 01.. those we did install were around the base for defense. I don't see how they see that as a threat
Voltmeter: Reikira, think about it.
Voltmeter: We would be able to take them out with virtual nukes like Cryptos once suggested. They couldn't do the same to us.
Iceman10: how can we improve communication between us and the Council and the Council and the machines?
Geoiv: What if they were just looking for the slightest thing to break the truce? Maybe they've been just waiting for the right time to do this.
Voltmeter: Mutually assured destruction was nessecary for peace.
CloudWolf: Perhaps if it were not for the secrecy they might have understood the correct intent
Asurik: the orical is simply a guild that points us on a road of choise how we move from there is up to us she will not fight our wars.
Pyroclasam: There was no mutually assured destruction
Pyroclasam: All there was, was OUR destruction
Voltmeter: Of course there was, Pyro.
Nexus22805: to many whats if's...remember what is
Xenin: yes Cloud but we must make up for it
XElite: I think the way the Machines see it is: The Sentinels outside Zion made sure we were under Machine control. The building of New Zion is a means to escape that control and why else would we want to escape it but to cause harm to them?
Voltmeter: We could have killed every last bluepill and ended the machines then and there.
Geoiv: True,
Pyroclasam: The cloud of Sentinels over our head, our compromised defence, Cypherite spies, that was US. We have no way of ending the machine nation
Iceman10: would the Council be willing to communicate through the ZIC?
Asurik: escape how could we escape we are rats in a hole they do not fear us
Voltmeter: Aren't you listening to a word I said, Pyro?
CloudWolf: Exactly, they disconstrude our intention. Something both sides are to blame for. The job before us now is convincing them of our true goal in New Zion.
Trepetia: We'll be getting to that in a moment, Iceman. We have news on that front.
Voltmeter: We take out the blues, the machines go with them. It's something we couldn't do, morally speaking... but we were capable of it.
Pyroclasam: Do you really think we would EVER take out all the blues
Asurik: there is no need for them to asume contols they now even without the sentinal they have it
Pyroclasam: They know we won't
Iceman10: Thank you, Trepetia
Voltmeter: They don't know right and wrong, pyro - human concepts. They only understand military capabliity
CloudWolf: I think we'd all like to hear ant updates...
Geoiv: Killing all bluepills would end all of this, but at teh same time ruin all that we're fighting for.
Voltmeter: And Cryptos almost did it.
Pyroclasam: no
Voltmeter: That's why they chose him as cypherite leader, I think
Pyroclasam: Cryptos SUGGESTED it
Pyroclasam: There is a difference between forming a plan and executing it
Voltmeter: It was on the table. That's all the Machines needed.
Asurik: cryptos was a fool and will be dealt with
Voltmeter: Zion could wipe them out, they could wipe us out. It would be horrible either way - but it could be done.
CloudWolf: This bickering back and forth is getting us nowhere.
Voltmeter: That isn't the point, Asurik.
Xenin: I agree with Cloud
CloudWolf: We need to summerise our points here.
Voltmeter: Now we have the edge, from their viewpoint.
Geoiv: Yes Cloud, you are correct.
Voltmeter: It's wrong, but that's how they see it.
CloudWolf: First, we have decided on diplomacy and defence yes?
Asurik: so then y are we talking about him he has no relivance in this convodation
CloudWolf: While awaiting word and possible guidence from the oracle.
Asurik: yes
Voltmeter: Not the man, but what he suggested.
Harkee: Yes, CloudWolf.
Pyroclasam: You know what it took to get them to agree to peace last time, what makes you think they will agree now?
CloudWolf: Next, have we decided on key points to our negoiations
MindsweepX: mhm
CloudWolf: Our past defences of the system
Voltmeter: What did it take, Pyro. Neo asked. Did Zion ever try diplomacy before that?
Xenin: Dont give up New Zion?
Iceman10: I agree Cloud
CloudWolf: our commitment to dealing with future threats
CloudWolf: as well as the continuing threat of the frenchmand
Asurik: Yes clould
Asurik: cloud*
Voltmeter: So then... we seek out the oracle, ask her guidance. Try dimplomacy. If that doesn't work, we fight this thing. Correct?
CloudWolf: we can also use their involvement with the masked as leverage.
Trepetia: We need to make them aware of the fact that we do NOT intend on waging a war against them. Nor did we ever intend on making an assault against the Machines.
Voltmeter: Exactly, Trepetia.
Trepetia: Building New Zion protects us.
Asurik: u still do not see what can we fight ?
CloudWolf: And thats the last point, Trepetia. Thank you
Iceman10: definitely. How can we contact the Oracle?
CloudWolf: its key we make them realise our true intent in New Zion
Voltmeter: We could fight, ASurik. But we could not win.
CloudWolf: absolutely key.
Asurik: dimplomacy is not a choice it is our only hope
Reikira: We need to find out what exactly their grievences with New Zion, so we can actually address them
CloudWolf: I believe he meant cant
Pyroclasam: I think you underestimate us Asurik
Trepetia: Precisely, Reikira.
Asurik: woops soz ya cant*
CloudWolf: I think we understands perfect Pyro. We stand no chance of a head on conflict.
Asurik: oh no i dont but if u so insit i will see u rise just to fall
CloudWolf: We'd be fools to think otherwise.
Voltmeter: We almost lost last time. We fight an enemy with greater strength, greater numbers, and absolute resolve. I see no victory, only stalemate, if we're on our toes.
DrGero: Lets conclude this meeting then?
Pyroclasam: I never said head on fight
Asurik: this is no more a war than it is a slughter
CloudWolf: Aye, Rei brings up another key point in relation to trepetia's
DrGero: Things dont look so great outside for me.
Reikira: This hasn't become a slaughter Asurik.. but it very well could if we don't handle things the right way
CloudWolf: Might i just say now how relieved i am to see the commitment towards peace in this time of confusion.
Voltmeter: Yes... you guys for the most part are more level-headed than I had expected. You've impresed me.
CloudWolf: Here here!
Asurik: agree we must tread very carfully and if people like pyro carry on there path it will be
Voltmeter: And that is why we can still end this peacefully - the Machines think we're mindless barbarieans. For the most part, we aren't.
CloudWolf: Now now, this is no time for in-fighting
SkuII: The thing is people we should have never made a new zion if we truely wanted peace. Wanting to protect ourselves from the machines only shows them that they have to worry about what we may do and that is just how a machine thinks.
Voltmeter: Exactly, Skull.
SkuII: If you want protection in a time of peace you are thinking about war.
Pyroclasam: Asurik, I'm banking on Squiddy ending this truce because he has his own reasons for it. His reasons for ending it were far fetched at best
Pyroclasam: And they fired the first shot a long long time ago
Pyroclasam: Try diplomacy
Pyroclasam: If it works then great
CloudWolf: I think if we can pull through this, what i believe, together, we can.
Pyroclasam: But I would bet every last dollar that it won't
Harkee: Building New Zion doesn't mean we don't want peace. It was just a safety net in case peace never came.
CloudWolf: Then we could come back with a stronger truce than we did before.
Iceman10: we
Iceman10: shall see^
Reikira: But we still need to prepare for the diplomatic approach failing.
Asurik: and just what are u going to do to stop it then lets hear the mater plan for zion brining down the entire machine cisty then ?
Voltmeter: Then perhaps we can restore peace if we can get the machines their own net?
SkuII: I still say this new zion was a dumb idea....
Trepetia: No, the dumb thing was not discussing its development.
Harkee: I believe they already have their net. It's their gigantic sentinel army. But that's not the point of this meeting...
Reikira: If all it took was this for the machines to break the truce.. I'm glad we actually have a defensible home again
Pyroclasam: The machines HAVE a net
Pyroclasam: They are called agents
Pyroclasam: They are called Sentinels
XElite: Pods.
Voltmeter: We have ejp and new zion, pyro. They're far less effective now.
CloudWolf: Again we're getting nowhere. If the liasions could please move us on to any news on the ZIC...
Asurik: And u are going to kill all of then than ha u are more deluded that most
Pyroclasam: And the fact no human ship besides Neo has been near THEIR city in hundreds of years prooves that it is a DAMNED effective net
Iceman10: definitely - communication between the COuncil and all of us must be improved. Will they use the ZIC to do this?
Voltmeter: This ZIC... i'm a bit out of the loop. This is a proposed network by the Liasons, correct?
CloudWolf: Asurik, Pyro. Cool it. Now is not the time. Liasions?
MindsweepX: Let them talk.
XElite: It is better that we discuss our opinions...
Asurik: Meh as u command
Harkee: Yes, we do have news on the ZIC front.
Trepetia: It's Mindsweeps secure forum for communication between Zion factions. Previously the council hadn't allowed us access to the ZIC.
Trepetia: However, in light of recent events, security is paramount.
Trepetia: So, they have revised their decision and have allowed us access.
CloudWolf: Good to hear.
Iceman10: That is good news, I believe.
Asurik: good
Iceman10: will you be communicating to us messages from the Council through the ZIC then
MindsweepX: I think its great that we now have one place where Zions can communicate. Any suggestions or idea are welcome ofcourse.
Harkee: Yes, we can deliever news to and from the Council through there.
MindsweepX: And it's not my forum, it's ours.
CloudWolf: Our thanks should go to Mindsweep for the set-up of course.
MindsweepX: Thank you :-)
DrGero: This is pointless now, We can up with an idea, lets stop this mindless discussion now.
Voltmeter: Thank you for that - communication will be parmaount in the coming days.
CloudWolf: No problem ;-)
Iceman10: We owe you our thanks Mindsweep. and thank you Harkee and Trepetia for talking to the Council
Coroebus: Excellent. However, this does mean that security on the ZIC will need to be increased. Mindsweep? Registrant only access?
Harkee: Yes, thank you Mindsweep for setting up the ZIC.
CloudWolf: Indeed. Our liasions have been invaluable in communications with the higher ups.
MindsweepX: The liaison will get what they ask for.
Coroebus: Understood.
MindsweepX: As for security, we will increase that
CloudWolf: Let us hope they can communicate our collective feelings that were expressed here today equally as well.
Asurik: agree they have been most helpful in easeing more than 1 trobled mind this night
Nexus22805: f/fc welcome Noods
Voltmeter: Indeed. Thank you for making yourselves available to us, Trepetia and Harkee. I appreicate it.
CloudWolf: tells noods i say hi too ;)
Asurik: (( all welcome noods))
MindsweepX: Any information about the ZIC can be asked to me, fancore, Corobus and more...soon.
MindsweepX: I will make Harkee, Trep and Stig Mod's.
CloudWolf: Remember people, secuirty is paramount. This is NOT to be known outside of Zion
CloudWolf: That includes EPN i take it?
Trepetia: Yes.
Asurik: then this whle problem is saveable in whole one the odd warmonger sorts themselfs out
MindsweepX: True Cloud.
Voltmeter: Let them figure out their own network - they left Zion for their own cause. We don't owe them anythimg.
Voltmeter: Voltmeter meant anything.
CloudWolf: Aye.
Asurik: agree
Reikira: Asurik there has been no war mongering that I've herard.. only the realistic need to be prepared for everything
MindsweepX: I don't everybody so if you think a "outside" sneaked into the forum let me know
MindsweepX: Also i need more Mod's to control the forum..anyone up for that?
Asurik: then maybe our ears are slightly diffrantly ajusted but as allways i stand on your command my lady
CloudWolf: *leans across and whispers* I said cool it man.
Reikira: Reikira nods.
SkuII: whoa
MindsweepX: Any need the location of where ZIC is, please mail me
Voltmeter: I can help moderate, Mindsweep.
MindsweepX: Good i talk to you after here then
Voltmeter: Thankyou.
Trepetia: Perhaps if a leader, or representative of each faction helped moderate?
Voltmeter: That would be better, actually. Twisted, you up for that?
Asurik: Well my attection is drawn elsewhere so if u excuse me trep and hekee i thank you both once again till we meet again
MindsweepX: Mm..whatever works best for Zion
Asurik: *bows*
CloudWolf: I'll see you back on the HvCFT
Asurik: yes sir u will
MindsweepX: So are we finish here?
CloudWolf: Actually, i too should probably be going.
DrGero: Trepetia, Im sorry. But I have to go.
CloudWolf: Shall we conclude?
Waffleore: As well as myself.
MindsweepX: Yeah.
CloudWolf: Alright, we have our main points in mind
Omega0: I have a question.
DrGero: Nice meeting you guys.
CloudWolf: let us not forget them.
Trepetia: Take care, DrGero.
Harkee: Yes, I believe this meeting has served its purpose.
Omega0: Is there anyone left in the original Zion, and is it still safe?
CloudWolf: Perhaps a summary of discussion points could be made available on the ZIC?
MindsweepX: I will make sure of that Cloud
CloudWolf: I believe the subject of Original Zion is beign looked into Omega.
Voltmeter: Mindsweep, correction - I belive TwistedJustice would be the better candidate for the moderator poisitoin - he is our leader, after all. I'm just a little... too enthusiastic.
Geoiv: Ok, that was strange.
CloudWolf: Thanks again to our liasions.
TwistedJustice: If that is ok mindsweep.
MindsweepX: Sure it is, just mail me so i can keep a track on who
TwistedJustice: Ok thankyou.
XElite: See ya Coroebus.
MindsweepX: Ok i guess this is it. A good meeting overall i think.
Coroebus: Goodbye All.
Geoiv: Definitley a good meeting
Harkee: I think so too.
Trepetia: Take care, everyone. I look forward to discussing everything via the ZIC and communicating further with everyone.
Harkee: It's time for us to go.
MindsweepX: Okay, sounds good.
XElite: Bye everyone.
Reikira: A productive meeting, it'l be interesting to see what comes of everything. But on that note, I need to be off as well.
Trepetia: Yeah back to the Logos to review everything that's been discussed.
Geoiv: I better be going too. Goodbye.
Voltmeter: It was a pleasure meeting with you all.
TwistedJustice: Goodbye.
Geoiv: Nice to meet all of you
Omega0: Bye all, thanks for the meeting.
Harkee: It was nice meeting you, too.
Reikira: Take care, everyone
MindsweepX: Goodbye everyone.
Trepetia: Take care.
MindsweepX: one sec...
Voltmeter: We'll speak once we're out of the construct.